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JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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It's funny how much Intel popped on just saying they were looking into options to increase value. Guess people were just waiting for a reason.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
2,220
126
It's funny how much Intel popped on just saying they were looking into options to increase value. Guess people were just waiting for a reason.
If Pat is still there don't expect much. It would have been heresy to say this a long time ago, but they need to dump Pat and merge with another chip maker.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
2,220
126
I've got some bad news for you, Sunshine.....*

Kamala has been touting tax increase after tax increase. As her chances of winning the election grow stronger (so long as she doesn't ruin it), I suspect we are going to see a 20% sell off by now and the end of Novermber if she in fact does win. If the Democrats sweep in November look for a 30% sell off between now and then.

I do see just a small technical Santa Claus rally afterwards but no real recovery until maybe March of 2025 as the tax talk is tempered. If its not tempered, look out below. Call me pessimistic but Im pessimistic.

Ironically I support tax increases and big spending cuts so we can finally balance the budget.


*= Saying comes from:

 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
70,110
28,709
136
The idea of the market being capable of looking months ahead is unsupported. Even anticipating quarterly results is now outside the attention spans of the traders and their algorithms.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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Kamala has been touting tax increase after tax increase. As her chances of winning the election grow stronger (so long as she doesn't ruin it), I suspect we are going to see a 20% sell off by now and the end of Novermber if she in fact does win. If the Democrats sweep in November look for a 30% sell off between now and then.
Not sure if I should request that you keep this thread minimally political (fully apolitical is impossible since politics and stock markets do mingle), or if it is best to just lay out things and let people decide the politics. I'm going with the second option, but in a spoiler.
These all need congress to buy-in and might need a constitutional amendment (so some are highly unlikely to actually be implemented), but so far Harris has mentioned these:
  • Change corporate tax rate from 21% to 28%.
  • Change stock buyback tax from 1% to 4%
  • Increase minimum corporate tax from 10.5% to 21% for global profits assigned to low-tax jurisdictions
  • Increase income tax bracket for >$400k incomes after deductions from 37% to 39.6%.
  • Eliminate capital gains lower tax brackets if you make >$1,000,000. That is, treat capital gains as regular income once you reach that income threshold.
  • Eliminate the step-up tax loophole for those with >$100million. The step-up loophole currently says that if you inherit investments then the gains before you inherited them are never taxed--neither for the one who died nor for the one who inherits. As an example, if I buy stock for $1,000, it grows to $1,000,000, and FelixDeCat inherits it, then that $999,000 gain is never taxed. It is as if FelixDeCat bought it for $1,000,000.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
2,220
126
^ Thanks for posting the specific proposals Dullard. As previously mentioned, I support tax increases to an extent but not the ones that would push the economy into a recession. However, this is medicine that is long overdue and we need to fix the mess we are in.

And with stocks not too far from record highs and S&P P/E ratio above normal this does not bode well, so I am only left to conclude we see a big sell off. I am calling for QQQ sub 400 by early next year.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
2,220
126
The idea of the market being capable of looking months ahead is unsupported. Even anticipating quarterly results is now outside the attention spans of the traders and their algorithms.
Just thinking of the chess pieces and trying to guess some possible outcomes. Even when Trump was elected the market took a big dump initially before rallying and not looking back until COVID, then we lost our minds and spent trillions and trillions of dollars ($10 trillion total?) over reacting to COVID and spending like money actually has very little value. Then came inflation we have not seen since the late 1970s.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,489
3,200
136
I've got some bad news for you, Sunshine.....*

Kamala has been touting tax increase after tax increase. As her chances of winning the election grow stronger (so long as she doesn't ruin it), I suspect we are going to see a 20% sell off by now and the end of Novermber if she in fact does win. If the Democrats sweep in November look for a 30% sell off between now and then.

I do see just a small technical Santa Claus rally afterwards but no real recovery until maybe March of 2025 as the tax talk is tempered. If its not tempered, look out below. Call me pessimistic but Im pessimistic.

Ironically I support tax increases and big spending cuts so we can finally balance the budget.


*= Saying comes from:

She also wants to tax unrealized gains.

Not going to ever happen.
 

linkgoron

Platinum Member
Mar 9, 2005
2,395
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She also wants to tax unrealized gains.

Not going to ever happen.
On people who have more than 100 million USD. That's about 10k people from what I understand.

Also, it's a weird system where the someone can borrow against their so-called unrealized gains and act as if they are realized, even though it's "technically" unrealized. I can see why the government would try to be more aggressive about it, if these "gains" are never actually realized but just leveraged against. Especially when it's a tax against ultra rich who live relatively tax free.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
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Nvidia hit with anti trust subpoena after hours. Futures off about 1%. I suspect a small bounce then Kamalanomics will work its magic and back down we go.

Also, it is rumored Nancy Pelosi dumped her stake in Nvidia just before the Justice Department notice.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,489
3,200
136
A reccuring theme in earnings reports: disappointing guidance.

The near future isn't looking very bright.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,476
3,975
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A reccuring theme in earnings reports: disappointing guidance.

The near future isn't looking very bright.
From what I've heard a lot of the disappointing guidance comes from uncertainty of the election. Two very different views for America's future. Thus, it is hard for businesses to have confidence in a specific positive outcome. Their guidance is tending to be lower just in case of a bad political outcome for them.

Short term, you are probably right. Medium term, I am boosted by two positives: (1) interest rates will start slowly going down and (2) oil is under $70/barrel. And that lower oil price is even with the US oil reserve being rapidly refilled (at a sizable profit for the US taxpayers). Meaning when the US is done refilling it, there will be even further downward pressure on oil price. And that means lower costs on just about everything.
 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
18,613
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The thing is that business will do well no matter what, billionaires and hedge funds might loose some money to taxation, but the industry will keep producing and create greater profits. It also works here in Denmark even though the taxation is much higher.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,545
2,220
126
From what I've heard a lot of the disappointing guidance comes from uncertainty of the election. Two very different views for America's future. Thus, it is hard for businesses to have confidence in a specific positive outcome. Their guidance is tending to be lower just in case of a bad political outcome for them.

Short term, you are probably right. Medium term, I am boosted by two positives: (1) interest rates will start slowly going down and (2) oil is under $70/barrel. And that lower oil price is even with the US oil reserve being rapidly refilled (at a sizable profit for the US taxpayers). Meaning when the US is done refilling it, there will be even further downward pressure on oil price. And that means lower costs on just about everything.
Stop looking on the bright side otherwise I will furl my brows at you.
 
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AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,489
3,200
136
From what I've heard a lot of the disappointing guidance comes from uncertainty of the election. Two very different views for America's future. Thus, it is hard for businesses to have confidence in a specific positive outcome. Their guidance is tending to be lower just in case of a bad political outcome for them.

Short term, you are probably right. Medium term, I am boosted by two positives: (1) interest rates will start slowly going down and (2) oil is under $70/barrel. And that lower oil price is even with the US oil reserve being rapidly refilled (at a sizable profit for the US taxpayers). Meaning when the US is done refilling it, there will be even further downward pressure on oil price. And that means lower costs on just about everything.
We will see a rally after the political uncertainty that is the election.
 
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