Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

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linkgoron

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Don't expect too much for the custom RX 480 cards, the tests show it's vram bandwidth bottlenecked as performance scaled very well with just memory OC.

Unless custom cards can get GDDR5X, even IF they clock it to 1.6ghz, I don't expect performance to scale much beyond 1.4ghz.

1.4 ghz would put it above the 980 at 1080p and just under fury. That's quite good imo.
 

3DVagabond

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Yes, you sell them as different cards...high performance models...and regular performance models...different BIOS.

Marketing.

Powercolor's going to do the Devil model any day. Bring back the Sapphire Atomic model. A CLC model like the XFX Rep was asking people if they thought it would be a good idea. If you're going to claim it's premium though, make sure it is. Not just some scam to add another hundy to the retail of the reference card. D:
 

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Yep so the GTX 1060 should also be shown against the 1080/1070, 390X and Fury. Otherwise the site has bias towards Nvidia, that much is quite clear.



What are you going to do? Seems like you are in a similar position as me....wait for Vega or get a 1070/1080???



Also why can't AMD get stock cooling right?

It's been the same for 10 years, since the 2900 series was released. The last good cooler they had was on the X1950XTX !!!

It's not just AMD. nVidia has had throttling coolers since the original Titan. Difference is nVidia claims they are awesome and everyone just believes them.

Remember the RX 480 is built to a price point. Make the cooler more expensive and you need to cut somewhere else. What would you suggest they cheapen to accommodate the more expensive reference cooler? Especially consider that most people are going to buy the AIB designs anyway.
 

Qwertilot

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It's not just AMD. nVidia has had throttling coolers since the original Titan. Difference is nVidia claims they are awesome and everyone just believes them.

Remember the RX 480 is built to a price point. Make the cooler more expensive and you need to cut somewhere else. What would you suggest they cheapen to accommodate the more expensive reference cooler? Especially consider that most people are going to buy the AIB designs anyway.

Well, what you don't do is to slap a cooler on it that you self admit to be terrible and then send that out as the card to be seen in initial reviews.
That's self destructive insanity.

Very definitely a mistake to do it just to hit a price point for the reference model - even at the 'low' cost of Polaris its a big chunk of money and people do at least deserve something without such glaring issues.

Either do a half decent reference or just don't do it. Given this launch I'd say AMD had the right idea of not doing references back with the 3xx stuff.
 

sze5003

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Not sure I'm a fan of a $270 480. Technically would be the better buy over a 970 especially if OC is guaranteed 1400MHz+, but it's no longer a significant value.

Also, what are the latest rumors on 470 release date? Nothing yet? Can AMD release soon to compensate for all of us getting fucked over by the entire internet lying to us about the 29th release date?
Yea I feel you on that one. So with tax I would be looking at $300 or so. Another thing I start to wonder about is will the 8gb variant offer better performance than the 4gb model, specifically just these AIB models. If not, then it's a super easy choice. We still don't know the final prices because no aftermarket models have been released yet.
 

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It's not just AMD. nVidia has had throttling coolers since the original Titan. Difference is nVidia claims they are awesome and everyone just believes them.

Remember the RX 480 is built to a price point. Make the cooler more expensive and you need to cut somewhere else. What would you suggest they cheapen to accommodate the more expensive reference cooler? Especially consider that most people are going to buy the AIB designs anyway.

I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.
 

sze5003

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I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.
1060 will be more expensive I bet.
 
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I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.

Depends on the price.

1060 is still going to lose horribly in DX12/Vulkan vs RX 480. And there's more titles coming with time.

Biggest titles this year are arriving soon and they are DX12 AND AMD sponsored.

Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2 and Deus Ex anyone?

NV would have to price it very aggressive for it to be compelling. Note, AIB 480s are coming mid July, right when the 1060 reference launches. If these cards run at around 1.35ghz, that's already GTX 980 performance in DX11 games.

I was too harsh on the RX 480. Today I've been playing DX12 Total War Warhammer and I am really liking locked 60 FPS even in huge battles, something that wasn't possible with DX11. It reminded me how important strong DX12/Vulkan performance matters already and it will only be more important later this year.
 
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Well, what you don't do is to slap a cooler on it that you self admit to be terrible and then send that out as the card to be seen in initial reviews.
That's self destructive insanity.

Very definitely a mistake to do it just to hit a price point for the reference model - even at the 'low' cost of Polaris its a big chunk of money and people do at least deserve something without such glaring issues.

Either do a half decent reference or just don't do it. Given this launch I'd say AMD had the right idea of not doing references back with the 3xx stuff.
The card will run within spec and at stated speeds safely for a long time. Easily as long as the card is relevant. I have no interest in paying more than the $199 I paid for the 4gb 480. I'm sure their are more like me since they've sold out every where.
 

ZGR

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I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.

