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KashGarinn

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Originally posted by: neutralizer

1) At this point, there isn't much difference between the i865pe and i875 because the IC7 with bios 13 has PAT enabled so its basically running as if it were a i875 chipset.
- You mean the IS7, right?
2) i875 and i865pe have the same upgradability since the i865pe is only a crippled version of the i875. As for upgradability to Prescott, I doubt it because Prescott will have more pins and an entirely new socket. The only upgradability you can expect is for the socket 478 chips.
- You are sure about the prescott? (and to confirm we're talking about the same thing, the prescott is the next CPU which comes out this autumn right?)
3) The IC7 has an AGP and memory real estate problem in that it will be hard to take out the RAM in DIMM 1 with the AGP card in.
- that's not too bad.
4) DDR400, perhaps XMS3200C2 or HyperX.
- You would not recommend higher chips than 3200?
5) I have no clue... I guess as long as it fits in the hsf area for the CPU, which it usually can as long as you don't have one of those huge hsfs. Actually OCing with the retail HSF is fine. And your dragon case should fit fine as long as the connectors for a P4 mobo.
- Not sure about the connectors in my case.. how do I check this?
7) Change them in the BIOS by setting RAM timings to manual.
- No, I'm talking about what the numbers all mean, what it means to try to lower the number on each of the 2-2-3-5, and just general info on what the numbers do.
8) OCing will not burn your P4 as they throttle down then they get too hot. There is a warning system for failing fans, high cpu temps and when the cpu gets too hot, it can shut off as well.
- what about possible effects on other items than the CPU?
Hope this helps.

- It did indeed, thanks alot

K.
 

Ketchup

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Originally posted by: KashGarinn
Originally posted by: neutralizer

1) At this point, there isn't much difference between the i865pe and i875 because the IC7 with bios 13 has PAT enabled so its basically running as if it were a i875 chipset.
- You mean the IS7, right?
2) i875 and i865pe have the same upgradability since the i865pe is only a crippled version of the i875. As for upgradability to Prescott, I doubt it because Prescott will have more pins and an entirely new socket. The only upgradability you can expect is for the socket 478 chips.
- You are sure about the prescott? (and to confirm we're talking about the same thing, the prescott is the next CPU which comes out this autumn right?)
3) The IC7 has an AGP and memory real estate problem in that it will be hard to take out the RAM in DIMM 1 with the AGP card in.
- that's not too bad.
4) DDR400, perhaps XMS3200C2 or HyperX.
- You would not recommend higher chips than 3200?
5) I have no clue... I guess as long as it fits in the hsf area for the CPU, which it usually can as long as you don't have one of those huge hsfs. Actually OCing with the retail HSF is fine. And your dragon case should fit fine as long as the connectors for a P4 mobo.
- Not sure about the connectors in my case.. how do I check this?
7) Change them in the BIOS by setting RAM timings to manual.
- No, I'm talking about what the numbers all mean, what it means to try to lower the number on each of the 2-2-3-5, and just general info on what the numbers do.
8) OCing will not burn your P4 as they throttle down then they get too hot. There is a warning system for failing fans, high cpu temps and when the cpu gets too hot, it can shut off as well.
- what about possible effects on other items than the CPU?
Hope this helps.

- It did indeed, thanks alot

K.

2. He is right, kind of. The first two Prescotts, at 3.2 and 3.4 GHz, will be socket-478. Then the Prescott will move to a socket-775 interface. Prescott is not expected till Q4 this year, so an 800 MHz Northwood and a canterwood or springdale will make a good holdover until then.

4. I would strongly recommend having chips rated higher than PC3200, even though everyone here seems to think otherwise. If you don't believe me, look at all the people having problems with the Corsair LL chips. PC3500 is only a little extra, and it should help ensure you have a little extra stability, especially when you are first setting up your system, when it is most important.

5. Both your case and motherboard conform to the ATX standard, so you will have no issues mounting your board in your case. Your 92L should also fit fine.

