After everything you have read about bugged bios and scheduler issues in windows and SMT/cache optimization in games you are going to base your ipc measurements off of that? Very objective of you.
After everything you have read about bugged bios and scheduler issues in windows and SMT/cache optimization in games you are going to base your ipc measurements off of that? Very objective of you.It only matches broadewell in MT. A well clocked 2600K matches it games.
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Bulldozer logic 2.0.
On AMA they said it's "strictly CPU scheduling within the game" .AMD PR not getting that it's AMD's fault that it doesn't run games well. It's CPU deficiency if it doesn't run current generation code well.
Bulldozer logic 2.0.
4.5 GHz SB would match 4.3GHz IvB, which would match 4.0GHz Haswell which would in turn match 3.7GHz Skylake. I made those numbers up off the top of my head, but you get the drift. As long as you are GPU-bound that is. So what's your point?It only matches broadewell in MT. A well clocked 2600K matches it games.
At this point I would not exclude the possibility of the issues being both scheduling-related and due to unoptimized game code. The only thing one would wish now is that it gets resolved via a Windows update that fixes the scheduling, that would arrive in a timeframe that is less uncertain than changes to game code.
Hardware.fr added SMT OFF benchmarks for games in their review:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-21/indices-performance.html
Stock Vs stock, 1800X is 14% slower than 7700K and 11% slower than 6900K.
So much for Ryzen being a "poor" gaming chip. FUD is strong these days.
I think I saw Lisa Su address a similar question somewhere lower down the list, where the answer was not as concerning as this one sounds.Thats what the AMD PR guy should have said,but flatly said it wasn't a windows issues,hence making it sound like more of a bigger issue overall,that a windows update would not help solve to a degree.
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That poster registered on Ryzen launch day and is named blue skies .That is the poorest analogy I've ever seen anybody come up with.
That won't work here - the post-truth era has begun to work its magic.Hardware.fr added SMT OFF benchmarks for games in their review:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-21/indices-performance.html
Stock Vs stock, 1800X is 14% slower than 7700K and 11% slower than 6900K.
So much for Ryzen being a "poor" gaming chip. FUD is strong these days.
Should be much better at handbrake ~
That won't work here - the post-truth era has begun to work its magic.
Why don't you put your money where your typing is and buy one for us to see?Comments like this do little to prove you are the objective voice of reason.
Yes, it was all due to how they handed the launch - they invite the press on the 22nd and give them 8 days to do their testing, when the board partners had only just started testing three weeks prior to that. Thus the likes of ASUS, GIGABYTE, AsRock, MSI were under immense pressure to deliver review boards to the media, which just about worked with a ton of issues to boot.But it shows that AMD PR was asleep again just like with the crap cooler on the R9 290X and the QC issues with the Fury X.
If they had been up front about the lack of optimisation with SMT,most reviewers would have had numbers for both scenarios.
Review sites which tested with SMT off,have done AMD a great service TBH!
I read the Ars headline when their article went live. It was BuzzFeed-level clickbait.
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Well, it seems likely that RyZen will improve when drivers and BIOSes get ironed out.
It does not have broadwell IPC, it does have skyline like SMT. That is impressive.4.5 GHz SB would match 4.3GHz IvB, which would match 4.0GHz Haswell which would in turn match 3.7GHz Skylake. I made those numbers up off the top of my head, but you get the drift. As long as you are GPU-bound that is. So what's your point?
The MSI board was delivered with BIOS version 113, until last Friday a new one appeared.
Version 117, which is still up-to-date, improved speed and stability. If we were still able to count on sporadic Bluescreens with the older UEFI, the board is currently stable. Much more important, however, is the drastically higher performance in games and the real pack with 7-Zip. The release notes include, among other things, a fixed problem with the memory act and its timing as well as the voltage.
Compared to the original bios, the new UEFI increases the image rate in our game course between plus 4 and plus 26 percent, on the average even plus 17 percent!
Yes, it was all due to how they handed the launch - they invite the press on the 22nd and give them 8 days to do their testing, when the board partners had only just started testing three weeks prior to that. Thus the likes of ASUS, GIGABYTE, AsRock, MSI were under immense pressure to deliver review boards to the media, which just about worked with a ton of issues to boot.
Certainly this could have been avoided.
SMT that we have to turn off for now?It does not have broadwell IPC, it does have skyline like SMT. That is impressive.
It has SMT that's superior in throughput in most cases to Skylake SMT. For some reason however, it kills performance in games specifically.It does not have broadwell IPC, it does have skyline like SMT. That is impressive.