Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[richierich1212]

Why were you cross shopping Ryzen 7 and G4560...
I think that's about all I can take.
Goodnight.

Dry sarcasm. Haha. There's no way I'd build a G4560 system, not with DDR4 at these prices.

I'm waiting for an ITX motherboard to show up. Then my little brother will get this 4790K setup (he's currently rocking an i5-3570K @ 4.2GHz in my old mATX Z68 build).

 

[brandonmatic]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176...-or-why-you-should-never-preorder.html?page=2

Ryzen 1700 gets owned by a 3570k in gaming. 5 year old i5 beats it. I have come to the firm conclusion that AMD went for a deceitful preorder cash grab. Lots of disappointed people right now. No two ways about it. I don't think I can live with myself if I install this thing. I might have to take it back.

Yeah, best not to preorder. But I think Ryzen has a ton of potential. The best part is more choice for consumers - Ryzen is strong enough that you can now legit make a valid decision to trade off lower (but still adequate) gaming performance for higher multithreaded performance and have a pretty well-rounded CPU either way. Personally I think a R5 1600X for $259 sounds great.

 

[brandonmatic]

No, you are not the only one.
Many others, myself included, share your view. You summarized it perfectly, it is a majorly positive release, and you are giving it the right perspective. This is a major accomplishment by AMD.
I would go as far as calling Ryzen a beautifully balanced design. It has a lot of CPU computing power, and has enough to stay right there with the competition in gaming.
Ryzen performance can only go up as time goes by.

I agree. It's amazing that AMD is now actually competing against Intel and has products that many people will actually prefer to what Intel is offering.

 

[brandonmatic]

The sunk cost fallacy

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anxiety-files/201409/letting-go-sunk-costs

Yup. Also maybe the endowment effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect

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[gx_saurav]

Steve @ Hardware Unboxed: "Ryzen 1800X smoother in gameplay than 7700K"

This got me thinking too. Ryzen maybe provides less performance with current immature drivers, but the gameplay is still smooth.

Someone should really downclock a Ryzen CPU to 6C-12T at 3.6/4 Ghz to simulate a Ryzen R5 1600X and then compare to sub $ 300 CPU from Intel like a Core i7 7700 and see how the performance is in games.

With current immature drivers it should be around 15℅ less performance (throwing that number from my ass). This much AMD can match easily with BIOS and firmware updates.

 

[Mockingbird]

I guess what I want to know is this: is Ryzen's poor performance in games something fundamental (i.e. in the microarchitecture) or something than can be fixed by software (i.e. BIOS update/windows update) ?

 

[richierich1212]

Steve @ Hardware Unboxed: "Ryzen 1800X smoother in gameplay than 7700K"

A nice review, and he got to test using the X370 Taichi board.

 

[Shivansps]

What? you are crazy? since when bios update provided big ass cpu performance increase on a regular basics?

Unless there is some big bug over there screwing something really important, no such thing will happen. This is what Ryzen performs in games, just accept it already, R7 Ryzens are not intended for gaming only.

If you want more gaming oriented CPU wait for R3 and R5 Ryzens.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

A nice review, and he got to test using the X370 Taichi board.

He got to 4.1 too, which is apparently a high oc.

 

[gx_saurav]

What? you are crazy? since when bios update provided big ass cpu performance increase on a regular basics?

Unless there is some big bug over there screwing something really important, no such thing will happen. This is what Ryzen performs in games, just accept it already, R7 Ryzens are not intended for gaming only.

If you want more gaming oriented CPU wait for R3 and R5 Ryzens.

Let developers optimise their games for more cores. We can return to this discussion in a year and then see.

 

[richierich1212]

What? you are crazy? since when bios update provided big ass cpu performance increase on a regular basics?

Unless there is some big bug over there screwing something really important, no such thing will happen. This is what Ryzen performs in games, just accept it already, R7 Ryzens are not intended for gaming only.

If you want more gaming oriented CPU wait for R3 and R5 Ryzens.

Have you bothered to read/watch any reviews? Multiple reviewers complained about BIOS issues, especially when it came to memory settings.

 

[alexruiz]

A nice review, and he got to test using the X370 Taichi board.

I think he is the first one doing a review with a board other than Asus CH6, GB Aorus Gaming 5 or MSI Titanium
And for what it seems, he is getting better performance.

 

[Mockingbird]

Let developers optimise their games for more cores. We can return to this discussion in a year and then see.

It's not just about optimizing for more cores.

Intel Core i7-6900K is doing much better (in games) despite having the same number of cores and threads.

 

[Shivansps]

Let developers optimise their games for more cores. We can return to this discussion in a year and then see.

