Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

[boozzer]

What a good cooler can do...

http://oc.jagatreview.com/2016/06/t...deon-rx480-ke-1-4ghz-dengan-cooler-3rd-party/

so basically superb hype for the AIBs to come.

 

[BlitzWulf]

I know I'm going to get railed for this but I bought an EVGA SC+ 980ti for $350 today.
I sold my 390X for $260 last week after buying into all the Polaris Hype.
Needless to say I was dissapointed and did not feel that custom boards were worth waiting for.
I also have an X99 system and I'm getting really sick of using my laptop and my phone for everything.
I know people will say I should have gotten a 1070 but I really didn't want to give Nvidia any of my money ,I'm playing with the Idea of finding someone to trade for a Fury X ( which I couldn't find for sale at reasonable prices unfortunately)

 

[SPBHM]

they really need custom boards with more than a single 6 pin for this stuff, the tomshardware test with the stock card drawing up to 86W from the PCIE slot... now that OC card is probably well over 90W

and I previously thought the GTX 950 with no connector using 79W from the slot was high.

 

[Armsdealer]

cheapest 1070 on newegg i found is 430$ + 5$ shipping, have no idea about ur tax situation and oos.

480 are 240$ and 4$ shipping. wait for AIBs to find out how much they cost.

The gigabyte 2x windforce 1070 is 399 at newegg. I bought one when the were in stock yesterday. Sold out in minutes. Unfortunately had to pay taxes and 5 USD shipping. Would have rather bought from b and h who has a 410 USD msi 1070, but it has a blower cooler but no taxes and free shipping to ca

If you're going to buy rx480 and can wait, I would recommend using jet.com. I've bought a ton of stuff off of there and gotten 30 USD off as a "first time" user many times.

(I am a very stingy **** so I like good deals)

 

[Silverforce11]

I know I'm going to get railed for this but I bought an EVGA SC+ 980ti for $350 today.
I sold my 390X for $260 last week after buying into all the Polaris Hype.
Needless to say I was dissapointed and did not feel that custom boards were worth waiting for.
I also have an X99 system and I'm getting really sick of using my laptop and my phone for everything.
I know people will say I should have gotten a 1070 but I really didn't want to give Nvidia any of my money ,I'm playing with the Idea of finding someone to trade for a Fury X ( which I couldn't find for sale at reasonable prices unfortunately)

Dude, $350 for a SC 980Ti is an excellent deal. That's close to 1080 performance right there for cheap.

Unfortunately I can't get any good deals for GPUs over here. So I only had 2 choices: RX 480 or 1070 and the 1070 was double the price.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Can't wait for the AIB versions.

 

[boozzer]

The gigabyte 2x windforce 1070 is 399 at newegg. I bought one when the were in stock yesterday. Sold out in minutes. Unfortunately had to pay taxes and 5 USD shipping. Would have rather bought from b and h who has a 410 USD msi 1070, but it has a blower cooler but no taxes and free shipping to ca

If you're going to buy rx480 and can wait, I would recommend using jet.com. I've bought a ton of stuff off of there and gotten 30 USD off as a "first time" user many times.

(I am a very stingy **** so I like good deals)

edit: nm I found the 400$ windforce. weird how the search for 1070 doesn't show it, it only shows up when you specifically search for the windforce.

 

[boozzer]

I know I'm going to get railed for this but I bought an EVGA SC+ 980ti for $350 today.
I sold my 390X for $260 last week after buying into all the Polaris Hype.
Needless to say I was dissapointed and did not feel that custom boards were worth waiting for.
I also have an X99 system and I'm getting really sick of using my laptop and my phone for everything.
I know people will say I should have gotten a 1070 but I really didn't want to give Nvidia any of my money ,I'm playing with the Idea of finding someone to trade for a Fury X ( which I couldn't find for sale at reasonable prices unfortunately)

you had 390x, 480 was never gonna be an upgrade. you need vega or 1080ti

 

[beginner99]

...are people really freaking out over 40 watts? This must be some kind of joke.

