Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

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Sonikku

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Are AotS and Warhammer popular games? If yes, I'm not.

AotS from what I understand is a game primarily to show off technology. So it would fall into the second category, a game hopefully representative of future performance.

I remember when Anandtech benchmarked WoW because it was so popular. Basically every card was good in WoW. But that provided useful information to readers.

That was because at the time WoW was limited by CPU more than anything else. That engine has been jerry rigged like a mother buzzer over the past decade and ever since Cata is more GPU limited.
 
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I have a 4gb 480 reference. I'll give some first impressions. Thing is dead silent at idle. At full gaming mode it's still very quiet. Not sure what the big deal is about as noise is definitely not an issue. To me anyways. Having said that temps are going in the high 80s. I've seen a little throttling but it's 1244 usually instead of 1266 or whatever full boost is. I will tell you though that my case situation is worst case scenario for cooling. I have a computer desk that fully encloses my case with little exhaust for the heat to get out. To give some perspective I have a stock voltage 2600k at 3.9ghz that runs into the 70s with a megahalems cooler on it during prime. The 2600k should run at about 60c with the megahalems and any decent desk setup. The 480 is a beast of a card. I'm playing fallout 4 1080p ultra everything full max and it's beasting away into the 80 fps+ average range. I think this is a great card for someone that just likes to throw a card in their system and game away. Its a beast. It's not an enthusiast card though. There will be no overclocking. It might throttle a tiny bit if your case situation isn't ideal. I'm talking 30 or 40mhz and my case situation is the worst. And temps are going to run high. Most enthusiast gamers are going to watch this card like a hawk and it would probably bug them to death it's not running at full boost 100% of the time and it's runs hotter than 60c. If that's you stay away. If you want a $200 card to just plug in and play away without watching afterburner all the time then this is a great card for that guy.
 
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sze5003

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I have a 4gb 480 reference. I'll give some first impressions. Thing is dead silent at idle. At full gaming mode it's still very quiet. Not sure what the big deal is about as noise is definitely not an issue. To me anyways. Having said that temps are going in the high 80s. I've seen a little throttling but it's 1244 usually instead of 1266 or whatever full boost is. I will tell you though that my case situation is worst case scenario for cooling. I have a computer desk that fully encloses my case with little exhaust for the heat to get out. I have a stock voltage 2600k at 3.9ghz that runs into the 70s with a megahalems cooler in it. The 2600k should run at about 60c with any decent desk setup. The 480 is a beast of a card. I'm playing fallout 4 1080p ultra everything full max and it's beasting away into the 80 fps+ average range. I think this is a great card for someone that just likes to throw a card in their system and game away. Its a beast. It's not an enthusiast card though. There will be no overclocking. It might throttle a tiny bit if your case situation isn't ideal. I'm talking 30 or 40mhz and my case situation is the worst. And temps are going to run high. Most enthusiast gamers are going to watch this card like a hawk and it would probably bug them to death it's not running at full boost 100% of the time and it's runs hotter than 60c. If that's you stay away. If you want a $200 card to just plug in and play away without watching afterburner all the time then this is a great card for that guy.
Sounds like it sure does satisfy any 1080p gamer who wants to run their games at highest settings.

Would you say the 4gb model is enough ram? Reason I wonder is I'm going to get an AIB model and with the recent news I saw about the sapphire nitro being close to $300 for the 8gb, I am considering 4gb.

The nitro is 249 pounds which equals to $350 here in US but that also includes VAT so my guess is it would be around $300 maybe $279-89 here. If I have to spend more than $300 I'd rather go upwards toward the $399 1070.

But if the 4gb is enough I could catch a deal on a 4gb aib model.
 
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Sounds like it sure does satisfy any 1080p gamer who wants to run their games at highest settings.

Would you say the 4gb model is enough ram? Reason I wonder is I'm going to get an AIB model and with the recent news I saw about the sapphire nitro being close to $300 for the 8gb, I am considering 4gb.

The nitro is 249 pounds which equals to $350 here in US but that also includes VAT so my guess is it would be around $300 maybe $279-89 here. If I have to spend more than $300 I'd rather go upwards toward the $399 1070.

But if the 4gb is enough I could catch a deal on a 4gb aib model.

I really haven't gamed in a couple of years so the only new game I have is fallout 4. I was watching gpu mem usage and it was using 1.5 to 1.7gb or gpu ram during gaming. I honestly wouldn't pay $300 for a 480. That is too close to the gtx 1070 for my tastes. I would think a nice aib 480 4gb around $220 would serve you well until Vega comes out. I think that's your plan if I remember correctly?
 

sze5003

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I really haven't gamed in a couple of years so the only new game I have is fallout 4. I was watching gpu mem usage and it was using 1.5 to 1.7gb or gpu ram during gaming. I honestly wouldn't pay $300 for a 480. That is too close to the gtx 1070 for my tastes. I would think a nice aib 480 4gb around $220 would serve you well until Vega comes out. I think that's your plan if I remember correctly?
Yup that is my plan for now. Assuming Vega is a big improvement I'll try and sell the 480 and upgrade then again to something I'd likely keep as long as I've had this 7970.

I'm also assuming we will see 4gb aib models. Most of the leaks have been 8gb. Then with the 1060 also releasing pretty much the same time the aib will be out I may have a look at that if the price favors.
 

krumme

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Yup that is my plan for now. Assuming Vega is a big improvement I'll try and sell the 480 and upgrade then again to something I'd likely keep as long as I've had this 7970.