7. These numbers correlate to the the time the computer give the memory to execute a given task. The lower the number, the less time the RAM has to hold onto data, and the faster your system is. For maximum performance, you should make the numbers as low as possible without sacrificing stability. For setting up your system for the first time, you should set all the timings to the highest possible number.


8. Assuming you are using the stock heatsink and fan, or something a bit more robust, overclocking will not burn up your CPU, but overvolting might, over time. Just keep your vcore under 1.7 and you should be fine. I believe this board can shut down if you CPU fan stops spinning, or if you CPU hits a temperature you set in the BIOS. You really don't need these features, as the thermal throttling feature makes it impossible to burn up a P4.
 

neutralizer

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Oct 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: KashGarinn
Originally posted by: neutralizer

1) At this point, there isn't much difference between the i865pe and i875 because the IC7 with bios 13 has PAT enabled so its basically running as if it were a i875 chipset.
- You mean the IS7, right?

Yeah, I meant the IS7, but after the whole PAT/GAT thing, IS7 and IC7 are pretty much the same thing, although I see IS7 doing better in the benchmarks even without PAT enabled.

2) i875 and i865pe have the same upgradability since the i865pe is only a crippled version of the i875. As for upgradability to Prescott, I doubt it because Prescott will have more pins and an entirely new socket. The only upgradability you can expect is for the socket 478 chips.
- You are sure about the prescott? (and to confirm we're talking about the same thing, the prescott is the next CPU which comes out this autumn right?)

Prescott will be Pentium5 that come out this autumn, yes. According to the THG, the first couple of chips wills till be Socket 478 so theoreticall the IS7 should support this after that, Prescott will be 700ish pins which would not fit in the Socket 478 that the IS7 has.

3) The IC7 has an AGP and memory real estate problem in that it will be hard to take out the RAM in DIMM 1 with the AGP card in.
- that's not too bad.

It isn't too bad, I had to deal with it with my 8KHA+, but on the IS7, even with the video card in, you can still pop out the DIMM by releasing just one side and slightly releasing the other.

4) DDR400, perhaps XMS3200C2 or HyperX.
- You would not recommend higher chips than 3200?

Well IS7 officially supports up to DDR400, you can get higher chips than 3200 if plan on OCing the FSB even higher or get better RAM timings. But most of the chips above 3200 are just overclocked versions of the PC3200 anyways. Since the IS7 supports DualDDR400, it would be helpful to buy two sticks of RAM so you can enable that feature providing extra bandwidth, which the P4 loves.

5) I have no clue... I guess as long as it fits in the hsf area for the CPU, which it usually can as long as you don't have one of those huge hsfs. Actually OCing with the retail HSF is fine. And your dragon case should fit fine as long as the connectors for a P4 mobo.
- Not sure about the connectors in my case.. how do I check this?

For the IS7, there should be a large connector from your PSU with 2x10ish plug (for AMD and Intel) and a smaller 2x2 plug (for Intel only). Check your PSU for those connectors. AMD/Intel certified PSU usually have them.

7) Change them in the BIOS by setting RAM timings to manual.
- No, I'm talking about what the numbers all mean, what it means to try to lower the number on each of the 2-2-3-5, and just general info on what the numbers do.

I think the manual for the IS7 explains, I know the first one is CAS latency, but I forgot the rest, generally the lower the ram timings, the better the ram will run. However, most DDR ram have trouble running at very low ram timings. IE my XMS3200C2 will only run 2-3-3-5. Look around there are some topics that talk about what those numbers mean.

8) OCing will not burn your P4 as they throttle down then they get too hot. There is a warning system for failing fans, high cpu temps and when the cpu gets too hot, it can shut off as well.
- what about possible effects on other items than the CPU?

The northbridge of the IS7 has this huge heatsink with 7k rpm fans, so I think that would keep the northbridge nice and cool. Actually I haven't seen my mobo temp rise above 28 C and I live in CA. OCing might potentially raise your PSU temp as well so you might want to watch that temp carefully as I don't think there is an alarm or shutdown for that.

Hope this helps.

- It did indeed, thanks alot

K.

Np, just giving back to the community of AT .
 

emjem

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Originally posted by: kaiguy
Actually, you don't want to install those drivers. If you're running XP, just download SP1, as their included with that. You can't get any third-party USB 2 drivers...

