Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[PPB]

Seems so, not bad for 65-70w ay?

Indeed its good, but im trying to figure out if the 40 bucks difference im getting between 1700 and 1700x in my country is worth it, cobsidering you lose almost all power efficency at idle just by overclocking (imo a bad move, not even intel is this asinine regarding compromises to oc, its almost like non k skylake overclocking). I was going for a 3.5/3.6 oc, if 1700x all core boost to that, i would prefer the insane low idle power non overclocked. I can even go full hobo and pair it with a b350 or b300 itx without fancy vrm and be done with it,as anythibg besides 3.6 is bad in the power efficiency curve to clock/voltages.

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[french toast]

It's extremely disappointing. I was hoping that Ryzen would make the draw call jump, but no. I'm hoping that the SMT & BIOS & OS issues have a cumulative effect, which gives it such a bad score. Not holding my breath though, it scores exactly like a Phenom II running Win 10.

Now that I think about it, that's probably why we're not seeing remotely competent framerate benchmarks. Focusing on average & maximum fps, rather than minimum framerates in the most intensive areas, will avoid making Ryzen look extremely bad.

Getting drawcall results to compare across uarches has been an incredible thing you have done, very useful.
I kind of think it will be an optimization, bulldozer/phenom bad drawcall performance reflected to performance difference between the competing uarches am i correct? Athlon was closer/better than intel in this area when they had the better uarch?
Ryzen is broadwell like, so when optimized i would expect similar perf, both uarches are similar from a high level.

 

[zinfamous]

Well, the SMT issue bothers me somewhat more than the rest because I kept reading how much better AMD's SMT was than HT.

Now you tell me it needs to be turned off until we get a solution.

For gaming. I seem to recall HT has long been terrible for gaming with Intel as well and only recently it is less of a hit to gaming.

SMT is obviously a generation or two beyond what Intel can offer with their HT when it comes to multithreaded applications. It effectively buries Intel where it is supposed to.

Nothing has changed, as this function is basically working within the same parameters that it always has. For some reason, Intel always gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their obvious shortcomings. AMD is always expected to be Jesus, for no reason whatsoever.

 

[PingSpike]

Plus even they said the windows updates would take a few weeks.

I realise AMD needs to have sales,but waiting a month would have made more sense and gained them more sales.

On the other hand, with the cumulative updates where one bad apple spoils the whole bunch, like last month: http://winsupersite.com/microsoft/microsoft-delays-february-patch-tuesday-updates-until-next-month they may have ended up late and still been broken anyway. For all I know the SMT fixes were in the feb pack.

 

[french toast]

Hi can i ask you a serious question? how bad must your life be, that you felt the need to make an account just to come to these boards and troll a piece of technology? Did AMD personally do something to you? i am trying to understand your mind and emotional state, you can get help, if you live in the UK you can call The Samaritans - 116 123, they have plenty of people professionally trained to help people like you.

Go easy on him/her, its obviously a juvenile, probably got hold of dads laptop or something, it happens.

 

[french toast]

Indeed its good, but im trying to figure out if the 40 bucks difference im getting between 1700 and 1700x in my country is worth it, cobsidering you lose almost all power efficency at idle just by overclocking (imo a bad move, not even intel is this asinine regarding compromises to oc, its almost like non k skylake overclocking). I was going for a 3.5/3.6 oc, if 1700x all core boost to that, i would prefer the insane low idle power non overclocked. I can even go full hobo and pair it with a b350 or b300 itx without fancy vrm and be done with it,as anythibg besides 3.6 is bad in the power efficiency curve to clock/voltages.

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Agreed, 3.5ghz seems to be the cut off point.

 

[MajinCry]

Getting drawcall results to compare across uarches has been an incredible thing you have done, very useful.

I kind of think it will be an optimization, bulldozer/phenom bad drawcall performance reflected to performance difference between the competing uarches am i correct? Athlon was closer/better than intel in this area when they had the better uarch?

Ryzen is broadwell like, so when optimized i would expect perf, both uarches are similar from a high level.

