Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

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MagickMan

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Maxwell is actually a bad architecture for modern compute-heavy games. The more compute based effects you pile on, the worse it runs, as you may know, the slow context switch hurts it.

What are some examples of actual "compute-heavy" games?
 
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How are you guys overclocking through wattman? It is only allowing overclocks up to 390mhz on GPU? 300 to 390 mhz is my only gpu clock option.
 

Erithan13

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Remember how the dream of unlocking 4GB cards to 8GB was brutally crushed? It was made pretty clear after all that this 4GB/8GB thing was all just some confusion over review cards having a bios toggle or something. There certainly wouldn't be any 4GB cards for sale to the public that would have 8GB onboard....

.....or is there?

Not that there's many 4GB cards around anyway from the looks of things, but very interesting indeed if this turns out to be a thing.
 

sze5003

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Remember how the dream of unlocking 4GB cards to 8GB was brutally crushed? It was made pretty clear after all that this 4GB/8GB thing was all just some confusion over review cards having a bios toggle or something. There certainly wouldn't be any 4GB cards for sale to the public that would have 8GB onboard....

.....or is there?

Not that there's many 4GB cards around anyway from the looks of things, but very interesting indeed if this turns out to be a thing.
I was just reading reviews on the first page again and some of them stated some reviewers did get 4gb cards but also received software from amd that flashed the card and allowed use of unlocking the 8ghz bandwidth. I think that was the tech guru review. Not sure if this is the case but I wonder what the box says for those that received their 4gb models.
 

JDG1980

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Remember how the dream of unlocking 4GB cards to 8GB was brutally crushed? It was made pretty clear after all that this 4GB/8GB thing was all just some confusion over review cards having a bios toggle or something. There certainly wouldn't be any 4GB cards for sale to the public that would have 8GB onboard....

.....or is there?

Not that there's many 4GB cards around anyway from the looks of things, but very interesting indeed if this turns out to be a thing.

If true, it sounds like they were rushing things a bit (seems to be a theme with the FinFET transition on both sides...)

Was this the first consumer product ever released on GloFo 14nm? I'm trying to get a feel for how far we are in the production process compared to TSMC's FinFET, and how much more improvement can be expected in the coming months.
 

Erithan13

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If true, it sounds like they were rushing things a bit (seems to be a theme with the FinFET transition on both sides...)

It's funny you should mention rushing things, because I was looking back over some old Polaris threads and came across this one from just over a month ago. To cut to the chase we had a 'source' saying the following:

What HardOCP knows from sources inside and outside the company, AMD has a problem on its hands, as both these products have come up significantly short of where these were supposed to land. But that is OK for AMD, it will simply send Chris Hook out to fall on the sword and tell a story of that was the plan all along....to produce brand new parts much slower than its last high end GPUs. In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin. Let the internal finger-pointing begin! The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 launch was a surprise to AMD and it simply does not have a harpoon for Moby Dick this time...again. One could go as far as saying that the potential exists for another R600 moment. Now, I am sure AMD will take every step possible to mitigate this gap but the simple reality of the situation as it stands today is that AMD has a loser on its hands and are going to have to pull every trick in the book to spit-shine the turds, and the fact of the matter is pricing is how you do that. All is definitely not fine in Radeon-land these days.
Now there was a lot to criticise about this, mostly the usual chronic misunderstanding about how Polaris is a mainstream part not meant to be going up against the 1070 etc. And this was roundly dismissed as scaremongering based on FUD anyway. Yet, I now wonder if there was maybe more than just a grain of truth somewhere in there. In particular the high power consumption of the 480 makes me wonder if the 14nm process did fall short of expectations and this was only discovered fairly late on. There also seems to have been a wider than normal silicon lottery at work with the review samples seeing the disparity in power consumption and overclockability etc. I've gotten the sense that something has not gone right or smoothly with 14nm beyond what AMD could anticipate and there's been some last minute tweaking and course corrections for Polaris.

IIRC Polaris was demoed with working silicon at the very start of this year and there were suggestions they could launch it before NV. We know how those predictions turned out, then again in fairness the 480 at least had decent availability at launch compared to the 1080/70 and the founders edition thing. Frankly the prices and availability on Pascal here means it may well have not launched at all for all the hope of getting my hands on one at a decent price. I'm speculating here but I think both AMD and NV have faced similar problems with their respective processes and NV have chosen to launch early for better or worse, while I reckon AMD could have launched sooner than they did but delayed for a while to build up plenty of stock.

This is not even getting into the supply of Polaris chips to Sony for the PS4 and to Apple. There must have been some wild things going on behind closed doors for those deals and we as GPU enthusiasts are only seeing the tiniest bit of it.
 

Abwx

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In particular the high power consumption of the 480 makes me wonder if the 14nm process did fall short of expectations and this was only discovered fairly late on.

They knew from the start the characteristics of the process they were to use, you cant design things on a vaccum, dynamic simulation require to have the transistors electrical characteristics otherwise you cant design anything.

The only (eventual) possibility is that they used an early process like 14nm LPE since one need said parameters to start the electrical schematic design wich is required to be finished before designing the layout, and it takes a lot of time for both these tasks.
 
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IEC

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Remember how the dream of unlocking 4GB cards to 8GB was brutally crushed? It was made pretty clear after all that this 4GB/8GB thing was all just some confusion over review cards having a bios toggle or something. There certainly wouldn't be any 4GB cards for sale to the public that would have 8GB onboard....

.....or is there?

Not that there's many 4GB cards around anyway from the looks of things, but very interesting indeed if this turns out to be a thing.

I have two of the Sapphire "4GB" models. I took them apart, and it turns out they are using 8GB Samsung GDDR5 physically:

8x of these Samsung K4G80325FB HC25 (616):
http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/products/dram/graphic-dram/gddr5-component/K4G80325FB?ia=759
 

96Firebird

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It should, those seem to be 8GHz modules... Wonder if they downclock the memory to keep performance of the 4GB cards lower.
 

sze5003

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It should, those seem to be 8GHz modules... Wonder if they downclock the memory to keep performance of the 4GB cards lower.
If that's the case does it mean all the 4gb models are like that? Or at least all that have been sold? I wonder if the new ones which will be available have been changed.
 

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Over the weekend I sent power color support a question regarding if any of their rx480 models work work on legacy non uefi motherboards and they said No they would not.To me, this does not make much sense due to the proliferation of those type motherboards still active in the field and would probably hurt sales a lot.
 

Stuka87

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Over the weekend I sent power color support a question regarding if any of their rx480 models work work on legacy non uefi motherboards and they said No they would not.To me, this does not make much sense due to the proliferation of those type motherboards still active in the field and would probably hurt sales a lot.

Where are you seeing old BIOS style motherboards being sold still? Can't search myself at the moment, but UEFI has been the standard for many years now. Even my old AMD system was UEFI (Which I built like 5 years ago)
 
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