Markfw it is great that you got that overclock on non-high end board that costs ~100$. I was a bit skeptical it could be done but you proved me wrong
Well while waiting on the Taichi, I just said "I will take what I can get" and it was easy to do once I realized that my NVMe SSD was overheating, and put a heatsink on it. It was $89, and I am very happy for now. I read about all the brands, and ASRock seemed to be the winner for the Ryzen, and I say they are for now. And yes, its stable, 23 hours@100% load on all 16 threads@ 4 ghz and memory @2933 CL14. I will try for 3200, but I am happy with that for now, as even the best benchmarkers seems to hit a wall @2933, but thats dang close to 3200.Markfw it is great that you got that overclock on non-high end board that costs ~100$. I was a bit skeptical it could be done but you proved me wrong
So what kind of reading would you suggest for someone looking to build a Ryzen system? What are the pitfalls that I should avoid?OK, so I did some reading FIRST, then picked reasonable parts that are supposed to work, and in 2 hours, I have a perfectly working and stable system with a 400 mhz overclock, and at the memory settings advertised. So if you have a problem getting things to work, maybe you should go do some more reading.
Edit, and Yes I have been building systems and tweaking since the mid 1980's.
I think you should just skip Ryzen and go with intel setup (whatever socket suits your needs).inf64, I agree that Ryzen is fantastic for productivity, and with the correct memory will be great for 1080p gaming as well. I have done a ton of reading and at this point what it boils down to is I am NOT going to accept memory speeds of less than 3200 C14, and I also want 32GB. So I either have to pay like $175 and settle for 16gb of G.Skill 3200 c14 samsung (which I really want 32gb) or I have to use 32gb of 2666 ram, which is not acceptable. So if I build now I would then have to Ebay my ram in a month or two when I can get what I really want and NEED, which is 32gb of 3200mhz or higher ram with tight timings. So that is why I and others are in a bind or waiting game now. Sure anyone can just buy a 1700 with stock cooler and run stock speeds and 2666mhz ram, but most people on these forums are not going to do that. They are NOT going to skimp on the ram, especially when 3200mhz or higher is needed to be competitive with Intel in gaming. If you are going to build a Ryzen system, you build it right. Why skimp on memory to save $100 and then later kick yourself because you KNEW you didn't have enough memory or fast enough memory to make Ryzen shine?
Well while waiting on the Taichi, I just said "I will take what I can get" and it was easy to do once I realized that my NVMe SSD was overheating, and put a heatsink on it. It was $89, and I am very happy for now. I read about all the brands, and ASRock seemed to be the winner for the Ryzen, and I say they are for now. And yes, its stable, 23 hours@100% load on all 16 threads@ 4 ghz and memory @2933 CL14. I will try for 3200, but I am happy with that for now, as even the best benchmarkers seems to hit a wall @2933, but thats dang close to 3200.
Well, mostly on this forum, all the Ryzen threads, and all the benchmarks from all the benchmarking articles referenced. The top few things I learned:So what kind of reading would you suggest for someone looking to build a Ryzen system? What are the pitfalls that I should avoid?
I just read that thats the best most got, and have been too busy to try the full 3200, it might do it. In Ryzen master, you just ckick the speed. It allows only certain values, bios are the same choices, its really easy.Mark, so I assume you are using g.skill 2X8 16gb 3200 c14 kit? And is their just a 2933 option in the bios that just works, or are you getting 2933 at a certain bclk that is not standard 100?
No idea, but I have heard that for high speed, you have to only have 2 sticks. 16 gig is all I need.Thanks, that was the kit I was looking at and I probably wouldn't even install Ryzen master, I would do it all from bios, good to know their is a 2933 and 3200 speed in ram options. I guess the only thing I am really waiting for is to see if 32gb 2X16 3200 kits will work soon.
Well while waiting on the Taichi
Probably they will come.Thanks, that was the kit I was looking at and I probably wouldn't even install Ryzen master, I would do it all from bios, good to know their is a 2933 and 3200 speed in ram options. I guess the only thing I am really waiting for is to see if 32gb 2X16 3200 kits will work soon.
Probably they will come.
But anyway in 1 year zen plus is comming. Tock. And i will eat my hat if ram bandwith and especially latency is not adressed and #1 priority along side a slew of other improvements.
Then 1-1.5 year after zen plus plus on 7nm. TOCK. Its probably more of a slam.
And hey in 4 months perhaps we will even see a small facelift of zen.
