Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

[mohit9206]

Let's see some R7 260X vs RX460

Battlefield 3

Performance advantage RX460 - 35%

Crysis 3

Performance advantage RX460 - 27%

R7 260X launch price 2013 - $139
RX460 4GB launch price 2016 - $139

So in 3 years AMD progressed roughly 30%

Now for GTX650Ti vs GTX950

Battlefield 3

Performance advantage GTX950 - 83%

World of Warcraft

Performance advantage GTX950 - 113%

GTX650Ti launch price 2012 - $149
GTX 950 launch price 2015 - $159

So in 3 years Nvidia progressed roughly 100%

There you have it.You can be the judge yourselves and determine which company has put more effort to progress in the last 3 years.

 

[R0H1T]

Let's see some R7 260X vs RX460

Battlefield 3

Performance advantage RX460 - 35%

Crysis 3

Performance advantage RX460 - 27%

R7 260X launch price 2013 - $139
RX460 4GB launch price 2016 - $139

So in 3 years AMD progressed roughly 30%

Now for GTX650Ti vs GTX950

Battlefield 3

Performance advantage GTX950 - 83%

World of Warcraft

Performance advantage GTX950 - 113%

GTX650Ti launch price 2013 - $149
GTX 950 launch price 2016 - $159

So in 3 years Nvidia progressed roughly 100%

There you have it.You can be the judge yourselves and determine which company has put more effort to progress in the last 3 years.

You're either willfully ignorant or intentionally deceitful

The 460 is a successor to R7 260, the fully unlocked P11 (likely to be 460x) will replace 260x also the GTX 650 had 950 as a direct descendant whilst the 650Ti had no derivative in the Maxwell lineup, GTX 960 was the closest.

So I suggest judge yourself & what you're posting!

 

[mohit9206]

You're either willfully ignorant or intentionally deceitful

The 460 is a successor to R7 260, the fully unlocked P11 (likely to be 460x) will replace 260x also the GTX 650 had 950 as a direct descendant whilst the 650Ti had no derivative in the Maxwell lineup, GTX 960 was the closest.

So I suggest judge yourself & what you're posting!

Lol no. Price points determines who is a replacement of what not the architecture.Price point is always the most important point of comparison.

 

[fuccboi]

He is right. The 460 is overpriced at 140.00 because for 60.00 more you can get twice the performance with a 470.

It's actually 39$ more for 470 and 59$ for 480.

 

[Unreal123]

You're either willfully ignorant or intentionally deceitful

The 460 is a successor to R7 260, the fully unlocked P11 (likely to be 460x) will replace 260x also the GTX 650 had 950 as a direct descendant whilst the 650Ti had no derivative in the Maxwell lineup, GTX 960 was the closest.

So I suggest judge yourself & what you're posting!

Can you share that link where it says that AMD is launching a full Polaris 11 on desktops?

I know you love AMD but personally insulting is not allowed.

Some people in forums and here said that GTX 480 will be a competition to GTX 1070 and look what it turns out to be. Some people said that , Nvidia 6 months behind AMD Polaris and look what reality turns out be. Some people do not give up to over hyping AMD no matter what .

AMD is a company and they also require money and without Money and R&D AMD can never compete. Even AMD has given up on High end PC products but some people are still in fantasy land and need to be shown the reality.

 

[Unreal123]

double post.

 

[R0H1T]

Lol no. Price points determines who is a replacement of what not the architecture.Price point is always the most important point of comparison.

In which case the 1080 is the successor to 980Ti right? Your recent comments amply demonstrate why I said ignorant, you doubling down on the same argument shows you've got very little knowledge about the (recent) history of GPU's!

Can you share that link where it says that AMD is launching a full Polaris 11 on desktops?

I know you love AMD but personally insulting is not allowed.

Some people in forums and here said that GTX 480 will be a competition to GTX 1070 and look what it turns out to be. Some people said that , Nvidia 6 months behind AMD Polaris and look what reality turns out be. Some people do not give up to over hyping AMD no matter what .

AMD is a company and they also require money and without Money and R&D AMD can never compete. Even AMD has given up on High end PC products but some people are still in fantasy land and need to be shown the reality.

Can you tell me where it says that AMD will not release the full P11, also 380x anyone?

I'm not insulting him but his recent posts don't paint a glorifying picture, also my preference for AMD or yours towards Nvidia shouldn't be used to judge him.

Some people also said that 1080 FE was a premium product, guess how that turned out?

Yeah no they haven't, just because they don't sell the over priced Titan doesn't mean they've abandoned the high end

 

[Unreal123]

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[Unreal123]

In which case the 1080 is the successor to 980Ti right? Your recent comments amply demonstrate why I said ignorant, you doubling down on the same argument shows you've got very little knowledge about the (recent) history of GPU's!
Can you tell me where it says that AMD will not release the full P11, also 380x anyone?

I'm not insulting him but his recent posts don't paint a glorifying picture, also my preference for AMD or yours towards Nvidia shouldn't be used to judge him.

Some people also said that 1080 FE was a premium product, guess how that turned out?