I'm also assuming we will see 4gb aib models. Most of the leaks have been 8gb. Then with the 1060 also releasing pretty much the same time the aib will be out I may have a look at that if the price favors.
I guess vega will be faster than 1080. But at that time nv will have something faster yet. And vega will cost. Its 8gb hbm2. Lower yields to keep efficiency good on a far bigger die. That sounds like 500 usd plus to me. And a low margin product for amd btw.
 

sze5003

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I guess vega will be faster than 1080. But at that time nv will have something faster yet. And vega will cost. Its 8gb hbm2. Lower yields to keep efficiency good on a far bigger die. That sounds like 500 usd plus to me. And a low margin product for amd btw.
When I purchased the card I have now I paid $540 for it. Lasted me 4+ years and I've been happy with it. I have no problem spending that amount if I know it's their top end and I will be using it for a while.

In the current situation, there is no top end that I'm comfortable paying for to keep long term. Only thing I worry about with nvidia is their long term support. They are used to people that do frequent updates and I'm not one of them.
 
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In the current situation, there is no top end that I'm comfortable paying for to keep long term. Only thing I worry about with nvidia is their long term support. They are used to people that do frequent updates and I'm not one of them.

NVIDIA long term support is fine, IMO. AMD cards have historically gotten better with driver updates as AMD learned to wring more out of them and I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that the consoles basically have a ~7870 in them meant that some games wound up more optimized for GCN than Kepler.

Maxwell seems to be a good architecture and Pascal appears to build off of that architecture, so it'll be supported for quite a while.
 
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NVIDIA long term support is fine, IMO. AMD cards have historically gotten better with driver updates as AMD learned to wring more out of them and I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that the consoles basically have a ~7870 in them meant that some games wound up more optimized for GCN than Kepler.

Maxwell seems to be a good architecture and Pascal appears to build off of that architecture, so it'll be supported for quite a while.

Maxwell is actually a bad architecture for modern compute-heavy games. The more compute based effects you pile on, the worse it runs, as you may know, the slow context switch hurts it.

Pascal is already better in this regards with a fast context switch.

Example, Far Cry Primal (neutral non GameWorks) went away with using tessellation-based God Rays & Fur that FC4 (GameWorks) did, they used compute based effects and that's why GCN runs it so well compared to Maxwell. Same engine as FC4! Just a switch to more compute & less tessellation.

If you want to talk about the next few years, will more compute effects be used or less? See, I would lean towards more, since that's the trend.

If it's a compute-heavy future in games, then for certain Maxwell will tank relative to Pascal & GCN.

Btw, I am not talking about Async Compute, which is a different issue.
 

IEC

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I have a 4gb 480 reference. I'll give some first impressions. Thing is dead silent at idle. At full gaming mode it's still very quiet. Not sure what the big deal is about as noise is definitely not an issue. To me anyways. Having said that temps are going in the high 80s. I've seen a little throttling but it's 1244 usually instead of 1266 or whatever full boost is. I will tell you though that my case situation is worst case scenario for cooling. I have a computer desk that fully encloses my case with little exhaust for the heat to get out. To give some perspective I have a stock voltage 2600k at 3.9ghz that runs into the 70s with a megahalems cooler on it during prime. The 2600k should run at about 60c with the megahalems and any decent desk setup. The 480 is a beast of a card. I'm playing fallout 4 1080p ultra everything full max and it's beasting away into the 80 fps+ average range. I think this is a great card for someone that just likes to throw a card in their system and game away. Its a beast. It's not an enthusiast card though. There will be no overclocking. It might throttle a tiny bit if your case situation isn't ideal. I'm talking 30 or 40mhz and my case situation is the worst. And temps are going to run high. Most enthusiast gamers are going to watch this card like a hawk and it would probably bug them to death it's not running at full boost 100% of the time and it's runs hotter than 60c. If that's you stay away. If you want a $200 card to just plug in and play away without watching afterburner all the time then this is a great card for that guy.

Pretty much matches my first impressions of my 4GB cards. At a slight undervolt (likely what AMD will release in a future update) it runs quite nicely for a reference cooler and stays at max boost clock. It's much quieter than the R9 290 reference cards I once had. I thought I was going to strap on some R9 290 coolers I had lying around, but I don't feel an immediate need to since the noise level is manageable, even when mining.
 

3DVagabond

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjT4t1K5BxE&t=6m53s

That reviewer says that in Doom the IQ was much better on the 480 than 970. Any others notice that or even compare them? He prefers to use the lower fps 480 than 970 because it looks that much better.

I don't trust men who wear makeup.

Just kidding. This isn't the first time we've seen or heard of nVidia having lower IQ than AMD recently. Snow, or lack of it, in AotS for example. I'm sure we won't have any big expose articles about it though.
 

gamervivek

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I first noticed it in the last segment on the green machine right in the middle. Went back and it was there on the previous one as well. This isn't even the lower LoD thing that nvidia has.
 

littleg

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Hahaha.
NV is racist and do not render arab textures fully

Same old trick. The Nvidia driver switches to their 'optimised' shaders which screws up the IQ but gets more fps. Apparently every time it happens it's a driver bug. I just find it weird these 'bugs' never result in worse performance.
 

Thala

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I just find it weird these 'bugs' never result in worse performance.

Well NV has to declare it as "bug" otherwise they could be accused cheating.
 

Yakk

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Same old trick. The Nvidia driver switches to their 'optimised' shaders which screws up the IQ but gets more fps. Apparently every time it happens it's a driver bug. I just find it weird these 'bugs' never result in worse performance.

Coincidence, pure coincidence everytime single time it happens I tell you... you believe me right?
 
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