Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

[krumme]

Also do we have a clear reason as to why the 14nm GF process is at fault here? Seems like the general consensus is that the process used is the primary cause for the high power consumption..

Compared to Hawaii/Fiji/Tonga, it isn't too bad. Against Maxwell/Pascal however is a different story.

We dont know. Its all speculation.
Amd needs to move those wafers so even if most of the gpu process engineers have been hitting their head on the wall in frustration over the forced move away from what they know at tsmc its just the new reality.
What they have to do is get the most of it. No whinig no complain. Have fun. Lol. Really focussing at something you cant control yourself is a pain and makes you weaker and less influential each day. Its a no go mentally.

 

[Silverforce11]

Or one could also blame the GCN architecture which has NEVER been power consumption friendly especially for the performance parts (regardless of its superior DX12 perf). And its been awhile since AMD made big changes to its uarch like nVIDIA has done the past couple of generations starting with Fermi.

Absolutely not true. If you had any memory of history.

Pitcairn was very efficient.

The 7950 and 7970 was very efficient, actually almost the same as Kepler.

It did not get bad until the Ghz ed came and Hawaii.

Though Hawaii itself, if you compare it's competitor, big Kepler, was actually close. Now Hawaii destroys big Kepler for similar power usage.

With Maxwell, NV had a big leap forward, leaving AMD behind. But Fury & Nano actually brought them back very close. Depending on the review, Asus Fury & Nano beat Maxwell on perf/w.

Even the Fury X vs 980Ti, similar power usage (~235W vs 250W), similar performance. These were all on 28nm at TSMC, the same as NV's GPU.

AMD going to Polaris, enhanced GCN designed for perf/w and they failed.. I don't think it's the architecture when they've shown in the past they can do it. The difference this time is the node.

 

[guachi]

So after reading the reviews.. Kyle was actually on point?

Well, no. Though I suspect there is some self congratulating going on at hardocp.

Barring hefty price reductions/fire sale prices there is little reason to get any card other than a 480 in the (as of last week) $400 or lower segment.

I can't see getting anything cheaper than a 4gb 480 and you might as well not get anything else other than a 1070 or 1080 unless it's on clearance.

 

[DownTheSky]

http://oc.jagatreview.com/2016/06/t...deon-rx480-ke-1-4ghz-dengan-cooler-3rd-party/

Benchmark results (3dmark) of 1.425ghz RX480. They replaced the cooler. The card sits at 63C and the GPU consumes a max of 185W.

 

[krumme]

Rumor is mid July, per Powercolor's Devil cards giveaway date, and Asus Stix & MSI gaming cards were seen and they appear quite good indeed.

This is what Ryan called rather sooner than later.
Whatever the process quality for perf what we get in spades looks to be volume. Good. Its absolutely the most critical part of this launch. Its the difference between disaster and success. And those early signs of aib looks good. Lets hope the best as low volume is a killer and keeps prices up.

 

[sze5003]

Rumor is mid July, per Powercolor's Devil cards giveaway date, and Asus Stix & MSI gaming cards were seen and they appear quite good indeed.

I'll be getting either one of these. Just hope the price isn't above $300. It's odd and may seem stupid but if I'm going to pay over $300 with tax I feel as if I should spend more and get the $399 1070...I know doesn't seem to make sense but oh well.

 

[Silverforce11]

I'll be getting either one of these. Just hope the price isn't above $300. It's odd and may seem stupid but if I'm going to pay over $300 with tax I feel as if I should spend more and get the $399 1070...I know doesn't seem to make sense but oh well.

It does make sense. If AIB cards are $299, just pay extra for a 1070 since the performance gap is worth it.

These custom cards should be no more than $249. Still within the mainstream price range that's affordable for the masses. As soon as you get towards $300, it's mid-range and suddenly you are compared against other cards in this segment.

 

[PeckingOrder]

I'll be getting either one of these. Just hope the price isn't above $300. It's odd and may seem stupid but if I'm going to pay over $300 with tax I feel as if I should spend more and get the $399 1070...I know doesn't seem to make sense but oh well.

actually it makes sense

it's all about value

$300 AIB RX 480 vs $400 AIB GTX 1070

we all know what the better deal is

 

[boozzer]

http://oc.jagatreview.com/2016/06/t...deon-rx480-ke-1-4ghz-dengan-cooler-3rd-party/

Benchmark results (3dmark) of 1.425ghz RX480. They replaced the cooler. The card sits at 63C and the GPU consumes a max of 185W.

woah, so 6+8 for AIB cards could very well be true. more power for 20% oc would be kinda cool. 390 performance lvls + 20% is very, very good. AIBs could fill in the gap that RS was talking about, 250$ - 300$ segment.

actually it makes sense

it's all about value

$300 AIB RX 480 vs $400 AIB GTX 1070

we all know what the better deal is

yea, you somehow have a working crystal ball that gives your answers unlike the rest of us.