Yeah no they haven't, just because they don't sell the over priced Titan doesn't mean they've abandoned the high end

GTX 1080 FE turns out to be 2X of RX 480 and 70% more efficient.
GTX 1070 FE turns out to be 50% more faster then RX 480 on DX12 and uses same watt.

What RX 480 turns out be?
A over hype ,which cost beyond $2xx. A card ,which uses more watt then GTX 1070 with 40-50% less performance. That is what it turns out for its price

 

[R0H1T]

GTX 1080 FE turns out to be 2X of RX 480 and 70% more efficient.
GTX 1070 FE turns out to be 50% more faster then RX 480 on DX12 and uses same watt.

What RX 480 turns out be?
A over hype ,which cost beyond $2xx. A card ,which uses more watt then GTX 1070 with 40-50% less performance. That is what it turns out for its price

So you're saying that if the 480 was more efficient then people who bought 1080/1070 should've bought the 480 instead they're not even in the same price or performance bracket!
Tell that to the crowd that bought the 8GB 480 at 200$ Anybody checked already if AIB RX 480 4GB cards actually include 8GB?

 

[Unreal123]

So you're saying that if the 480 was more efficient then people who bought 1080/1070 should've bought the 480 instead they're not even in the same price or performance bracket!
Tell that to the crowd that bought the 8GB 480 at 200$ Anybody checked already if AIB RX 480 4GB cards actually include 8GB?

What i am saying is that stop over hyping.

RX 480 is exactly what it should be and their is no conspiracy theories or anything like that. More and more people hype AMD then more and more disappointment will come and their is no super hidden performance for RX 480 ,which will be on par with GTX 1070.

 

[Bacon1]

Let's see some R7 260X vs RX460

You are ignoring driver updates and game improvements. Heck your own graphs show the 650 TI @ launch @ 33.7 FPS, but in the 260x review it is at 37.7 fps, or already getting a 10% improvement. You have to compare the cards benched at the same place, patch and driver version. Especially when trying to use numbers for an MMO like WoW.

You are also ignoring that the 260x was cheaper and faster than the 650 Ti to begin with. 6% faster while 7% cheaper. And also that the 950 was another 7% more expensive than the 650 Ti.

TLDR? You are comparing them incorrectly. You need to use the same drivers, game patch and testing location. Trying to compare tests years apart and consider them equal is misleading at best.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

At a low level, it might be best to compare Cape Verde and Baffin as they both have the same die size (123mm^2).

Baffin Pro vs Cape Verde Pro means the RX 460 is matched against the Radeon 7750. The results would be far more flattering as the 7750 is about 40% slower than 7790. Furthermore, the 7750 launched at $110, much like the RX 460. Comparing the $150 7790 to a $110 RX 460 isn't as fair, though TPU did review a pricey 4GB version.

GM206 cut vs GK106 means 650 Ti Boost vs 950. The 650 Ti vanilla has cut down memory bus/ROPs/cache like the 970 and 660 Ti. 950 and 650 Ti boost do not, so it's the fairest comparison. To lend more credence, the 950 launched at $160, while the 650 Ti boost launched at $170, which is just as close to the 950 as $150 650 Ti, but the boost is closer at a low level.

 

[R0H1T]

What i am saying is that stop over hyping.

RX 480 is exactly what it should be and their is no conspiracy theories or anything like that. More and more people hype AMD then more and more disappointment will come and their is no super hidden performance for RX 480 ,which will be on par with GTX 1070.

I'm not over hyping anything, since this was directed towards me personally. If you're talking about other AMD followers then clearly you've not paid attention to Nvidia supporters, or do you believe they get a free pass?

Again where's the conspiracy theory, certainly not from me! I'm simply correcting someone who's saying something wrong IMO, that's what you're doing as well right?

 

[mohit9206]

GM206 cut vs GK106 means 650 Ti Boost vs 950. The 650 Ti vanilla has cut down memory bus/ROPs/cache like the 970 and 660 Ti. 950 and 650 Ti boost do not, so it's the fairest comparison. To lend more credence, the 950 launched at $160, while the 650 Ti boost launched at $170, which is just as close to the 950 as $150 650 Ti, but the boost is closer at a low level.

You have a good point.I could have compared 650Ti boost instead of vanilla 650Ti but i didn't for a good reason.The reason is i was comparing progress of AMD and Nvidia over a period of 3 years but 650Ti boost came out in 2013 so it could not be eligible as it was only 2.5 year gap between the two.But even if i took the 650Ti boost

650Ti Boost 2GB($169) vs GTX 950($159)

Performance advantage GTX950 - 36%

Performance advantage GTX950 - 59%
Still GTX950 with roughly 48% advantage over 650Ti Boost in 2.5 years compared to 30% advantage RX460 has over 260X in 3 years.