I actually checked age old benchmarks that compared Conroe to Athlon 64 X2. And the reason why we recall the Athlon being fairly close in games, is that the early Core 2's were lower clocked. Once we started getting 3.4ghz C2D's, AMD didn't fare so well.

Not the best benchmark, as the Imperial City Market District will bring your framerates to the low twenties (if you're running an AMD CPU, at least), but it shows Intel's draw call performance scaling up with frequency. As we saw on my thread, AMD's draw call perf doesn't really scale up at all.

 

[french toast]

I actually checked age old benchmarks that compared Conroe to Athlon 64 X2. And the reason why we recall the Athlon being fairly close in games, is that the early Core 2's were lower clocked. Once we started getting 3.4ghz C2D's, AMD didn't fare so well.

Not the best benchmark, as the Imperial City Market District will bring your framerates to the low twenties (if you're running an AMD CPU, at least), but it shows Intel's draw call performance scaling up with frequency. As we saw on my thread, AMD's draw call perf doesn't really scale up at all.

yes but conroe was a better uarch which emphasis my point.
If you were to compare prescott however...
Ryzen ~ broadwell .

 

[USER8000]

On the other hand, with the cumulative updates where one bad apple spoils the whole bunch, like last month: http://winsupersite.com/microsoft/microsoft-delays-february-patch-tuesday-updates-until-next-month they may have ended up late and still been broken anyway. For all I know the SMT fixes were in the feb pack.

AMD said the patches would be released in a month by MS. Its in the comment section of this review:

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-processor-review_191753

You hit the nail on the head on all your comments. I really wish the Windows drivers were ready before we were given the parts to review. Instead we got a statement 24 hours before launch from AMD saying that they'll be coming in 30 days if all goes well. Game optimizations will be hit or miss when they come, but they appear to be coming. That takes time though and we'll see what happens.

I put it in the conclusion on the last page. The quote came direct from AMD's John Taylor. There was talk of it coming with Ryzen 5 and then they said 'in the next month' in an official statement that was e-mailed out last night.

 

[moonbogg]

In regards to gaming ASUS in particular, and MSI to some extent. It explains why reviewers such as Joker, Crit, UFDiciple, and TechDeals had far better gaming performance.

Golem.de in Germany had this to say in regards to their MSI motherboard.

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...ndlich-zurueck-1703-125996-4.html&prev=search

I am hoping that this is what it seems, but I remain skeptical. There should certainly be benchmarks to reflect this huge gaming performance uplift resulting from the new BIOS, correct? It also conflicts with what AMD themselves said about game code optimizations being the culprit. I'd love to see some comparative benchmarks to prove this BIOS fix is legit. Hopefully this is just a big screw up with an easy BIOS fix, but until the evidence comes in, well, what else can be said?
If it really is just a BIOS fix, then Intel really is in a very tight spot as soon as Ryzen 6 cores start going out in prebuilt gaming rigs all across the globe for a LOW LOW price. It seems AMD is so close, depending on if this is a BIOS issue or not. Why I say that? Its because perception is critical. The actual benefits of 20% more gaming performance is basically lost on most people, but the perception it would give would be a winning ticket, and without it...well, this could be the difference between success and failure in the consumer market IMO.

 

[allisolm]

Blue Skies is gone. Please stop reporting his posts.

 

[Despoiler]

Joker testing @ 720p lowest settings. 1700 @ 3.9ghz vs 7700k @ 5.0ghz. IMO the results are completely inline with clock speed differences. You can also quite clearly see what games have really good threading and which ones are subpar. Hint the ones with good threading AMD is really close.

 

[Glo.]

In regards to gaming ASUS in particular, and MSI to some extent. It explains why reviewers such as Joker, Crit, UFDiciple, and TechDeals had far better gaming performance.

Golem.de in Germany had this to say in regards to their MSI motherboard.

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...ndlich-zurueck-1703-125996-4.html&prev=search

Now this thing made me furious. AMD. You better next time do not f*** up the launch.

I know AMD did not wanted to spoil the leaks, so they did not gave any of the game developers CPUs to optimize the game performance, but dear god, this is atrocity.