 

[Thala]

we all know what the better deal is

I don't know. What would be the better deal?

 

[PeckingOrder]

I don't know. What would be the better deal?

woah I hope I won't get banned for this one, but I haven't found a better expression for this

a polished t*rd vs a great feat of engineering

the p/$ ratio being well in favor of the GTX 1070 at that point


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[boozzer]

woah I hope I won't get banned for this one, but I haven't found a better expression for this

a polished t*rd vs a great feat of engineering

the p/$ ratio being well in favor of the GTX 1070 at that point

240$ vs 450$

 

[PeckingOrder]

240$ vs 450$

we talked about the 300$ vs 400$ scenario, specifically

 

[DownTheSky]

240$ vs 450$

More like $400 vs $550 for the rest of the world.

 

[Thala]

the p/$ ratio being well in favor of the GTX 1070 at this point

Really? How does the hypothetical 299$ AIB RX480 perform then? RX480 does not need much to gain parity p/$ at this price point.

 

[PeckingOrder]

Really? How does the hypothetical 299$ AIB RX480 perform then? RX480 does not need much to gain parity p/$ at this price point.

given AMD seems to have gone way past the p/W sweet spot in their reference design, I wouldn't expect miracles

but you're right, technically, we can't know for sure

 

[sze5003]

It does make sense. If AIB cards are $299, just pay extra for a 1070 since the performance gap is worth it.

These custom cards should be no more than $249. Still within the mainstream price range that's affordable for the masses. As soon as you get towards $300, it's mid-range and suddenly you are compared against other cards in this segment.

We shall see. I don't expect them to be more than $249-260 hopefully. In that case I'll snag one otherwise if they are more than that I'll go the other route.

 

[Thala]

given AMD seems to have gone way past the p/W sweet spot in their reference design, I wouldn't expect miracles

but you're right, technically, we can't know for sure

Yes, they are certainly already far into overdrive voltage region. However i am for instance referring to the fact that you can easily gain 6% performance by just overclocking the memories with the current stock cards, without touching GPU clock. (Because RX480 currently is heavily hold back by memory bandwidth)

Remember for $300 vs $400 GTX1070 would still need to maintain 33% performance lead.

So the question is not 100% clear at this point.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Would like to see them with waterblocks in Quadfire.

 

[boozzer]

we talked about the 300$ vs 400$ scenario, specifically

where did you pull those prices from?

I can make up numbers too. how about 200$ vs 550$? ahahaha

 

[daperl]

woah I hope I won't get banned for this one, but I haven't found a better expression for this

a polished t*rd vs a great feat of engineering

the p/$ ratio being well in favor of the GTX 1070 at that point

This kind of comment just seems like noise. Maybe you should just ban yourself for a while. There's nothing wrong with stepping away from the keyboard. Give it a try.

 

[4ghz]

Anyone else shocked that 4.5 years later AMD still hasn't fixed the multi-monitor power draw?

 

[Mopetar]

That's not true. I'm usually very favorable towards AMD but this is a failure. 14nm FF, such a small chip, should be not chewing 150W during gaming.

I couldn't have said it better. I'll root for AMD for no other reason than I tend to like an underdog, but this release is unacceptable in my opinion.

Multiple reviewers have had cards that draw power above spec in a way that could be dangerous.

It's further disappointing, because if a 232 mm^2 Polaris chip is pulling 150W+ there's no hope for AMD to be competitive with Vega unless something changes. I hope that it's just an issue with GF and that AMD can sort it out, either by changing to a different fab or just waiting for the process to mature.

 

[lupi]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/video-card-reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-review/

AMD's RX 480 thrashes Nvidia by setting a new bar for budget gaming performance

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, no. Though I suspect there is some self congratulating going on at hardocp.

Barring hefty price reductions/fire sale prices there is little reason to get any card other than a 480 in the (as of last week) $400 or lower segment.

I can't see getting anything cheaper than a 4gb 480 and you might as well not get anything else other than a 1070 or 1080 unless it's on clearance.

Since those are the only 14/16 nm cards on the market now, that is pretty obvious. Could well change soon, when nVidia midrange cards come out.