Damn best buy still saying is in process after a day for my 1440p monitor. If they cancel my order I will be pretty pissed because that's the only reason I'm not ordering either one of these.
Devil is out of stock. That took all of 3 minutes lol
On social media and tech forums, the reason for gamers buying 480 over the similar priced 1060 is always the same: future proofing. Looks like AMD's marketing push for these next-gen API and the Doom w/ Vulkan has really hit home.
I would love to get Raja drunk and try to get out of him whether or not they're disappointed with the GF 14nm process or these are just design limitations with regards to power consumption. AMD packs a lot more under the hood than Nvidia does with compute and ACE's and I wonder if they'll ever be able to approach NVidia levels of efficiency with GCN without cutting things out of the design.
Disappointed with the GF 14nm ?
Man, I'm just a casual reader in this area but from what I remember GF has a partnership with Samsung and they are on second iteration of the 14 nm process while TSMC 16 nm had so many problems that they lost orders from Apple to Samsung.
What ever extras an AMD gpu is packing should only impact the power consumption when used. There is no reason for it to be more power hungry in normal gaming.
What is more plausible:
1. GF/Samsung process is a failure (but still able to push out top mobile chips ...) and is holding AMD back.
2. Could it be in fact that a company that was/is behind in the development curve for years it's only competitive now with the last generation from an competitor just because it's using one of the best processes in the industry ?
And at last, it's the pricing. The only reason AMD is still in this game after years of rebranding stuff it's because they priced their products lower then nVidia. But I'm afraid they failed this time.
RX 480 is slightly better performing then GTX970, has a slight power advantage and it's slightly better priced also. This are all small incremental improvements over the nVidia last generation. Hardly a reason to upgrade.
Meanwhile nVidia moved in leaps ahead.
In the following months, GTX970/GTX1060/RX480 kind of performance will be the bottom of the barrel for new games. Considering this, the pricing is INSANE.
nVidia has little incentive to price reasonably. They have a comfortable lead in performance. The next 2 tiers above (GTX1070 & 1080) are unchallenged and the lower part of the market is still in the same ballpark (price & performance) with their last generation, so there is little incentive to upgrade there.
Now, the DX12 performance.
Most of the people who are on the market for a a budget gaming card, are playing an online game and only need extra gaming power to enjoy from time to time titles like Witcher 3. Mainstream online games are usually slow to upgrade to new DX versions.
By the time DX12 will become mainstream, RX480 will be obsolete.
In my opinion, RX480 should have been priced like RX470 is expected to be.
By the time DX12 will become mainstream, RX480 will be obsolete.
Heard the same BS in 2014, that by the time DX12 games are here, GPUs back then would be obsolete.
Well no. GCN like Hawaii since 2013, still excel at 1080 and 1440p in DX12/Vulkan.
The idea that "by the time more DX12 games arrive, current stuff is obsolete" is utter nonsense.
We're getting a LOT of new major games that are DX12 in the next few months. I don't think current GPUs are suddenly going to be unplayable in that timeframe. Nor for the rest of 2017 and 2018.
Yea, Hawaii will get a special place in the GPU pantheon of cards, 2013 release and it still going strong in 2016 and keep going. You just have to look at 2013 Kepler GTX 780 and 780Ti to appreciate what this Chip have managed to do so far.
According to the chart in your prior post it's now more than twice as fast in Doom, 106fps vs. 47fps. Titan is getting beaten by the 7970.
Some would have you believe that's because AMD had crap drivers before. It's because nVidia has abandoned their customers who they've already made bank on. I would never give them my hard earned money.
Currently im playing Ashes Of The Singularity, HITMAN, Forza Motorsport 6: Apex
Then im going to get Total War : Warhammer and DOOM, late August im getting Deus Ex : Mankind Divided and then I will definitely get Civilization VI, im also waiting to see how Watch Dog II will be in late 2016.
It depends on the game you will play but it does seem that way at least for people on 1080p. Also consider how long you would keep the card too.Now that the dust has settled somewhat... is the RX480 still looking better in the med/long run because of dx12/async? From what I see, certain dx12 benches like Vulkan Doom looks heavily skewed in favour of AMD but not other dx12 games.
Now that the dust has settled somewhat... is the RX480 still looking better in the med/long run because of dx12/async? From what I see, certain dx12 benches like Vulkan Doom looks heavily skewed in favour of AMD but not other dx12 games.
Actually Doom Vulcan is the best example we have of a properly optimized game engine. It runs and looks great on all cards and it's designed to take full advantage of all features of a modern API.
A good example of being skewed is the Time Spy benchmark, which calls itself a DX12 benchmark but does not take full advantage of DX12, it only uses code paths which both companies support. Thus performance is left on the table for the cards with more advanced features.
To answer the question; yes 480 is looking better, how much depends... We are seeing more of both types of games as time goes by, and in both the 480 is improving. In poorly optimized code, or code written with an agenda, the improvements are mild and the status quo is barely threatened. I like to think as dev's get more time/XP the code will improve also, but you'll need a crystal ball to know for sure..
there will always be newbs like the tomb raider devs. they may even be trolls hired to disrupt the raids.Well, how do we increase the devs XP faster so they can level up more efficiently?
Should we send them out to grind 1-3xp bunnies in swarms rather than waste their time on long RAIDs with a small handful of large XP bursts?
:hmm:
that is why you can always suspect foul play, just don't make any claims like you are 100% sure when it is just suspicion.Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained byincompetenceinexperience.
Latest ROTTR patch shows progress in the right direction, at least.
Unfortunately, yes. Sapphire nitro+ 8GB is a little more expensive than most aib OC 1060 where I live. And all are out of stock(rx480 and 1060), while 970 it's on stock at the same price range. My local online retailers are either gold diggers or incompetents.In Europe an RX480 8Gb sells well over 300 euro, vat included. That's insane for a budget card. What ever hype there is now, I don't see it lasting long.
Unfortunately, yes. Sapphire nitro+ 8GB is a little more expensive than most aib OC 1060 where I live. And all are out of stock(rx480 and 1060), while 970 it's on stock at the same price range. My local online retailers are either gold diggers or incompetents.
Or perhaps there's simply enough demand to drive the price up.
That is wishful thinking. In reality the stocks are very low and easy to deplete.