Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[lolfail9001]

Damn. There was me preparing to do just that. LoL at 1000fps was my goal. Apparently that'll make me good at it.

Dota 2 at 144 fps is my goal, apparently Ryzen only needs 80 or 120 more right now. Sigh.

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[CatMerc]

It is an uarch fail when communication between 2 pieces of your L3 is limited to 22GB/s in bandwidth, compared to 170GB+ of L3 bandwidth itself.

It is another uarch fail when your drawcall performance sits at Phenom I levels on per clock basis.

Did anyone test drawcall performance on Ryzen? I missed that.

 

[tamz_msc]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-265804/Tests/Test-Review-1222033/

Want to me quote the list of most played games on steam? Also, if you have Dota 2 benchmarks done on Windows, you are welcome to share those, i just know that they perform identically on Windows and Linux.


No, i am saying that these are far from the most played games in the world, even if they are way more popular than stuff like AotS, Hitman or Project CARS. Also, if CS:GO in 4k is CPU bottlenecked at 130 fps, guess what FPS will it have at CS:GO settings.

Let me tell you something - people can play DoTA 2 and CSGO on three-year old laptops, especially DoTA 2. Go to any college dorm and see what I'm talking about. Not competitively, mind you, but that is what many people who play these games use. Consequently, they have very low system requirements, and are hardly the examples that constitute cutting-edge 1440p or 4K PC gaming technology that requires a 1080Ti to show off.

That is why people who play competitively turn settings all the way down to remove GPU bottlenecks, and doing that on Ryzen gives you anything between 250 to 300fps in CSGO, which is considered the sweet-spot. Of course, the i7 7700K will reach 400fps, but it doesn't matter because Ryzen is good enough. You have all the extra cores for streaming if you wanted to, so that is a nice thing to have.

Another thing - Source is almost entirely CPU-bound - which might seem as advantage Intel at first, but I assure you, even a LN2 overclocked Kaby Lake at 7GHz would choke at it if the conditions are right. That Ryzen can deliver good enough frame rates in spite of the deficit in clock speed is all that matters.

Finally saying that people don't 'actually' play GTA V because DoTA 2 and CSGO top the Steam charts is a strawman.
Guess what, the third most played game on Steam is GTA V.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Dota 2 at 144 fps is my goal, apparently Ryzen only needs 80 or 120 more right now. Sigh.

Play it at the 600*480 resolution that you seem to yearn for.

Come May, we'll all be looking at the R7 CPUs as absolutely phenomenal. Patience appears not to be a virtue anymore.

 

[JoeRambo]

Giving it does not seem to have an impact in a lot of well threaded applications, I wouldn't say it will be a bottleneck before we actually see it in action..

"Well threaded" as in Cinebenches, that have each thread working on a piece of own memory with minimal thread contention and communication? What i meant is scaling in dual socket market. Intel needs to check L3 of each chip only, while AMD needs to check L2 of each core and L3 of CCX, that's more snooping stops to me? + Intel has a pool of up to 25MB of L3 cache per ring, when each AMD CCX has just 8MB of local L3 and that one is eviction cache only. That is bound to hurt in some server workloads due to perfect storm of coherency eating into inter-core communications and at same time eating full costs of memory access due to limited L3 caching. Those cases that benefit from large L2, will benefit SKL-X even more.

The penalty seems to be very limited to gaming. In the average cases AMD HT scaling is far superior than Intels. See the stilt benchmarks. (It can also be questionned wether it is HT that is cullprit or your first point... it is not because you modify one parameter (HT on/off) that this might not impact the other bottleneck

Scaling is nice and the only sane way they had to use all those resources they built into chip. What is not nice is penalty and the size of given penalty on ST performance?

True, but on bulldozer it was critical since it performed bad. For Ryzen the worst cases seem to indicate good performance instead of superior. So even without any fix, Ryzen will not bottleneck gaming, will still be far superior in its price class for many applications while being competitive in those it does 'badly'. Not sure if you can speak ill about such a design.

