Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

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IEC

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I've never even heard of tech altar. Why is it not listed in the OP? I also wish that their gaming compilation listed on page 3 had provided some context. And measuring power consumption using AOTS doesnt seem very wise.

Catching up on 8 pages of posts now. Added TechAltar and HardwareLUXX.de
 

Zstream

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I've never even heard of tech altar. Why is it not listed in the OP? I also wish that their gaming compilation listed on page 3 had provided some context. And measuring power consumption using AOTS doesnt seem very wise.



Think the power consumption is good as it's a dx12 implementation and that should be using most resources.
 

xthetenth

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I've never even heard of tech altar. Why is it not listed in the OP? I also wish that their gaming compilation listed on page 3 had provided some context. And measuring power consumption using AOTS doesnt seem very wise.

I'd be interested to know how the rest of their reviews look. I'm not going to trust an unknown site without a bit of a check even if they say something I really want to be true.

Judging by my 290 experience, Ashes is the whole-body workout from hell for GPUs, if anything it should be a high outlier.
 

DeathReborn

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Price gouging is, honestly, not a bad thing for AMD right now. It means supply is constrained and demand is still high. It means they sold out of their launch inventory, which was like 20x times what Nvidia had for the 1080/1070, and it means the PCI-E stuff isn't impacting sales.

I doubt the 1060 will match the 480 for perf/$. And even if it comes close, it'll likely be a mediocre FE-only launch vs the first wave of AIB 480s, plus the 470 and 460, the former of which might be the best deal of the bunch. I think AMD wins this mid-range round handily. The only real concern is how Vega competes at the high end.

AMD isn't benefiting from the higher prices, the retailers are. Also to parrot the anti Nvidia posters failing to provide adequate supply on launch is a paper launch. This is of course the flawed urban dictionary definition they clung to.

I have decided to not purchase 480's for 5760x1080, they just lack the perf/watt I desire (perf being primary, watt secondary). I'll give it until the end of August for Vega info to arrive before jumping back to green.
 

railven

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Everything I'm seeing indicates that yields are the key issue for both companies. If that's the premise, then gouging means that demand's outstripping supply. We know supply isn't utterly terrible, so that would indicate that demand is healthy if not outright good.

I think a lot of the people were cross shopping the 1070 and a hypothetical 480 that would be an 8800 GT grade legend, and the 480 as is is just not in their bracket, and it wasn't likely to be. The people I know in the actual price range for it are still excited even though I've told them to wait for aftermarket.

I personally was cross-shopping RX 480 and GTX 1080 solely on the hype built around the OC haha. With GP102 on the horizon a stop gap to tinker with for $250-300 sounded like fun. Still not out of the question if AIB RX 480 have good numbers. I'm not looking to replace my 980 Ti for $700+ if the big Pascal is just around the corner.

EDIT: And when I made reference to people buying something else, I didn't mean GTX 1070 specifically But some users I've read chose even 390/390X or GTX 980 Ti's over RX 480.

Wasn't Vega going to be TSMC? That'll be interesting to see. If we accept the premise that GloFo gave really inconsistent chips that needed huge volts to get parametric yields I think AMD did the right thing volting them hard and keeping yields high so prices are low.

I read something similar today about Zen. But I can't find anything to verify it outside fo WCCF articles and we all know how good those have been lately

If AMD is aiming to move Vega/Zen from GloFlo, that explains a lot to me GloFlo has been the anchor around AMD's neck for a while now.
 

xthetenth

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Hey now, WCCF is usually right! (They're also usually three different kinds of wrong on the same thing).
 

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opinions about the fan seem to be all over the place. tom's seems to like it (although idle resonance may be an issue), and the techaltar guys (whoever they are) said it was quiet. but tpu and techreport say it's loud (and techreport actually has a dB level that backs that up) and linustechtips (which may be as influential as any, being on youtube) didn't even mention it.

guess i'll have to wait for someone to send SPCR a sample
 

railven

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It is not debatable that high demand for a product is a good thing for the company selling it.

Thing is, for some of the things I've read, the demand isn't what is causing the gouging. I think some retailers got preemptively on the gouge train. For example some retailers dropped price AFTER a day. That goes against high demand causing the increased prices.

Others have already answered this point, but I'd also add that the hysteria in forums and on Reddit does not match the public at large, and people posting in internet forums about video cards are not the target market for midrange cards, such as the 480.

I'm not in the public and I can't discuss things I notice with them. /shrug

I really don't understand this nonsense about "so many missteps." There is a minor power draw issue. The reviewers who uncovered said issue didn't even seem to care, they still recommended the card. That's like 0.5 missteps. They have released a card that kills everything else in perf/$ and it's selling very well. To suggest this is anything but successful launch is asinine.

I've read your posts. There really is nothing for us to discuss.

You've gotten waaaaaay ahead of yourself, my man.

We all knew Nvidia apologists were going to attack AMD's launch no matter what happened, that doesn't make it any less frustrating to see in action.

Yep, I was right. T'was fun
 

zinfamous

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AMD isn't claiming the RX 480 offers premium VR in the way you are suggesting, and in the interview with Linus, Raja was pretty clear, he is talking about Premium compared to stupid Google Cardboard, or other lame VR "Solutions" that use a smart phone as the display.

It's offering Premium VR with Oculus Rift type sets, clearly.

I don't see any other way to interpret it.

http://i65.tinypic.com/fyidr8.jpg

I think you missed his point.


There really are 2 (3?) tiers of VR currently, right? the carboard phone stuff, and the heavy lifters with Rift and Vive (and soon that Razr thing, right)?