(The one's on Abit's site are for Win9x).

Sorry about that. I downloaded and used 4180278.cab file. I thought it came from Abit but apparently not.

 

RaymondY

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Planning on switching back to Intel from AMD. Is there a recommended OS, drivers, etc installation process???

The OS is WinXP.

LMK
THanks
 

mroleg

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Nov 8, 2002
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Is it me or bios13 is a dud. Cant get second sata drive to get rcognized by windows no matter what and memory performance is twice as low as suppose to be no matter what settings I use.
Had to flush back to 13b1. With this one everything works just fine.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: RaymondY
Planning on switching back to Intel from AMD. Is there a recommended OS, drivers, etc installation process???

The OS is WinXP.

LMK
THanks

install OS install drivers then install windows updates
 

major_major

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i feel like bios 13 is a dud also. For some reason, after flashing to it, my memory became extremely unstable when running anything exept for a 1:1 ratio. For example i couldn't even run my fsb at 270 using a 3:2 ratio due to memory crashes. I know its not processor related because I've been running 270 fsb using a 3:2 ratio with the old bios. Even when i tried to run 250 fsb with a 5:4 ratio, thus running the memory at its specified 200 speed, it was still unstable, even at relaxed timings.
 

neutralizer

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Oct 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: major_major
i feel like bios 13 is a dud also. For some reason, after flashing to it, my memory became extremely unstable when running anything exept for a 1:1 ratio. For example i couldn't even run my fsb at 270 using a 3:2 ratio due to memory crashes. I know its not processor related because I've been running 270 fsb using a 3:2 ratio with the old bios. Even when i tried to run 250 fsb with a 5:4 ratio, thus running the memory at its specified 200 speed, it was still unstable, even at relaxed timings.

Hmm... that might explain my BSODs too...
 

SuperG03

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Originally posted by: kaiguy
Actually, you don't want to install those drivers. If you're running XP, just download SP1, as their included with that. You can't get any third-party USB 2 drivers...

(The one's on Abit's site are for Win9x).

Yeah after I read on ABIT's site I decided not to even try them, since they are foro Windows 9x. But I still have a problem. I have already upgraded, and downloaded the SP1 for Windows XP Pro. However, it is still there. I had already d/l it when I posted the first time. I just checked the windows update, and I have no updates to do at this time. So what gives? Why isn't it gone. If you have the same board and win xp pro with sp1 installed, please let me know if you did something else to get rid of it, or if you know how I might be able to. Thanks.

SuperG03
 

orion7144

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I think this is happening due to the GAT they added. you can disable it and the old overclock will work. I had the same thing happen.

Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: major_major
i feel like bios 13 is a dud also. For some reason, after flashing to it, my memory became extremely unstable when running anything exept for a 1:1 ratio. For example i couldn't even run my fsb at 270 using a 3:2 ratio due to memory crashes. I know its not processor related because I've been running 270 fsb using a 3:2 ratio with the old bios. Even when i tried to run 250 fsb with a 5:4 ratio, thus running the memory at its specified 200 speed, it was still unstable, even at relaxed timings.

Hmm... that might explain my BSODs too...

 

cagemusic

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Hey is anyone having heat issues with the IS-7? My pld intel PEBT2 board with the same cpu ran very cool even after gaming. My 2.4B (at stock speed) is getting up to 50C in the IS7 after playing Q3 for a while which seems hot for a P4. When I put in the new board I reapplyed some thermal compound so I think that end is okay. During web surfing it sits around 41C. Here is what I am running.

2.4B (runs about the same temp at 2.6 and 2.8)
512 geil 433 ram/1:1
2-6-2-2 ram timings
strap at 533
GAT - all set to auto

I have read others who are operating at around 35C all the time, so I am just wondering if something is wrong . I know the intel boards are very safe for all that kind of stuff.

Thanks for any thoughts.
 

