No one cares...
Your reaction was horrible, even if I grant that you did not see my edit.
Had I been new to building computers, you'd have had an effect.
We are way off-topic.
No one cares...^^ This is the last post i am making in this regard, only to point out the lies:
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I am not AMD, But if you are going to not buy a perfectly good product because someone told you off for being naive, i am afraid that someone has nailed it
That sort of knee-jerk jackassery makes me not want to be an AMD user, btw.
Talking to folks at AMD, I was told that these new Ryzen CPUs were not binned on speed, but rather on voltage, and it seems that Ryzen is getting very good yields that are very similar. Surely there are going to be variances when we are overclocking CPUs, but I do not feel at this time that we are going to see a lot of differences.
Don't pretend that you don't understand the absurdity of the claim, it's very likely the funniest one in this entire thread.
Your statement is a confession, for some reason you dislike AMD users. BTW i don't use any AMD gear at this time so hate me less.
I will also point out that you have consistently made empty, dismissive and spammy comments in this thread, once every few pages for the last week or so.
Anyway, buy w/e product fits your needs, when you don't, you are the one loosing.
They bottleneck people all the way to 4K in some games, at different spots.Seriously?
I don't care if a game bottleneck at 480p to identify if a CPU is okay for current generation of games, which is what is being discussed. It does not matter because I don't consume it at that resolution. As long as I am getting the fps
Ok you can breath now, Ryzen is a monolithic die and not a MCM. Can we move on now, please?There's no claim involved here on my part. Not sure what post you are reading of mine. I didn't say anything about what was under the lid of Ryzen, I only asked for a picture of what the die looked like under the solder pads.
I'm an AMD user...
I still haven't said a word about the die...I don't care about the die.Ok you can breath now, Ryzen is a monolithic die and not a MCM. Can we move on now, please?
It doesn't matter who claimed that, it is pointless discussion because it is not true. Better use your time discussing something relevant.It was puffnstuff who claimed Ryzen was two dies...
They bottleneck people all the way to 4K in some games, at different spots.
Take WoW as an example. Look up any benchmark, and they'll show you are going to hit 200 FPS on average, but ask any one who raids, and their FPS drop below 40, even with an i7 6700K. Same for Neverwinter and most MMORPG's. Play GTA V, and while the benchmarks show 150+ FPS, as soon as you go to the right locations with a high speed case, or skydiving, and the FPS drop into the 50's. You can do this with low to Ultra settings and get the same results. There are places in DA:I that also drop you to the 60's no matter what settings used. Games get bottlenecked by CPU's, even if the benchmarks you view don't show it.
But we're talking about Ryzen's IMC, does the DRAM voltage matter? What's important is that Ryzen can support it, not that DRAM had to be overclocked. Unless I am missing something.It says right there on the screenshot:
DRAM voltage: 1.9
So yeah not what you would really want.
A CPU that bottlenecks at 40 FPS at 480p, also bottlenecks at 40 FPS at 4K. Unless you never plan to lower settings to reach your target FPS, that low FPS bottleneck at 480p, stands as you raise your resolution. It may not matter if you are bottlenecking at 100 FPS, but it does matter if you are bottlenecking below 60, or what ever you deem acceptable. That is 80 for me.true. but then you have to look at 4K res results to know if the CPU bottlenecks there or not.
A CPU that bottlenecks at 4K will also bottleneck at 480p.
A CPU that bottlenecks at 480p may not bottleneck at 4k.
Hence, to get the full picture if a CPU bottlenecks at a given setup for a current game, you need to test it at the same res.
But that sort of a hypothetical is exactly that a hypothetical. Because you're talking about unrealistic scenarios. Like having a GPU which runs the same FPS at 1080p and 4K. We're pretty far away from that.A CPU that bottlenecks at 40 FPS at 480p, also bottlenecks at 40 FPS at 4K. Unless you never plan to lower settings to reach your target FPS, that low FPS bottleneck at 480p, stands as you raise your resolution. It may not matter if you are bottlenecking at 100 FPS, but it does matter if you are bottlenecking below 60, or what ever you deem acceptable. That is 80 for me.
Someone buying a $300+ CPU will NOT be running less than 1080p - simple as that.
It's not hypothetical at all. What's the #1 complaint when people get bottlenecked?But that sort of a hypothetical is exactly that a hypothetical. Because you're talking about unrealistic scenarios. Like having a GPU which runs the same FPS at 1080p and 4K. We're pretty far away from that.
On the flip side a CPU which is pegged to 100% on all cores will only start regressing once games start utilizing more CPU for things like AI, Phisics or what not. This is where additional 8 threads will shine. So you are comparing between a hypothetical scenario and a 10% difference and a real scenario with a 100% difference.
I would actually like to see a real test on this. FPS drops are different from averages too. So far Ryzen shows pretty smooth frame variance actually. Techreport did an article on this.It's not hypothetical at all. What's the #1 complaint when people get bottlenecked?
- they say that lowering the settings and resolution does nothing to their FPS. That is how bottlenecks work.
When the CPU bottlenecks at 40 FPS, it is only capable of 40 FPS no matter what settings are used. If a 480p benchmark shows the CPU is bound at 40 FPS, you can be certain that 1080p, 1440p and 4K will not allow for more than 40 FPS.
The only thing that might change is your GPU could also be bound below 40 FPS at the higher resolution, but unlike CPU's, lowering graphical settings will lighten the load on the GPU. i.e. if your FPS are too low due to your GPU, you are going to lower settings to get enough. If your FPS are too low due to your CPU, only a faster CPU will help.
Those numbers I gave were also not hypothetical. WoW raiding will drop you below 40 FPS, for example.
I have never discussed the RyZen die.It doesn't matter who claimed that, it is pointless discussion because it is not true. Better use your time discussing something relevant.
We also see a lot of avx2 drama. My i repeat a 8c zen gives same perf as a 6c 6800 in handbrake for h265 that uses avx2. Zen simply have tons of fpu and smt power to compensate for the lack of avx2. Its a non issue 100%
Where zen is weak, and can not be fixed before zen plus, is the ram latency and to a certain degree the speed.
There it is again.. with the better mins.. in the same game that reports lower mins in another review... these benches are all over the place... I trust nothing at this pointhttp://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/
Quite good results from Ryzen here.
You do see tests done by players, but unfortunately it's rarely done with the major sites (I'm talking low FPS areas, not hitching). You also see people complain about this all the time on various forums. Their system scores perfectly on everything benchmark, but in Arma, WoW, GTA V they get low FPS in specific areas (and everyone gets those). I also experience this a lot, and used to be a WoW raider. A lot of games seem to have spots which are CPU crushing.I would actually like to see a real test on this. FPS drops are different from averages too. So far Ryzen shows pretty smooth frame variance actually. Techreport did an article on this.
wow, I am going through those results and seeing 20-30% higher low framerates. What gives? He's only using 2400Mhz RAM too.http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/
Quite good results from Ryzen here.