I never said anything about it being bad, when in fact it deserves praise. It's AMD's prelaunch hype and silence about weaknesses that deserves negative words.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

GTA V works on an A10-7300 @ 30fps with min settings.
If you're only interested in playing the game, and not admiring the scenery, then the CPU is the least of your problems.

 

[lolfail9001]

Did anyone test drawcall performance on Ryzen? I missed that.

The Stilt did in his thread. Sits about Phenom II level, unless R9 Nano is somehow different from every other GCN GPU.

Let me tell you something - people can play DoTA 2 and CSGO on three-year old laptops, especially DoTA 2. Go to any college dorm and see what I'm talking about.

Yes, i know, i am in college dorm . Does not mean i am going to settle for anything below 60 mins.

Consequently, they have very low system requirements, and are hardly the examples that constitute cutting-edge 1440p or 4K PC gaming technology that requires a 1080Ti to show off.

But they are the proper example of game where sustaining high FPS is hard PRECISELY due to CPU limitations. While in the same time having large enough playerbase that you can bet it has more people interested in performance playing it than most AAA titles.

That is why people who play competitively turn settings all the way down to remove GPU bottlenecks, and doing that on Ryzen gives you anything between 250 to 300fps in CSGO, which is considered the sweet-spot.

I don't play CS:GO myself, but anyone who ever talks about CS:GO considers the sweet spot 300 fps minimums, not anything below, from what i am reading.

 

[french toast]

Of those games? You're words here, mate.

You are exactly right: majority of people are happy with pentium or i3 or even laptops. Ryzen is not for those people either, right now. We are not majority of people, hence why we are talking about high end Skylakes and Ryzens.


You will have a point only if you prove that most people buying AAA games have HEDT rigs. We're tied, as such.

LOL! Ok we are getting somewhere although it has been a hard slog.
You now agree that ryzen/HEDT processors are not a sensible match for moba games and CS; GO, so why the hell have you spent pages arguing that ryzen is rubbish for such games and amd lied to us all?
You are the only one who made that claim, you are the one who brought the steam survey into the discussion, i never said the majority of people play AAA games on HEDT rigs, AMD never marketed ryzen as playing moba games at 100fps, so they never lied did they?
Those are strawman arguments.

What AMD DID say and show is ryzen would not be a bottleneck in 4k gaming, whilst being comparable in performance in everything else for a significantly lower price.
All reviews and data back that up.

What i and others are trying to say is a R7 1700 can offer comparable gaming performance and perhaps better perf/$ to a 7700k when both overclocked, as both the processor and mobo are cheaper in most countries, this is backed up with joker productions review on a different bios to other reviews, although results vary from game to game/your usage.
Amd have stated the bios is getting fixed and their SMT is not working properly in games, this has been somewhat verified by benchmarking with smt turned off, its likely not the only issue though, with the way the cache works it is bottlenecking somewhere, that will need a fix.

Regardless you dont buy 8 core processors for casual gaming thats dumb,buy a 70$ pentium, likewise if you want crazy fps at 1080p buy a i7 6700k for 260$ or wait for 1600x, amds dedicated gaming processor.
If you want a cheap powerful jack of all trades buy a R7 1700, which is exactly what AMD has marketed it as.

Edit; I have never seen a 300hz monitor in my life! They might exist somewhere but that is surely scraping the barrel of ultimate far out nicheness just to bash AMD, come on stop this nonsense please.
Edit; spelling and context.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

in the big core count wars at stock frequencies the 1800X beats all Intel 10/8/6 core X99/X79 setups....

 

[tamz_msc]

The Stilt did in his thread. Sits about Phenom II level, unless R9 Nano is somehow different from every other GCN GPU.

Yes, i know, i am in college dorm . Does not mean i am going to settle for anything below 60 mins.