 

[Erenhardt]

You compare kepler to pascal. Kepler was going against GCN1.0 AKA HD7000.
A $160 HD 7770 would be a viable comparison alternative on amd side.
So 460 is roughly 80% faster at $140 ($110) - 15 to 45% less price. Around 100% progress on the amd side aswell.
Cheers

 

[mohit9206]

You compare kepler to pascal. Kepler was going against GCN1.0 AKA HD7000.
A $160 HD 7770 would be a viable comparison alternative on amd side.
So 460 is roughly 80% faster at $140 ($110) - 15 to 45% less price. Around 100% progress on the amd side aswell.
Cheers

No that's not how it works. I said i was looking at progress in 3 years. 7770 came out in Feb 2012 so that makes it 4 and half years. So yeah you can say it took AMD 4 and half years to double its performance while it took Nvidia 3 years to do the same.
See AMD could have done either of two things with RX460.
Either they could have made made sure it launched at no more than $99 for 2gb and $120 for 4gb or they could have given it more performance to match the 950 in DX11.They didn't do either so now the product looks bad.

 

[Erenhardt]

No that's not how it works. I said i was looking at progress in 3 years. 7770 came out in Feb 2012 so that makes it 4 and half years. So yeah you can say it took AMD 4 and half years to double its performance while it took Nvidia 3 years to do the same.

No. You took a resping of GCN respin. Re-released 7790 in form of 260x on amd side
and plain kepler card on nv side relased on roughly same timeframe.

You are comparing a jump from old tech (kepler) to the latest nv against improved and reworked GCN revision to the latest amd.

650ti was the same kepler gk106 as the original 660 released along hd7000 series. Do you agree?

 

[antihelten]

The 460 is a successor to R7 260

The 2GB $109 460 is the successor to the $109 R7 260.

The 4GB $139 460 is the successor to the $139 R7 260X.

The 460 in the linked graphs is the 4GB version, the 2GB is roughly 15% slower.

 

[R0H1T]

The 2GB $109 460 is the successor to the $109 R7 260.

The 4GB $139 460 is the successor to the $139 R7 260X.

The 460 in the linked graphs is the 4GB version, the 2GB is roughly 15% slower.

Till the time there's no 460x, so if & when it's released the 460x will be a successor to 260x? I'm simply going by the naming convention in AMD's lineup, that & where the 260x & 460 sit in their respective lineup.

 

[mohit9206]

No. You took a resping of GCN respin. Re-released 7790 in form of 260x on amd side
and plain kepler card on nv side relased on roughly same timeframe.

You are comparing a jump from old tech (kepler) to the latest nv against improved and reworked GCN revision to the latest amd.

650ti was the same kepler gk106 as the original 660 released along hd7000 series. Do you agree?

I'm not sure what you're saying but i am not comparing architectures.I only care about how much performance improvement we have gotten from AMD and Nvidia in the same time frame.

The 2GB $109 460 is the successor to the $109 R7 260.

The 4GB $139 460 is the successor to the $139 R7 260X.

The 460 in the linked graphs is the 4GB version, the 2GB is roughly 15% slower.

I agree with this.
However R7 260 was a magical unicorn card that nobody could find just like 4GB RX480.
From Anandtech article

As for the 260, even though it already launched last month, availability and pricing are already sketchy. AMD’s board partners have been slow to take up the 260, and as a result the number of models on the market is very limited, amounting to just a handful in North America. The lack of selection has done no favors for the pricing, leading to 260 prices starting at $125. This is $15 above MSRP – a significant difference for this segment of the market – and just a stone’s throw away from the 260X at current prices

 

[Piroko]

Performance advantage GTX950 - 113%

GTX650Ti launch price 2012 - $149
GTX 950 launch price 2015 - $159

So in 3 years Nvidia progressed roughly 100%

There you have it.You can be the judge yourselves and determine which company has put more effort to progress in the last 3 years.

Your point is valid, but isn't this just as much of a demonstration of how mediocre the 650Ti was in its price bracket (HD7790 leading it by quite a bit at the same price point)? The reason Nvidia released a 650Ti Boost was pretty much because of that, wasn't it?

 

[antihelten]

Till the time there's no 460x, so if & when it's released the 460x will be a successor to 260x? I'm simply going by the naming convention in AMD's lineup, that & where the 260x & 460 sit in their respective lineup.

AMD has (once again) completely changed their naming convention with Polaris. If they had followed the same naming convention as the 200 and 300 series, then the cutdown Polaris 10 would be named R9 480 and the full version would be called R9 480X, instead they are called RX 470 and RX 480.

In other words AMD has dropped the "X" suffix from their naming convention.

 

[Erenhardt]

I'm not sure what you're saying but i am not comparing architectures.I only care about how much performance improvement we have gotten from AMD and Nvidia in the same time frame.

So you are being intentionally dishonest. You took the best case product release timeframe to show nvidia in a better light comparing their jump from obsolate to latest product on the nv side against more modern product to latest product on amd side.

650ti is the same silicon as 2012 gtx660.
boinare is a brand new redesigned 2013 architecture.
Clearly it is apples to grapes vs bananas to oranges comparison on your part

 

[3DVagabond]

So you're saying that if the 480 was more efficient then people who bought 1080/1070 should've bought the 480 instead they're not even in the same price or performance bracket!
Tell that to the crowd that bought the 8GB 480 at 200$ Anybody checked already if AIB RX 480 4GB cards actually include 8GB?

I asked one guy from bits&chips and he said they were 4GB. At least the Sapphire.