First, I still see that memory @ $170
As for the PSU, I intend to put one or 2 1080 TI's in it when they come out, hence my AX860. It only draws 229 watts overclocked and at 100% load !
oh awesome, thanks for the info! The type of data that I've been looking for, as I'm slowly planning to build something over the next ....4 or 5 months? That kit is currently $149 at Newegg btw (without tax).
I see most people are using 700W+ PSUs in their builds. Is this because you guys already have the PSU lying around, and/or because of uncertain OC potential going into it? I know no one can really say anything definitive right now regarding Vega 10 or 11 (what I'm planning to put in this box), or comparing with 1600X, but I'm wondering if you guys think a 450-500W PSU would be fine for such a system? I'd like to spend less on PSU, as long as it's still a solid unit (some very good semi-full modular 80+ Corsairs out there @ 450-500W for about $30-50 right now)
I'm going to wait for 1600X release and availability, and choose between that and a 1700, depending on performance and where things stand after some maturity and no wonky BIOS to deal with. I already have a small case to put this in, so I'm looking for only the mATX or ITX mobos that aren't yet out. I know this is stupid with so much being unknown with unreleased products (Vega), but I'd like to be able to shop around and hunt for deals when they are available, hence the potential of getting a PSU well before I know actual requirements. I'm not much of an overclocker, though, so I feel that I need to worry about this too much...but if Ryzen does make this easier when BIOS is worked out, then I might want to dabble.
Let's assume the biggest Vega is 225-250 TDP (whatever that means for actual W), Ryzen 1600X-1700 = 65-95W TDP, 1 NvMe M.2 SSD, 1-2 SATA SSD (I have a 500gb 950 Evo that will will be moving over), some unknown mATX/ITX mobo, and those 2 sticks of GSkill memory.
I've had the same PSU since 2007I see most people are using 700W+ PSUs in their builds. Is this because you guys already have the PSU lying around, and/or because of uncertain OC potential going into it?
...I see most people are using 700W+ PSUs in their builds. Is this because you guys already have the PSU lying around, and/or because of uncertain OC potential going into it? I know no one can really say anything definitive right now regarding Vega 10 or 11 (what I'm planning to put in this box), or comparing with 1600X, but I'm wondering if you guys think a 450-500W PSU would be fine for such a system? I'd like to spend less on PSU, as long as it's still a solid unit (some very good semi-full modular 80+ Corsairs out there @ 450-500W for about $30-50 right now)...
I'm getting old and have not that much time to fight with the initial problems anymore, .
A lot of people seem to buy excessive power supplies. I have a 650W myself. That was back when I was using a 125W CPU and various high end video cards over the years. If anything power use has been trending down. We have much better idle power these days as well. Back then a higher wattage model with plenty of 12V amps was for peace of mind.
If I were building today, I would have no problem picking a quality 500-600W PSU. My current build idles around 100-120W, and peaks around 350W in the latest games. With just my CPU maxed out it is around 200W. Also remember a PSU is most efficient towards the middle of its range. Thus a 500W PSU pulling 200W would be more efficient than a 700W PSU pulling 200W, all other things being equal. With a quality 80+ PSU though the difference would only be <10% though, I would imagine.
Just to give you an idea, I have a 3570k @ 4.0GHz, an RX 480 8GB, 16GB RAM, 4 HDD's, a Blu Ray, and an SSD.
First, I still see that memory @ $170
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1 x ($149.99) G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
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Two different products, that second link from zin is DDR4-3000 not 3200.
FWIW I was able to get DDR4-2800 speeds to work on my dual-rank non-B die chips, so I suspect a month or two of updates will allow for stable 3200 usage for a lot more memory outside of the small # right now.
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I'm yet to see ONE post from you that is not flame baiting or just pure trolling. I cannot decide if you are unable to understand new technology or you are just mad at the world so you are venting on this forum. It is a mystery.
PS Wall of text with zero paragraphs makes it even harder to read.
I see most people are using 700W+ PSUs in their builds. Is this because you guys already have the PSU lying around, and/or because of uncertain OC potential going into it? I know no one can really say anything definitive right now regarding Vega 10 or 11 (what I'm planning to put in this box), or comparing with 1600X, but I'm wondering if you guys think a 450-500W PSU would be fine for such a system? I'd like to spend less on PSU, as long as it's still a solid unit (some very good semi-full modular 80+ Corsairs out there @ 450-500W for about $30-50 right now)
Please show us the proof, that IF is the problem as it doesn't seem to be enough at 35-50GB/s and very likely <5ns latency for a cacheline transfer. Also I'd like to see your interpretation of cores being chained up on a ring bus.Ok, I'll give you that. But with AMD's decision to basically make their 8 core cpu from two 4 core cpus slapped together with slow infinity fabric communication, well if you aren't going to run your memory over 2666mhz, you are seriously gimping the build. All mobo manufacturers are claiming 3200mhz support for a reason, and even some and AMD are claiming above 3600mhz support in May. Higher mem frequency is the only way to get infinity fabric/L3 cache latency lower. It would be FOOLISH to buy a 2666mhz memory kit now, when you will then be buying a 3600mhz or thereabouts kit in a month or two.
Agreed. It seems the press needs to present a complete view, not just show one effect and use it to blame them all.Hard to blame him when most of the press and all of youtube are blaming the fabric, the L3$ latency and mem latency without much proof or thought.
Truth be told, AMD should disclose some more info to stop the speculation.
I don't think I'll ever get rid of my BFG PSUs (2x modified EX-1000, 2x ES-800).A lot of people seem to buy excessive power supplies. I have a 650W myself. That was back when I was using a 125W CPU and various high end video cards over the years. If anything power use has been trending down. We have much better idle power these days as well. Back then a higher wattage model with plenty of 12V amps was for peace of mind.
Why is it that anybody who isn't frothing at the mouth over Ryzen or is asking serious questions about it trolling? Personally I too am disappointed with certain aspects of it from the accelerated release to a lower than expected performance based upon what AMD themselves were saying about their product. This time the prerelease hype doesn't match the reality.Hotstocks, fwiw I think you are trolling, or at least it comes across that way.
What did AMD say about the product in terms of performance that does not match real life testing?Personally I too am disappointed with certain aspects of it from the accelerated release to a lower than expected performance based upon what AMD themselves were saying about their product. This time the prerelease hype doesn't match the reality.
That insider, which is likely from Asus, sounds like a petulant child whining, because he has to share his toys. He/she clearly just sees AMD as an inconvenience.Why is it that anybody who isn't frothing at the mouth over Ryzen or is asking serious questions about it trolling? Personally I too am disappointed with certain aspects of it from the accelerated release to a lower than expected performance based upon what AMD themselves were saying about their product. This time the prerelease hype doesn't match the reality.
For RTS i think you are mostly api limited. Without a proper dx12/vulcan implementation drawcall will be bad. A solid new engines gives north of 1000% uplift.So many people here seem to say that all games are GPU-bound these days; however, the majority of the games I play on PC are largely bottlenecked by the CPU. I play mostly RTS and simulation games on my desktop.
Does anyone know how Ryzen will perform in those titles yet (e.g., Total War, Cities Skylines, Civ VI)? I have no need for FPS above 60, and I only run 1080p.
I would like to consider Ryzen 5 as an alternative to an i5 as I upgrade from my FX CPU, but I just don't know if the disparity in single core performance is going to be worth it, considering the games I play.
Yeaa and just recently they said we got 3.4+ base and we only got 3.6.They claimed 40% increase in IPC over BD, but it was only 52% :d