We also get a new uefi in may.
Its a really fast progress ahead of us.
So if you can wait you will be rewarded.
But i really feel rewarded by having s cheap 8c rig today. And i "needed" it.
Yes the asus software is very buggy. Yes bios is immature. But until now its the most stable pc i have had for 30 years.
My sample have been pretty easy to oc in the sense that it either works or doesnt. It's not like you get a crash after 5 hrs and wonders if it was because you oc it.
I guess you weren't born yet, when intel came out with x58, x79 and x99 in alpha testing phaseinf64, I am not trolling. And I certainly understand new technology and have overclocked and built systems both AMD and INTEL for 25 years. Yeah, I guess I am venting though, but that still does not change what I have posted is absolute fact. I'm well aware of past new platforms where it took a few minutes or at worst hours in the bios to get your new build 100% stable or memory working at advertised speeds. But this is a WHOLE different ball game, and if you can't see that for yourself, or from the 1000 posts of others with major problems and no stability, then I can't help you. It just wasn't ready to be released. There is no shame or harm in admitting that.
There is a whiner in every crowd.Someone gets my point (user and mobo manufacturer) and made a short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53U1wWNqZE
Drops Mic.
Someone gets my point (user and mobo manufacturer) and made a short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53U1wWNqZE
Drops Mic.
There was also the H67/P67 SATA recall
Intel never had a "perfect" release of a new technology.
With new architecture there are always some hickups at the beginning. Out of all PCs I have been built (also appr. 25 years) the worst nightmare was the brand new Nehalem i7 architecture when it came out: it took several months of active communication with two mobo manufacturers to get it stable enough. Point is that it wasn't stable even in normal usage, no fancy tunings, best quality hardware used etc. Broadwell didn't behave too well either. Why the later Intel processor/mobo combinations have had better behaviour is imo because there have been actually little to none changes: year after year same turd in different packets with little more MHz and ofc higher price...and I think everybody everybody likes if AMD can stop that with their new architecture and design.inf64, I am not trolling. And I certainly understand new technology and have overclocked and built systems both AMD and INTEL for 25 years. Yeah, I guess I am venting though, but that still does not change what I have posted is absolute fact. I'm well aware of past new platforms where it took a few minutes or at worst hours in the bios to get your new build 100% stable or memory working at advertised speeds. But this is a WHOLE different ball game, and if you can't see that for yourself, or from the 1000 posts of others with major problems and no stability, then I can't help you. It just wasn't ready to be released. There is no shame or harm in admitting that.
You signed up here just to troll with your first post?
This is a no-trolling zone/forum.
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It's the early adopter's pain; they/we're all in some way alpha/beta testers. R7 is for early adopters where R5 and R3 will be for the mass market. I'm getting old and have not that much time to fight with the initial problems anymore, therefore I'll probably just settle with R5 1600X and with little more waiting I can combine that with Vega. In that timeframe the 3200 memory thing and initial issues will be most probably sorted out. Still clapping hands to AMD: half a year before this kind of better performing rig would have cost quite a much more.Sometimes I just have to remind myself PATIENCE. Yeah, I always want the latest and greatest. Was one of the first guys to get and love a Samsung Galaxy Note 7, then had to return it because they all were recalled and fire hazards. I am sure Ryen will be a great setup and I will build one. But it was rushed out before mobo and ram manufacturers were on board. I've waited a month, I can wait another if the kinks will be worked out. I don't need the aggravation of a mobo recall or mobo that can't hit high ram frequencies in May with 32gb or possible mobos or cpus dying after a month of overclocking. This time around I am not going to be the first guy to beta test for them. G.Skill is jumping on board with all the ram problems with their Flare X kits. Sure they are going to be more expensive and really just the same as their 3200C14 kits, but with AMD timings programmed instead of intels, but at least they will be guaranteed to work at 3200 without any hoops to jump thru. I am sure Corsair will follow. So what AMD really is saying is yes we rushed this out, but in May (when it really should have came out) we will have faster than 3200mhz memory support, so if you buy ram now, you will feel like a loser in a month in a half. Not my idea of a smooth launch.
I just read that thats the best most got, and have been too busy to try the full 3200, it might do it. In Ryzen master, you just ckick the speed. It allows only certain values, bios are the same choices, its really easy.
This stuff: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205
Just by memory, I think its 2133, 2400,2666, 2933 and 3200. I hate to waste some good crunching time by messing with a perfectly working system that is already so tweaked.