It performs exactly as expected -- roughly 390/GTX 970 levels. It costs $199. People need to take a moment to let that sink in. The fact of the matter is that this card currently has THE BEST perf/$ on the market. Period.

Christ, I have an Nvidia GPU and even I'm surprised at how disappointed everyone here is.

I'm mainly disappointed because it will mean AMD will also have issues on the high-end which means NV can keep jacking up prices in the segment I'm most interested in. NV raises prices and AMD can't undercut them by much because they need expensive HBM2 due to power issues. I mean small Vega should have 0 need for HBM2. GDDR5X should be more than enough put power...


I for sure called a possible issue with power use a while back:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38291417&postcount=77

Yeah, the cooler already looked way to huge for a supposedly 110w card. And if we look at the size of the PCB which is much shorter than the cooler it really looks like an issue with GloFo. AMD probably wanted low power small form factor but then needed to strap on a big cooler.

 

[Silverforce11]

Getting towards 1.5ghz from the reference RX 480!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qk6ug/4chan_uses_a_mounting_bracket_to_mount_a/

Water mod AIO.

I may end up doing that to mine. lol

 

[BlitzWulf]

Dude, $350 for a SC 980Ti is an excellent deal. That's close to 1080 performance right there for cheap.

Unfortunately I can't get any good deals for GPUs over here. So I only had 2 choices: RX 480 or 1070 and the 1070 was double the price.

I feel for you Aussies you get absolutely murdered on prices,that does make me feel much better about my purchase. I figure I'll ride out the death rattle of Maxwell and sell it when something compelling at a reasonable price comes along.

you had 390x, 480 was never gonna be an upgrade. you need vega or 1080ti

I was perfectly willing to accept a side grade with much better power consumption and new features. I'm not as experienced or technologically inclined as some other members on the forum here so when I saw 5.8 Tflops I thought~ 390X at minimum , I really like using 1440P VSR and when I saw how hard the 480 falls off a cliff at 1440p it was a wrap for me .

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Getting towards 1.5ghz from the reference RX 480!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qk6ug/4chan_uses_a_mounting_bracket_to_mount_a/

Water mod AIO.

I may end up doing that to mine. lol

Nice. I wonder where that 9.4 goes among other cards.

 

[positivedoppler]

480 die size is 232 mm^2 with 5.7 billion transistors. 24.57 transistors per mm^2

1070 die size is 312 mm^2 with 7.2 billion transistors. 23.077 transistors per mm^2


1070 has a 34% larger die size.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10446/the-amd-radeon-rx-480-preview/4
If you look at just the DirectX 12 games not taking into account Gamework titles and the soon to be irrelevant DirectX11 titles that AMD probably didn't do much work in terms of Driver support as always, the 1070 is

34.5 % faster on AOS
24.3 % faster on Hitman DirectX 12

 

[BlitzWulf]

Nice. I wonder where that 9.4 goes among other cards.

I overclocked my 390X to 1200/1650 (only stable for long enough to do Steam VR test) when those first 480 tests at 6.3 showed up and I maxed out at 9.3 (5820k@4.5GHz 16gb DDR4 2400MHZ) :sneaky:

 

[DarkKnightDude]

This guy is playing Siege with RX480 and this is what he got. Is 1.2938V ummm normal? Anyone comment on this yet?

 

[3DVagabond]

Comparing used cards to new cards is just silly. I don't doubt that there are some deep sale/used cards that can beat the RX 480 in price/perf. But, these are discontinued models who's supply will be drying up.

If you have to compare used from your comp to new then they've obviously lost.

 

[3DVagabond]

We're all worried about future prospects. AMD has only now achieved parity with Maxwell in performance/watt. What happens when you have a 250W Vega vs a 250W 1080 Ti, both using HBM? How do we fit 2 Vega chips in that small gap between 160W and 250W?