What did you expect from the RX 480? AIB versions will be faster than a GTX 980 at a far lower price. There was the same throttling issue with the 1070/1080 FE reference cooler as well. The power consumption is still low enough to handle most mainstream PSUs.

The high power draw from PCIe is most likely an easy fix. If not, then AMD screwed up big time. The excessive voltage in all their products is frustrating, but at least that can be tuned.
 

boozzer

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What did you expect from the RX 480? AIB versions will be faster than a GTX 980 at a far lower price. There was the same throttling issue with the 1070/1080 FE reference cooler as well. The power consumption is still low enough to handle most mainstream PSUs.

The high power draw from PCIe is most likely an easy fix. If not, then AMD screwed up big time. The excessive voltage in all their products is frustrating, but at least that can be tuned.
he hyped or wanted a gpu that is close to 1070 performance but costs 200$.

some people and their unrealistic expectations.
 

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Some info via Reddit/OverclockersUK about the Sapphire Nitro 480:

Yes over reference it has:

- 8-Pin
- DVI Port
- OC out of box (1325-1350MHz region, TBC)
- Black Shroud
- Removable fans for cleaning
- Backplate
- MSRP 275.99 GBP (OcUK is trying to get lower)

I really like it and as always the Nitro will be one of the best if not best cards on market for aesthetics, cooling, reliabity etc. and now they have 3yr warranty is also great.
I wouldn't balk at the price just yet - the £ is in some rather interesting times economically (along with the whole country D so international pricing may well be more favourable.
 

Qwertilot

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What did you expect from the RX 480?

Honestly, to look like they care/have basic organisational skills?

They haven't got anywhere near producing a wonder chip - hard with a massive R&D deficit! - but they're also shooting themselves in the foot in some truly depressing ways.

The worst of them being shipping some cards which really didn't do well enough out of the GF process to be shipped as 480's. Thus really the PCIE stuff and things.
 

KaRLiToS

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What did you expect from the RX 480? AIB versions will be faster than a GTX 980 at a far lower price. There was the same throttling issue with the 1070/1080 FE reference cooler as well. The power consumption is still low enough to handle most mainstream PSUs.

The high power draw from PCIe is most likely an easy fix. If not, then AMD screwed up big time. The excessive voltage in all their products is frustrating, but at least that can be tuned.

Why are you even comparing to others problems? " Oh that card has throttling issue so it's okay if the other brand has some too". Geez.

he hyped or wanted a gpu that is close to 1070 performance but costs 200$.

some people and their unrealistic expectations.

Do you guys expects everyone to say: " Yay, what an awsome card". This card sucks to me. Higher power draw, lower performance than expected... and its freaking 379$ CAD.

Are you guys really happy with the GPU market right now? If you are, than I'm not. And even if you think I was hyped, I wasn't but I was expecting more...again, but to me it is another disapointment.
 

Zstream

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Are you guys really happy with the GPU market right now? If you are, than I'm not. And even if you think I was hyped, I wasn't but I was expecting more...again, but to me it is another disappointment.

Yeah, I'm moving from a 280 to a 480. I'm pretty excited for that jump. As I stated before, I'm in the minority on the forum, but I think I have a good view of what most mainstream folks are willing to pay.
 

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for 1080p the 4gb version is actually the best there is under 200$ for canadian prices, too bad, I don't live in canada. I feel you but your circumstances =/= everyone else. don't use your circumstances to make a sweeping statement.

and what were your expected performance? and why does the power draw matter to you? you have a oem class 400 wat psu or less?
 

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I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.

What on earth are you on about? The RX 480 is getting positive reviews everywhere. It's $199 for god's sake.

Far out, I sound like a bloody AMD fanboy. I don't currently own any AMD products, but I just don't get why there's so much negativity toward the RX 480.
 

khon

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What on earth are you on about? The RX 480 is getting positive reviews everywhere. It's $199 for god's sake.

Far out, I sound like a bloody AMD fanboy. I don't currently own any AMD products, but I just don't get why there's so much negativity toward the RX 480.

The negativity is because the price is basically the only good thing about the Rx 480. Granted that's a very big positive, and for a lot of people it's probably enough to make it a good purchase, but it's not a good sign for AMD going forwards. We might end up with a situation like the CPU market, where Intel is just plain better than AMD, and the only reason to buy AMD is if your budget is very limited.
 
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Can anyone remember a time when a $200 card could run every game at ultra settings at 1080p? I can remember halo cards not running things at 1080p maxed. Honestly it's never been this wallet friendly.
 

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Why havent we (or me) not seen 480 4gb reviews? Would love to see how much difference it makes vs 8gb versions. I dont expect much since the card may not have enough GPU power to flesh out the differences, but would be interesting to see in newer vram heavy games.
 

sze5003

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It's kind of getting out of hand with the hate on the 480 right now. Then in other threads I see people comparing it to the 1070. Of course it's not in the same bracket, but for what it's worth it can pretty much play any game maxed at 1080p including gimmick settings which I usually turn off anyway.

