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dullard

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If inflation runs like it has been running since then, the CPI values on July 12 will show inflation in the lower 2% range...

That is a long-winded way of saying that I think the fed will have a hard time increasing more than 2 times after they have already met their inflation goal.
Shelter prices (especially rent) made my prediction off. Inflation for the CPI-U (urban consumers) came in at 2.97% instead of the lower 2% range. But I think I still stand by the rest of that post. I don't see this as a sign the fed will raise rates by more than 2 times. Especially when CPI-W (wage earners and clerical workers) is at 2.34%.
 
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jpiniero

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Shelter prices (especially rent) made my prediction off. Inflation for the CPI-U (urban consumers) came in at 2.97% instead of the lower 2% range. But I think I still stand by the rest of that post. I don't see this as a sign the fed will raise rates by more than 2 times. Especially when CPI-W (wage earners and clerical workers) is at 2.34%.

Core CPI is still very high. The rate odds do suggest only one more hike... but as long as unemployment remains low, the Fed will have plenty of juice to go higher if they want.
 
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My costs are mostly stable. House and both cars are owned outright. Food is stable, maybe even down some for the things I buy.

It's the weird things that are up like birdseed. I still buy some for them, but not as much. I'll have to see what happens by Fall. I was going through over 100 pounds and a couple of dozen suet cakes not too many winters ago. I had to cut back last winter.
 

jpiniero

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Perhaps the real question is... once it gets to 5-6 months of no cuts, will Wall Street get mad. Or are they too addicted to AI hype to care?
 

dullard

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Core CPI is still very high. The rate odds do suggest only one more hike... but as long as unemployment remains low, the Fed will have plenty of juice to go higher if they want.
Yes, core CPI will likely be in the mid 4% range until winter. But, PPI was just released today and had 0.1% inflation. 0.1% for the entire 12 month period. The fed has room to go higher if they want, but I just can't see them doing so. Their mandate is to try to obtain both low inflation and low unemployment. They aren't supposed to trade unemployment for inflation or vise versa. Unless something changes, we seem to be on the right path and I don't think the fed wants to mess that up. One more rate hike does seem like the most likely scenario to me.
 
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dullard

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Should I buy at 52 week high? Hmmm....
The correct answer is yes. You should always buy. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. With CD rates at 5% and higher, I just went with that. If you are okay with callable CDs (ones that might be paid out early by the bank's decision) they go up to 5.6% at Vanguard. Sure, it won't bring the theoretical 7% to 8% stock market average, but I'm happy with guaranteed 5+% until the stock market settles down.

I should figure out the ins and outs of US Government Agencies. They are 6%.
 

repoman0

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The correct answer is yes. You should always buy. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. With CD rates at 5% and higher, I just went with that. If you are okay with callable CDs (ones that might be paid out early by the bank's decision) they go up to 5.6% at Vanguard. Sure, it won't bring the theoretical 7% to 8% stock market average, but I'm happy with guaranteed 5+% until the stock market settles down.

I should figure out the ins and outs of US Government Agencies. They are 6%.
Do callable CDs keep their original term length if the rate goes down? Or are they returned to the investor in cash?

Non-callable 2 year CDs pay a slight premium right now compared to treasury notes, but at least here in MA it’s a wash since the latter is exempt from 5% income tax. 1 year and lower term rates are higher straight from the treasury it seems
 

dullard

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Do callable CDs keep their original term length if the rate goes down? Or are they returned to the investor in cash?
Nothing has to happen. But if rates go down, then the bank will likely call it since they could issue a new CD with a lower rate to someone else. They will close the account and change the term length to the called date. They then pay you the principal + interest that you had earned so far. No future interest will accrue.

It is a risk of (A) higher profits vs (B) trading the known term length for a potentially shorter term length that is out of your control.
 
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AdamK47

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The correct answer is yes. You should always buy. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. With CD rates at 5% and higher, I just went with that. If you are okay with callable CDs (ones that might be paid out early by the bank's decision) they go up to 5.6% at Vanguard. Sure, it won't bring the theoretical 7% to 8% stock market average, but I'm happy with guaranteed 5+% until the stock market settles down.

I should figure out the ins and outs of US Government Agencies. They are 6%.
I'm up 16% total on all my stock buys dating back to March of last year. Averaged. Of course, everything else in my account is also up similarly.

Worked well for me.
 

JTsyo

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Looks like I bailed on vNidia too soon but that P/E was looking kind of heavy.
 

AdamK47

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Looks like I bailed on vNidia too soon but that P/E was looking kind of heavy.
We've had AAPL for smartphones, TSLA for electric cars, and now NVDA is the defacto AI stock. P/E doesn't matter when the full force of industry hype is centered on it.
 

jpiniero

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and now NVDA is the defacto AI stock. P/E doesn't matter when the full force of industry hype is centered on it.

About that.. there's been plenty of speculation that the temporary stay that nVidia got to continue selling in China is going to end soon. Hasn't happened yet though.
 

dullard

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That isn't saying much given 52 weeks ago. Things are still below where they were, but getting closer to normal.
Given that people with economic clout have been screaming that the sky is falling for just over 52 weeks, I wouldn't call any of the last year of stock movements "normal". They've been as manipulated as they could be. Well, even more than normal.

Here is just one example of this:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...oft-landing-wells-fargo-ceo-warns-2022-06-01/
https://fortune.com/2022/08/16/jp-m...mething-worse-than-recession-could-be-coming/

Of course, the same people don't like the current president, so it isn't surprising that they started predicting a recession right in the last election season.
 
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repoman0

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I should figure out the ins and outs of US Government Agencies. They are 6%.
I came across these on Fidelity today .. pretty straightforward to buy on the secondary market. What is the catch here? There are recently issued 10 year 6.3% federal farm bank bonds (callable) for sale for roughly face value.
 
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