But they are the proper example of game where sustaining high FPS is hard PRECISELY due to CPU limitations. While in the same time having large enough playerbase that you can bet it has more people interested in performance playing it than most AAA titles.

I don't play CS:GO myself, but anyone who ever talks about CS:GO considers the sweet spot 300 fps minimums, not anything below, from what i am reading.

Here you go:

even with the SMT and latency issues Ryzen is up to the task in DoTA 2 according to your requirements, and good enough in CSGO.

And the CPU behavior of CSGO and DoTA 2 is a limitation of the Source Engine, not just the CPU. In fact, I play Insurgency, which is probably the best-looking Source engine game - and even the i7 7700K at maximum overclocks will not prevent fps drops from 200 to 100 in some gameplay scenarios.

 

[psolord]

I wonder if Nvidia's driver team can actually help Ryzen to perform even better. I mean AMD's SMT is new and maybe they can mold it into their benefit in order to have better driver threading or something?

 

[Whitestar127]

Just tossing this out there.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176...-or-why-you-should-never-preorder.html?page=2

 

[Crumpet]

Never understood why people listened to PCworld...

 

[OrangeKhrush]

*owns a 5960X with 980ti's in SLI, must go home and play 1080P*

 

[lolfail9001]

You now agree that ryzen/HEDT processors are not a sensible match for moba games and CS; GO, so what the hell have you spent pages arguing that ryzen is rubbish for such games and amd lied to us all?

No, i claim that until you prove that only people with $2k rigs play AAA games, i have no need to illustrate that only people with i3s and below play mobas and the like.

What AMD DID say and show is ryzen would not be a bottleneck in 4k gaming, whilst being comparable in performance in everything else for a significantly lower price.
All reviews and data back that up.

Yes, G4560 would also not be a bottleneck in 4k in AAA games on anything short of Titan XP, while being as good as ryzen at everything else, assuming you only do browsing and gaming. At dirt cheap price. See how that works?

What i and others are trying to say is a R7 1700 can offer comparable gaming performance and perhaps better perf/$ to a 7700k when both overclocked,

That it does not. If you said "without overclock" then yes, 1700 is better value than 7700k for GPU limited gaming. But the minute you add "with overclock", you are in the wrong.

Regardless you dont buy 8 core processors for casual gaming thats dumb,buy a 70$ pentium, likewise if you want crazy fps at 1080p buy a i7 6700k for 260$ or wait for 1600x, amds dedicated gaming processor.

1600X won't clock a penny better than 1800X or 1700 from same batch of wafers, did you see The Stilt's chart? Oh yes, you did.

If you want a cheap powerful jack of all trades buy a R7 1700, which is exactly what AMD has marketed it as.

AMD marketing tried to sell it as CPU targetted at enthusiasts and gamers, when in reality, it is just another server/laptop reject (literally, you do not create CCX design for products that are not NUMA aware and never were), but not even on the over the top platform Intel's X platforms are. It is still cool (literally), does compilation well and costs fairly little for me to get it sometime later.

But damn, i am getting fed up with AMD's misleading marketing.

Edit; I have never seen a 300hz monitor in my life! They might exist somewhere but that is surely scraping the barrel of ultimate far out nicheness just to bash AMD, come on stop this nonsense please.

Input lag, man, input lag.

even with the SMT and latency issues Ryzen is up to the task in DoTA 2 according to your requirements, and good enough in CSGO.

Up to the task in Windows, it is.

And the CPU behavior of CSGO and DoTA 2 is a limitation of the Source Engine, not just the CPU. In fact, I play Insurgency, which is probably the best-looking Source engine game - and even the i7 7700K at maximum overclocks will not prevent fps drops from 200 to 100 in some gameplay scenarios.

Dota 2 and CS:GO use different Sources.

 

[french toast]

*owns a 5960X with 980ti's in SLI, must go home and play 1080P*

Woah, hold your horses there cowboy, Don't you feel you are putting unnecessary strain on those gpus?
Warcraft 3 needs more cpu horsepower than that for 600p 370fps.
#facepalm.