I am excited for the AIB models to hit the market. I would hope micro center gets some. They still have a reference 480 in stock I think.
 

Keysplayr

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What on earth are you on about? The RX 480 is getting positive reviews everywhere. It's $199 for god's sake.

Far out, I sound like a bloody AMD fanboy. I don't currently own any AMD products, but I just don't get why there's so much negativity toward the RX 480.

It's because of the bat**** nuts hype train.
I dont understand why folks do this. There really isnt a reason for it.
That said, the 480 has great price/performance to be quite sure. Power consumption be damned. Good card. Just overhyped to Jupiter and back.
 
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The negativity is because the price is basically the only good thing about the Rx 480. Granted that's a very big positive, and for a lot of people it's probably enough to make it a good purchase, but it's not a good sign for AMD going forwards. We might end up with a situation like the CPU market, where Intel is just plain better than AMD, and the only reason to buy AMD is if your budget is very limited.
What's so bad about it? Seriously? You guys are nitpicking this thing to death. This isn't some high end masterpiece of engineering. I'll agree. They also aren't pricing it anywhere near the 1070. I bought one for $199. I'll take my $250 savings over the 1070 and do something fun over the holiday weekend. Different strokes different folks I suppose.
 

railven

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Some info via Reddit/OverclockersUK about the Sapphire Nitro 480:

I wouldn't balk at the price just yet - the £ is in some rather interesting times economically (along with the whole country D so international pricing may well be more favourable.

Reading through that thread now. It seems the biggest complaints is the price. Which is odd considering the biggest praise for the RX 480 is price.

It seems some where along the way, the price is getting skewed out of line. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes for more. More so if it starts to nip at GTX 980/Fury Nano.

We'll have $250-300+ custom RX 480's versus whatever NV does for GTX 1060. Gonna be some fun times for the buyers in that bracket.
 

brandonmatic

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I don't know how someone can defend AMD with their RX 480. It's AMD nail in their coffin. I am a big AMD fan but I don't know what to think anymore.

People are going to be buying the GTX 1060, not AIB version of the 480 after seeing the below average reviews of the 480.

All of the reviews seem largely positive on the RX 480 - some very positive. The negative reactions are mostly from us on this forum.

Anandtech
Wrapping things up then, today’s launch of the Radeon RX 480 puts AMD in a good position. They have the mainstream market to themselves, and RX 480 is a strong showing for their new Polaris architecture. AMD will have to fend off NVIDIA at some point, but for now they can sit back and enjoy another successful launch.

Digital Foundry
The benchmarks speak for themselves, but what we haven't really talked about is the actual experience of using the RX 480. What it offers is exactly the kind of experience that we loved about the R9 390 and the GTX 970 - the ability to take the games we enjoyed on console and just get a much better experience playing them on PC. . . . What's brilliant about the RX 480 is that buying into this excellent experience is now $100-$130 cheaper than it was.

PCPer
There it is, the revolution that AMD has been promising us for what seems like years now. Does it live up to the hype? Hard to say for certain until the entire summer pans out, but the Radeon RX 480 is an impressively built and positioned graphics card that AMD hopes will spark sales, improve their market share position and give them the leverage to do more with the hardware and software technologies they have in place and en route.

Hot Hardware
In the end, AMD delivered what the company said it would. The Radeon RX 480 is an affordable, relatively powerful GPU that brings bleeding-edge display technologies and premium VR support into a lower price bracket. The $239 price point for the 8GB offering is highly competitive in today’s graphics card market, but the $199 4GB version would be a fine choice for anyone that games at any resolution lower than 1440P. . . . As it stands today, the AMD's new Radeon RX 480 is an excellent value.

Guru3D
Performance wise you just cannot be anything other than thrilled about the Radeon RX 480. Now, the card is a bit all over the place; extremely fast in fill-rate limited games, a little less with GPU stringent ones but overall you are looking at a product that competes with the GeForce GTX 970 and sometimes even 980.

HardwareCanucks
With the RX480 AMD has planted a massive flag right in NVIDIA’s backyard by effectively moving forward the performance yardsticks in today’s most popular segment. Whereas Radeon cards have historically been a bit weak below the $300 price point -typically acting as small scalpels to eat away at NVIDIA’s market share- this small unassuming card is a full sized blunderbuss which will undoubtedly be a raging success. And with good reason too. The RX480 is very fast (particularly in DX12), reasonably efficient and extremely well priced given the framerates it can achieve. AMD is assuring it will be broadly available from day one as well. It is in many ways a perfect budget-focused card for both current and future games.
 
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