No one that is investing in VR for their PC is going to be fooling with cardboard and cell phones. Here, the "premium" definition does seem to indicate a difference between those tiers, with Polaris targeted to qualify for that threshold.

In the image you posted, that clearly shows 480 falls within that premium tier, regardless of whether or not it performs as well as others. I think it's fair to say that they aren't arguing for a premium experience within "premium VR," but that they are going to get you to premium.

Maybe it's semantics and they hype that has been surrounding this up to release, but I think it's an accurate statement and AMD did deliver on that. That being said, those tests are sketchy at best right now and it's likewise difficult to predict where a mature Polaris will be performing for VR a year from now, and at what price: I predict a strong showing.

Everyone should want that. It means greater adoption and more content. It means that consoles running Polaris will have sets that can be called "PC Lite" when compared to Rift/Vive for a few years, and I don't see that as a bad thing.
 

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Now there are rumors that there will be the RX485 with improved P10 chip and GDDR 5X memory. The date is unknown BTW..

However on the official side, the RX490 is already listed in a promotion in this year.

Looks like it's on the move.

 

LTC8K6

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so now you're oreo-ist?


Well, I still don't think very many people are going to be standing around with a thing on their head to escape reality and play video games.

It's really hard for me to believe that VR is going to be a huge market.

I'm certainly never going to wear anything on my head like that.

We called people dorks for that back in the day.
 

realibrad

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opinions about the fan seem to be all over the place. tom's seems to like it (although idle resonance may be an issue), and the techaltar guys (whoever they are) said it was quiet. but tpu and techreport say it's loud (and techreport actually has a dB level that backs that up) and linustechtips (which may be as influential as any, being on youtube) didn't even mention it.

guess i'll have to wait for someone to send SPCR a sample

Just about all other reviews say the noise level is quiet. If you look at the TPU quote, they say that its louder than any other recent card in history, and then show that the 980ti is louder. Just about every other review out there shows it as being quiet with almost no change with gaming and fan speed set to auto. I think someone might have messed up and got readings that were off, or they had a faulty card.

Check out Paul's Hardware and his fan noise.

https://youtu.be/-y6Ky_pCawQ?t=468

And look at this chart from Gamernexus.



Everyone wanted to see if AMD would do another R9 200 blower and make it scream, and almost nobody said anything bad about fan noise.
 

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Thala

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LTC8K6 said:
"about 1.5 percent faster" seems to be what it says.

Where did "up to 5%" come from?

It is in the sentence right before the one you tried to translate.

je nach Spiel steigt die Performance durch den neuen Treiber um bis zu fünf Prozent an.

Which can be translated to: Depending on game the performance is increasing up to five percent due to the new driver. ("fünf Prozent" == 5%)
 
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railven

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So 485 and 490 is what Vega?

If I read the posts earlier right, 485 is Polaris with GDDR5X controller and chips.

Might be time for another train to depart?

Vega is definitely going to be something to watch for. Perhaps they treat it more like Fury and let AIBs do all the talking?
 

sze5003

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If I read the posts earlier right, 485 is Polaris with GDDR5X controller and chips.

Might be time for another train to depart?

Vega is definitely going to be something to watch for. Perhaps they treat it more like Fury and let AIBs do all the talking?
That's why I want an AIB 480 to just use until Vega comes out. I'll get their top end at that point and keep that card for a while 3+ years or more, assuming it's good.
 

zinfamous

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Well, I still don't think very many people are going to be standing around with a thing on their head to escape reality and play video games.

It's really hard for me to believe that VR is going to be a huge market.

I'm certainly never going to wear anything on my head like that.

We called people dorks for that back in the day.

like you, I'm not all that interested in VR. Not yet, anyway. If it was maybe 30% of the current adoption cost, I would consider it.

But I don't see it as being primarily for games. Once those sets get smaller, quality improves, cords start disappearing, it will start finding itself in platforms and uses that people haven't yet anticipated. I think it would be great for all sorts of training purposes: medicine, museum tours/education, military...even general computer use people are already talking about how it's a superior desktop setup.

I still don't see it as something that is all that appealing for me, but I do trust a lot of the opinions of those around here that have it and say it really is phenomenal. I look at the value here regarding what AMD has done as a market value; not a personal interest. When you consider that, you can only see that this is the proverbial gauntlet being thrown.
 

railven

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That's why I want an AIB 480 to just use until Vega comes out. I'll get their top end at that point and keep that card for a while 3+ years or more, assuming it's good.

I just love to buy/tinker with stuff. My 980 Ti has been through its paces. Time to swap it out. I'd entertain downgrading to 85-90% if AIB's deliver something with that kind of performance. It would be a stopgap for me anyways until Vega/GP102 show us what these new nodes can really deliver.

If NV wasn't jacking up prices so severely, I'd have no qualms with a RX 480 + GTX 1080 - just like the good ol days.

edit:

According to AMD, RX 485 is...

Generation 4, 8 Tier (256bit/1440p), Second revision.

Interesting...the plot thickens!
 

krumme

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Well, I still don't think very many people are going to be standing around with a thing on their head to escape reality and play video games.

It's really hard for me to believe that VR is going to be a huge market.

I'm certainly never going to wear anything on my head like that.

We called people dorks for that back in the day.
Sony expected to sell 6 M vr this year
http://www.gsmarena.com/analysts_cl...ystation_vr_headsets_this_year-blog-19085.php
All driven by polaris Ps4 neo i asume.
6M
 
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