 

[PhonakV30]

Joker testing @ 720p lowest settings. 1700 @ 3.9ghz vs 7700k @ 5.0ghz. IMO the results are completely inline with clock speed differences. You can also quite clearly see what games have really good threading and which ones are subpar. Hint the ones with good threading AMD is really close.

Yes.average utilization on both are different.

 

[USER8000]

Now this thing made me furious. AMD. You better next time do not f*** up the launch.

I know AMD did not wanted to spoil the leaks, so they did not gave any of the game developers CPUs to optimize the game performance, but dear god, this is atrocity.

So to not to spoil the leaks they spoiled the final gaming performance in reviews. Own goal.

 

[NesuD]

Thankyou, now if AMD had just delayed 1 week until mobos got this update we could have avoided this mess.
Stupid AMD.

Or ....... we could all wait 30 days and then revisit it all. That's what I am doing. will not even think about ordering anything until next month.

 

[Agent-47]

Joker testing @ 720p lowest settings. 1700 @ 3.9ghz vs 7700k @ 5.0ghz. IMO the results are completely inline with clock speed differences. You can also quite clearly see what games have really good threading and which ones are subpar. Hint the ones with good threading AMD is really close.

whats interesting is that the lower FPS is not due to a CPU, as the CPU utilization on Ryzen was nowhere near 100% on any given thread. As suggested, the games are not optimized.

 

[otinane]

I don't know if you guys have spotted this, but shows some wonderful results for 1700X in Linux, with various production benchmarks

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

 

[Agent-47]

amd gave 3 weeks for mobo makers to get the bios sorted, thats not nearly enough time, chances are the bios on all boards will improve in one week.

its a two way street. while you are correct, its good that its out now. as it gets more exposure it will bring out issues quicker and the software devs will start to optimize the codes for it.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Well I'm certainly glad that Ryzen turned out to be a contender. It feels like maybe a win for AMD considering how good it is for productivity applications. There are plenty out there who will buy them for that after all.

The gaming side is unfortunate though. For me it only served to highlight just how strong the 7700K is for the money intel is asking for it. I'm pretty sure I'm going intel again this round because of that.

 

[NesuD]

whats interesting is that the lower FPS is not due to a CPU, as the CPU utilization on Ryzen was nowhere near 100% on any given thread. As suggested, the games are not optimized.

Exactly!

 

[inf64]

I don't know if you guys have spotted this, but shows some wonderful results for 1700X in Linux, with various production benchmarks

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

Yep it has been posted before, great performance from Ryzen on Linux. Look at those dual socket SB systems, Ryzen is all over them

 

[moonbogg]

Joker testing @ 720p lowest settings. 1700 @ 3.9ghz vs 7700k @ 5.0ghz. IMO the results are completely inline with clock speed differences. You can also quite clearly see what games have really good threading and which ones are subpar. Hint the ones with good threading AMD is really close.

Watching the games actually being played makes the differences seem much less important. Seeing those difference on charts in the form of mins and averages makes it LOOK far, far worse than it ends up being in the real world. One thing to note is when turning details to low, it can remove some CPU load due to less details being processed. Not to nitpick, but I would have left the details cranked and dropped the AA and used the 720p like he did. Still though, this is a good showing for the 1700. I say clock the thing to 4ghz, throw in some 3200+ ram and watch it go. For $330, that chip is pretty ridiculous considering it matches a 6900K in other metrics. I feel like my head is going to explode.

 

[Agent-47]

has anyone seen any report if the Ryzen chips overclock higher on 6c12t (by disabling two cores from Bios, if that is at all possible.)

Base on the Stilts results, 3.5 Ghz is the sweet spot for 8 core, but I am hoping that will improve with less core in the equation.

Spoiler: http://i.imgur.com/8Rch6JF.png

 

[french toast]

Well I'm certainly glad that Ryzen turned out to be a contender. It feels like maybe a win for AMD considering how good it is for productivity applications. There are plenty out there who will buy them for that after all.

The gaming side is unfortunate though. For me it only served to highlight just how strong the 7700K is for the money intel is asking for it. I'm pretty sure I'm going intel again this round because of that.

You aren't reading the thread are you? Bios update.