Totally agree, seems like those that wanted a 480 may now just get the 470 instead and save a lot of money if running at 1080p. I'm curious why they chose to make them so close to each other. It's not like you can overclock the nitro 480 by a whole lot either.As expected the Rx 470 is very close to Rx 480 . It looks like the Rx 470 Nitro 8GB is roughly 3-4% slower than ref Rx 480 8 GB which would put it 10-12% slower than Rx 480 Nitro 8GB. If the Rx 470 Nitro 8GB sells for USD 199 it would be a very good product.
470 is only barely behind the 480 performance wise in most situations. Unfortunately, as this review points out, the price is also only barely behind the 470 so there's no sense of better performance per dollar at work. That said this is only one particular 470 at launch so if pricing comes down a bit in the future the 470 will look much, much better.There are no bad graphics cards, only graphics cards with bad pricing. And, well, the Radeon RX 470especially XFXs modelsits in a bad place. Rather than carving out a compelling new market segment, the Radeon RX 470 just plain feels irrelevant at $180 and up.
Theres no question the Radeon 470 is a great graphics cardat least in a vacuum. While it doesnt quite hit a locked 60fps average at 1080p with all the bells and whistles cranked to 11, it comes damned close, and dropping the settings to High easily allows you to clear that gold-standard frame rate. Likewise, the RX 470 can generally hit 40-plus frames per second at 1440p at High or Ultra settings, making it a decent 1440p gaming option (especially if you have a FreeSync monitor to smooth out framerate hitches). Its only a few frames behind a GTX 970 in most games. Heck, it even squeaks into the VR-capable category, albeit only by the thinnest of margins, thanks to the solid-for-Polaris out-of-the-box overclocks of this XFX model. That utterly blows away what the last-gen crop of $150 to $200 graphics cards were capable of!
But the world doesnt exist in a vacuum. And in the real world, the 4GB RX 480 is a major spoiler for the RX 470 given the price of both cards and just how damned good the RX 480 truly is.
With the 4GB 480 supposedly at $200 I was expecting it to be cheaper. 180 makes it the same price/perf.
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/08/04/amds-radeon-rx-470-review/
This is by far the best value GPU I have seen in a long time.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3104...aphics-card-with-a-terrible-price.html?page=1
470 is only barely behind the 480 performance wise in most situations. Unfortunately, as this review points out, the price is also only barely behind the 470 so there's no sense of better performance per dollar at work.
There isn't enough 480 stock to keep the prices in check so everyone is adding a substantial markup. AMD should have dual sourced from both Global Foundries and Samsung because it's apparent that they can't get anywhere near enough supply from just GF.
I don't speak Putin, does that have a dbA measurement?
I don't speak Putin, does that have a dbA measurement?
Edit: nevermind. The computer base review does
This graph actually makes the 480 look bad. 1060 is 9% faster now and uses less power. And in 3 years, the 480 will only be 3% faster. Plus, the 1060 will probably overclock better as well. But honestly, the difference across the board are not really that different. Starting the scale at 80% magnifies the differences.
But honestly, there is too much bickering and bashing by both sides. Both the 480 and 1060 are great cards, as evidenced by the supply problems.
This graph actually makes the 480 look bad. 1060 is 9% faster now and uses less power. And in 3 years, the 480 will only be 3% faster. Plus, the 1060 will probably overclock better as well. But honestly, the difference across the board are not really that different. Starting the scale at 80% magnifies the differences.
But honestly, there is too much bickering and bashing by both sides. Both the 480 and 1060 are great cards, as evidenced by the supply problems.
by the time AMD launches VEGA then Nvidia will be preparing for Volta. It is a hard fact that AMD is not a competition to Nvidia on high end products and HBM 2 will be launching in 2017 H2.anyone else not very optimistic about Vega?
HBM2 will help AMD a little but Nvidia is so far ahead of AMD in terms of power consumption and has released product around 6 months ahead of AMD's schedule
the one potential saving grace is for more games with Doom Vulkan-like performance, but only Doom and to a lesser extent Ashes of Singularity has shown very positive results under GCN so far
I really don't want to see a repeat of the Fury line being released and Nvidia overshadowing it with the 1080 Ti release, but Pascal power consumption doesn't make me very positive about AMD being able to get Vega to be more in line with Nvidia's high end performance & power #s.
anyone else not very optimistic about Vega?
HBM2 will help AMD a little but Nvidia is so far ahead of AMD in terms of power consumption and has released product around 6 months ahead of AMD's schedule
the one potential saving grace is for more games with Doom Vulkan-like performance, but only Doom and to a lesser extent Ashes of Singularity has shown very positive results under GCN so far
I really don't want to see a repeat of the Fury line being released and Nvidia overshadowing it with the 1080 Ti release, but Pascal power consumption doesn't make me very positive about AMD being able to get Vega to be more in line with Nvidia's high end performance & power #s.
anyone else not very optimistic about Vega?
HBM2 will help AMD a little but Nvidia is so far ahead of AMD in terms of power consumption and has released product around 6 months ahead of AMD's schedule
the one potential saving grace is for more games with Doom Vulkan-like performance, but only Doom and to a lesser extent Ashes of Singularity has shown very positive results under GCN so far
I really don't want to see a repeat of the Fury line being released and Nvidia overshadowing it with the 1080 Ti release, but Pascal power consumption doesn't make me very positive about AMD being able to get Vega to be more in line with Nvidia's high end performance & power #s.
HBM 2 will be launching in 2017 H2.
anyone else not very optimistic about Vega?
HBM2 will help AMD a little but Nvidia is so far ahead of AMD in terms of power consumption and has released product around 6 months ahead of AMD's schedule
the one potential saving grace is for more games with Doom Vulkan-like performance, but only Doom and to a lesser extent Ashes of Singularity has shown very positive results under GCN so far
I really don't want to see a repeat of the Fury line being released and Nvidia overshadowing it with the 1080 Ti release, but Pascal power consumption doesn't make me very positive about AMD being able to get Vega to be more in line with Nvidia's high end performance & power #s.
They don't need to beat Nvidia, they need to improve marketshare and increase profits.
They made the decision to focus on sub $300 cards first, which I think was smart.
They appear to be outselling all of Nividias current-gen cards (no source - just what I gather from some of these threads) primarily due to available supply, which I would say is mostly luck.
I don't think they need to beat all of Nvidias products to be successful, but I do think they need to have a presence at the upper end. There are not as many as team green, but there are some consumers that will buy almost anything team red. If AMDs biggest card can only beat the 1080, and is priced appropriately, then that is still a win. Some people will still buy the card and each card will produce some profit and keep the online discussions about future products going.
But pumping out massive quantities of these smaller cards is really the way to go.
Can't take the steam powered survey too seriously as it uses Intel graphics instead of RadeonThose usually follow from having competitive products and being able to market them correctly.
Given their limited resources, this was probably the best move they could make.
Um, no.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Tell me where on here the RX 480 even shows ups. GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 already registering significant share after a short time on the market.
(I bolded the portion that I'm responding to)
Look again at the Steam hardware survey...Fury series doesn't even register, 1070/1080/980 Ti registering in significant quantities. These high end AMD cards just don't sell.