@Lolfail9000. You will be pleased to know i give up, yes you have won, you have slowly ground me down with your strawmans and fud that i have no choice but to waive the white flag.
Hopefully someone else will rise to the challenge.
You lived up to your username, Don't let anyone tell you different.

 

[Cakefish]

Nobody-nobody- puts together a beefed up enthusiast PC to blindingly focus in on gaming and nothing else.

Speak for yourself. I only need it for gaming. I don't edit videos or photos, do any 3D rendering, do any number-crunching tasks, complex modelling, running virtual machines, spend all day opening compressed files, or anything really other than pure gaming.

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[Puffnstuff]

This is going to hurt people to hear because a lot of people were expecting AMD to bring them a gaming CPU. AMD gave them the exact CPU they said they would

Well AMD was the one showing off gaming benchmarks with the Ryzen not us.

 

[Crumpet]

Speak for yourself. I only need it for gaming. I don't edit videos or photos, do any 3D rendering, do any number-crunching tasks, complex modelling, running virtual machines, spend all day opening compressed files, or anything really other than pure gaming.

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Then all you really need for TODAY is an i5 6600k/7600k

 

[leoneazzurro]

No, i am saying that these are far from the most played games in the world, even if they are way more popular than stuff like AotS, Hitman or Project CARS. Also, if CS:GO in 4k is CPU bottlenecked at 130 fps, guess what FPS will it have at CS:GO settings.

Are you joking? Overwatch has about the same player number than CS and BF1 is anyway in the top 20 most played games in the world.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Anyways there are internal complaints inside some of the motherboard venders as to why commercial benchmarks are differing to the extent of being extreme to in house tests. One plausible explanation is that these "expert reviewers" started doing benches after 22/2 and completed them, then didn't feel bothered enough to run the very late bios updates but rather take to twitter and bitch about how difficult their life is, playing on computers all day long for a job.....I feel their pain, I spend about 6 hours a day in a Court room, then I sometimes work until late night to stay up to date. So sorry to hear about their troubles.

I will be perusing some independent tests to see why there is utter confusion.

 

[tamz_msc]

Up to the task in Windows, it is.

Dota 2 and CS:GO use different Sources.

That some serious contradiction right there, just a few posts back you claimed that DoTA 2 performed the same in Windows and Linux. Linux is better from what I've seen but I don't think Valve is concerned with supporting Linux with a new CPU architecture at launch.

I can assure you that things aren't any different in terms of performance after the Reborn update.

 

[tamz_msc]

Speak for yourself. I only need it for gaming. I don't edit videos or photos, do any 3D rendering, do any number-crunching tasks, complex modelling, running virtual machines, spend all day opening compressed files, or anything really other than pure gaming.

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Intel is waiting for you to give them your money.

 

[Cakefish]

Then all you really need for TODAY is an i5 6600k/7600k

Yes, I have a i7-6700K, so I might not need to upgrade for a while.

I was just disputing the argument that no one could possibly build a powerful PC primarily for gaming.

I think Ryzen is a great start. Just because it loses out in gaming doesn't mean it's DOA, far from it. BIOS updates and Windows patches will help improve gaming performance. And AMD crushes Intel on workstation stuff. Anything above a i7-7700K in Intel's lineup is pretty much dead and buried now.

In fact, I think this is perfect. There is a nice balance being struck between AMD and Intel; pros and cons on both sides. Equally balanced; that's best for the market, where the effects of competition are best exemplified.

For now;

Intel: pure gaming
AMD: everything else (including if someone needs gaming along with the other things)

Now it will be interesting to see what AMD can do with Vega, as unlike Intel, NVIDIA has not been laying dormant.

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[Olikan]

So... at the end both Intel and AMD are not in the good path due HT?

mmm... yeah!

but amd's HT is in a very, very bad shape