Vega is new again. We don't know where it's going to end up perf/W.

 

[Silverforce11]

This guy is playing Siege with RX480 and this is what he got. Is 1.2938V ummm normal? Anyone comment on this yet?

That's overspec, bios should limit it to 1.15v max.

As for the OC perf, the guy that did 1.425ghz got Fury performance out of it.

But you know the funny thing, it went up to like 183W.

Compared to Nano, there's ZERO perf/w increase.

Jesus could GloFo fail any harder?

 

[linkgoron]

That's overspec, bios should limit it to 1.15v max.

As for the OC perf, the guy that did 1.425ghz got Fury performance out of it.

But you know the funny thing, it went up to like 183W.

Compared to Nano, there's ZERO perf/w increase.

Jesus could GloFo fail any harder?

How do we know that it's GloFo's fault?

 

[itsmydamnation]

That's overspec, bios should limit it to 1.15v max.

As for the OC perf, the guy that did 1.425ghz got Fury performance out of it.

But you know the funny thing, it went up to like 183W.

Compared to Nano, there's ZERO perf/w increase.

Jesus could GloFo fail any harder?

If you ran a fury @ 1.425ghz how much power would it use D:. remember Polaris is only 38% the size.

 

[A_Skywalker]

480 die size is 232 mm^2 with 5.7 billion transistors. 24.57 transistors per mm^2

1070 die size is 312 mm^2 with 7.2 billion transistors. 23.077 transistors per mm^2


1070 has a 34% larger die size.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10446/the-amd-radeon-rx-480-preview/4
If you look at just the DirectX 12 games not taking into account Gamework titles and the soon to be irrelevant DirectX11 titles that AMD probably didn't do much work in terms of Driver support as always, the 1070 is

34.5 % faster on AOS
24.3 % faster on Hitman DirectX 12

This, I also think dx 11 doesnt matter now, dx12 is the future. Maybe next year there will be almost no games that are not optimised for dx 12.

 

[Final8ty]

This.
Even I am surprised at initial sales, we've now passed 1000, because this card is a totally amazing upgrade for 80% of gaming market and even better future proof due to its excellent DX12 performance and 8GB of VRAM.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29716633&postcount=190

 

[Abwx]

That's overspec, bios should limit it to 1.15v max.

As for the OC perf, the guy that did 1.425ghz got Fury performance out of it.

But you know the funny thing, it went up to like 183W.

Compared to Nano, there's ZERO perf/w increase.

Jesus could GloFo fail any harder?

Because the Nano RAM use something like 8W when 8GB GDDR5 require about 40W, 8GB GDDR5X use 20W.

That said the chip supply voltage is too high in respect of what it should be, clearly transistors are out of the favourable frequency/voltage curve even at stock frequencies, to summarize they do not conduct well enough and thus require more voltage to reach the adequate switched currents (or frequency if you prefer).

 

[3DVagabond]

What beating?

Moving on to DX12 and we see AMD’s new architecture really coming into its own against the NVIDIA cards. It absolutely demolishes the GTX 970 across the board (even in NVIDIA-friendly games like Tomb Raider) and even manages to run circles around that once-expensive GTX 980. These tests show Maxwell’s performance in current DX12 applications is nothing short of embarrassing and proves this architecture simply wasn’t designed with these types of workloads in mind.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-24.html

But there are people who think that a 970/980 at the same price as a 480 is a good purchase.
Just because this has forced a price cut by the competition doesn't make those cards good value. They are going to die a fast death just like Kepler did. As of now there's no reason to believe that Pascal's fate will be any different. People who should know better though will keep recommending them.

 

[3DVagabond]

Can you guys remember these people who claimed that Polaris will be better with DX11?

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-24/benchmark-project-cars.html

Nothing has changed. It is still a driver problem with AMD.

Everyone knows Project Cars is gimped on AMD.