Thats the same thing AMD fans said when FX8150 launched, and then PS4 launched, and here we are...
As long as the main thread concept is still alive and as result there is a big ass overhead for every new thread added, no such thing will happen, a mayor breakthrough is needed here. Do you think it was easy or that "it took a year" to get rid of Single Cores and Dual Cores as gaming kings?

Fun fact, i can make a game that uses, lets say 20 cores, but as long as i need to have a main thread to sincronise that mess, there is a higher chance that that game will benefict more from higher ST perf than the number of cores beyond some point.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Listen to the first couple minutes of this review. The ASUS crosshair was incredibly unstable. He came to the logical conclusion that results were worthless, and used another board.

This is the board most reviewers got too! How much do you want to bet that many of these reviewers didn't bother troubleshooting and just chugged along getting bad results?

 

[Shivansps]

Have you bothered to read/watch any reviews? Multiple reviewers complained about BIOS issues, especially when it came to memory settings.

And thats a big thing why? AMD provided guidelines to workaround them.

 

[gx_saurav]

It's not just about optimizing for more cores.

Intel Core i7-6900K is doing much better (in games) despite having the same number of cores and threads.

Indeed. But that CPU also costs a lot more. Not everyone has unlimited money. We buy with a budget. If i can get 90℅ performance compared to Intel at 50℅ price of Intel then obviously i will go with AMD.

That's the game AMD is playing here and they are winning at it.

 

[gx_saurav]

Thats the same thing AMD fans said when FX8150 launched, and then PS4 launched, and here we are...
As long as the main thread concept is still alive and as result there is a big ass overhead for every new thread added, no such thing will happen, a mayor breakthrough is needed here. Do you think it was easy or that "it took a year" to get rid of Single Cores and Dual Cores as gaming kings?

That's why we have DirectX 12 and Vulcan which are still in its nascent stages. As I said, wait and watch.

You are free to buy Intel of you have the money. Most people don't. Those who buy where every $ matters, AMD provides better performance.

 

[Mockingbird]

Listen to the first couple minutes of this review. The ASUS crosshair was incredibly unstable. He came to the logical conclusion that results were worthless, and used another board.

This is the board most reviewers got too! How much do you want most reviewers didn't bother troubleshooting and just chugged along getting bad results?

I bet the ASRock X370 Taichi is the most stable motherboard.

ASRock is always the one selling boring durable motherboards.

 

[Shivansps]

That's why we have DirectX 12 and Vulcan which are still in its nascent stages. As I said, wait and watch.

You are free to buy Intel of you have the money. Most people don't. Those who buy where every $ matters, AMD provides better performance.

DX12 and Vulkan has nothing to do with it, that just the graphics part. One whould think than having a cellphone class CPU on consoles whould have forced devs to so some heavy MT, they did, those games whould have never run on consoles otherwise, yet, those same games run the same or better on less cores on PC.

BTW i said wait for R3 and R5 Ryzen i see you are in full troll mode.

 

[zinfamous]

First my apologies to the forums and mods for my crying like a baby. I'm done crying (promise) and I'm keeping the CPU. Why? I already know what its like to have an Intel CPU, and to be honest, I kind of appreciate the drama of all this. So, I will look forward to BIOS updates, clever ways to tweak the OS for more performance etc. It might be a slower CPU, but there is this challenge/fun/tweaking factor to this build that the very process of it all is kind of exciting still, so I'm sticking with it. After a year or two if I don't want it, well, then I'll swap it for something else.

can we get some kind of pet food-eating video from you (wearing a diaper, obviously) if AMD manages to surprise you and fix all of these issues?

 

[unseenmorbidity]

And thats a big thing why? AMD provided guidelines to workaround them.

Look at the video I just posted. Steve wrestled with that asus board for 3 days before deciding to chuck it, and all his results with it.

And he still says that he feels it wasn't boosting correctly on any board he had.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

What I need is a $150-200ish Ryzen APU with integrated Polaris or Vega graphics that will blow current gen console out of the water.

 

[Shivansps]

Look at the video I just posted. Steve wrestled with that asus board for 3 days before deciding to chuck it, and all his results with it.

Look, if there is some bug causing huge performance problems AMD whould have delayed the launch, they dint. So there may be issues, that does not automatically means that some bios update gonna come and bring some awesome perf increase. AMD provided guidelines to work around the issues and make sure their CPUs performed as best as possible.

 

[richierich1212]

I just browsed the ASRock website and noticed that most of their AM4 motherboards have not one, but two BIOS updates from today's date. Hopefully the other manufacturers are working just as hard.