Voltaire

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My 2.4c runs pretty warm, too. At idle, CPU temp is around 52'C with ambient system temp sitting at around 36 to 38'C. It touches 60'C under full load. This is under stock CPU speed!
Not sure if this is considered 'hot'. I'm running on stock HSF with Arctic Silver II. Wondering if the Arctic Ceramique would make any difference vs AS II?
Could the heat generated by the northbridge affect the ambient temp around the CPU? The 2nd Antec PSU fan blows over the CPU, too. I know installing an extra case fan would help (blow in or out?), but to what extent?
 

mroleg

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Nov 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: major_major
i feel like bios 13 is a dud also. For some reason, after flashing to it, my memory became extremely unstable when running anything exept for a 1:1 ratio. For example i couldn't even run my fsb at 270 using a 3:2 ratio due to memory crashes. I know its not processor related because I've been running 270 fsb using a 3:2 ratio with the old bios. Even when i tried to run 250 fsb with a 5:4 ratio, thus running the memory at its specified 200 speed, it was still unstable, even at relaxed timings.

heh bios 13 is a dud i couldnt get my second sata drive to work no matter what i did with it. memory performance went down 50%. i didnt even go into overclocking with it.
back to 13b1 for me, this one works like a charm.
 

bernse

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Well, I am looking at taking the plunge within the next few weeks and I was planning on an IS7E board, but some of the comments on this thread scare me a bit. Is it a decent board or should a person still wait? My overclocking would be quite minimal (probably less than 400Mhz) if at all. Plan on a 2.6C or 2.8C
 

mloiterman

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What's the best Memory for this Board? Looking at Corsair 3200 XMS, but don't know what LL, LLPT, or C2PT mean. Part number from Newegg would be great. Will be using this with p4 2.4c. Minimal overclocking. Stability and ease of configuration more important.

Thanks
 

neutralizer

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LL means low latency, LLPT means low latency with platinum heat spreaders, C2PT means cas 2 with platinum heat spreaders. For minimal overclocking the C2PT would suffice, however you might to loosen the timings from SPD and up the voltage to get it to run stable. For guaranteed stability, look for HyperX or XMS PC3500 if you have the cash for it.
 

mloiterman

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Ok...so this is my final system:

CORSAIR XMS 512MB 64MX64 PC-3200C2PT
ABIT IS7-G, Intel 865PE
P 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB

Any suggestions or comments before I order?
 

orion7144

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Looks good.

Originally posted by: mloiterman
Ok...so this is my final system:

CORSAIR XMS 512MB 64MX64 PC-3200C2PT
ABIT IS7-G, Intel 865PE
P 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB

Any suggestions or comments before I order?

 

neutralizer

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Originally posted by: mloiterman
Ok...so this is my final system:

CORSAIR XMS 512MB 64MX64 PC-3200C2PT
ABIT IS7-G, Intel 865PE
P 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB

Any suggestions or comments before I order?

Do a search on Abit Forums for IS7 and BSODs. You'll find that most BSODs caused from the IS7 are from PC3200 memory and tight ram timings. Unless you like running at cas 2.5 and looser ram timings, I suggest you go for PC3500.
 

kumarakn

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Anybody having problems with microphones on IS7? I hear a huge humming noise in the background if I record anything using any program or any make of microphone. Anybody else having similar problems? Any suggestions?
 

NST6563

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I just got my IS7 and am running my 2.4B at 2.98Ghz with some el-cheapo CAS 2.5 PC2100 (ddr266) RAM with Samsung chips on it.
FSB/DDR speeds are both 166.
Took some tweaking to get it to run right, but it runs flawlessly now with the DDR at 166 CAS2 7-2-2 with the Refresh on Strengthened.
Not a bad deal to get DDR333 CAS 2 from some cheap DDR266 Cas 2.5.
The system runs stable all the way up to 3.4Ghz (with the cpu voltage at 1.6v), but I'd rather have the faster RAM timings than a few more points on the cpu end.


IS7
2.4B @ 2.98 (default voltage)
DDR266 @ DDR333 Cas2 7,2,2 (2.8v)
FSB 166
DDR Ratio 1:1
NB Strap PB667 <- the key to getting my ram to run at ddr333 with CAS 2 and 7-2-2

James
 
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