Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[DisEnchantment]

Reading through this, effectively giving GN a second chance, and all they are talking about is Max FPS, not mins or averages.

This guy is a hack. No more page views for him.

The fact that he publishes a phone call with AMD simply is too unacceptable. Is it even legal, was AMD informed he is recording?
And slides after slides of data which I don't need some bored voice to read it out loud to me. I prefer reading myself.

 

[french toast]

Gamernexus was one of my go to gpu reviewers, think im going to give him a rest for a while.

 

[Ajay]

Aside from overclockers, Ryzen 5 seems to be an excellent choice for a large number of users. Interesting times.

 

[IEC]

Aside from overclockers, Ryzen 5 seems to be an excellent choice for a large number of users. Interesting times.

der8auer (extreme OCer) actually thinks that Ryzen 7 and 5 are the first AMD chips in about a decade that are competitive in the extreme OC scene. He set some new 6 core records with the Ryzen 5:
https://youtu.be/CZ0SxpGzbw0

This was back in early March IIRC so he could likely get slightly better scores today with the AGESA 1004a update.

 

[Ajay]

Well, I mean AIO or custom H2O - not LN2!!!
I'm only interested in 24x7 overclocks.

 

[escrow4]

Built a 7600 non K box last month as a basic allrounder and I see nothing here worth changing over.

 

[IEC]

Well, I mean AIO or custom H2O - not LN2!!!
I'm only interested in 24x7 overclocks.

Sweet spot for Ryzen is taking a chip (any R7 for 8-core, R5 1600/X for 6-core) and OCing to 3.7GHz or 3.8GHz all-core speed at 1.20V-1.25V. At 100% 16-thread load @ 3.8GHz I am using less than 100W at the CPU.

 

[Mopetar]

I think (and I've said this before) that reviewers should dump average fps and give us median instead. Yes, it will likely be close but it gives you something useful. Half your time your fps will be above this and half the time your fps will be below this.

In addition, we should continue to get 1% and 0.1%, though .1% can the thrown off easily enough I'd run the tests several times to eliminate outliers, if possible.

Median isn't necessarily any more useful without knowing the overall shape of the distribution. You could get a point showing median FPS is 62, but if the max is 64 and min is 17, you can't necessarily infer anything meaningful from that. Having 1st and 10th percentiles is going to be useful. Tom's usually does a pretty good job showing off frequency of time spent above or below certain breakpoints:

I also like that they included a frame time variance chart as well. Which I think explains why some people are saying that Ryzen has smoother game play. Look at the 7600k, which spends overall more time above 90 FPS than any Ryzen processor, but has significantly more variance, even when overclocked to 5 GHz. I think that those swings in frame times are what are causing those anecdotal reports of Ryzen feeling smoother, even if the FPS isn't any better.

Also, how and what you bench can have a big impact on the results as well. A built-in benchmark is fine in that it's easily repeatable and reproducible is great, but if it isn't representative it can cause problems. Ideally the developers would have a better understanding of the different parts of their game and what stresses hardware the most in order to include those different scenarios in a benchmark and make it a good measure of actual game performance, or at least do a good job of highlighting averages and lows. In-game benchmarks are good, but are going to be a pain in the ass to conduct if you need to compare dozens of chips/cards while avoiding making the benchmark too short or specific to make it generally useful.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Built a 7600 non K box last month as a basic allrounder and I see nothing here worth changing over.

Having OC option and extra threads are worth it in my book

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Built a 7600 non K box last month as a basic allrounder and I see nothing here worth changing over.

Not after you spent the money, but the choice is clear now. The i5 lineup is effectively dead.

 

[Rifter]

Not after you spent the money, but the choice is clear now. The i5 lineup is effectively dead.

Yeah exactly, not worth upgrading from it to ryzen but if building today different story.

 

[Ajay]

Not after you spent the money, but the choice is clear now. The i5 lineup is effectively dead.

So that's your prediction. Let's revisit in 6 month and see what the market decided. One issue, ATM, is that there is no iGPU - so OEMs will need to include some basic GPU in the systems (which will offset cost savings, IMHO). I'm not inclined to write off the huge momentum that Intel has built over the past decade.

For example, I'd be torn right now vis-a-vis building a new system for my wife. Ryzen would be great for her needs, but all she needs is Intel 4+2. With AMD, I'd have to spring for a low end GPU - kind of offsetting the value proposition of Ryzen.

I would expect Raven Ridge to be much more successful in laptops as it will check off all the correct boxes for OEMs.

 

[sushukka]

Wow, did Intel just get totally raped? Their whole HEDT line went obsolete in one day after R7 and to underline it there are already rumours that AMD is going to introduce +8core systems for professional desktop usage. Now R5 just cleaning the floor in the middle segment. Currently it seems that from Intel's whole desktop lineup (how many processors there even are?) the only viable options are 7700k and low-end i3 processors...and based on the Ryzen perfomance so far the low-end tier will probably be crushed by R3. Add here the upcoming Ryzen+Vega APUs where Intel cannot give any competition the (CPU) world seems to be much nicer place by now.

And about Nvidia, they're better to make up something very soon. They cannot ignore much longer the negative reputation what big influencers like Anandtech's R5 review brings. Whining about "we have had only 6 weeks blablabla" is just pathetic. In six weeks in Ryzen world we have already seen multiple optimizations in games, bioses, Windows, benchmarks etc. Probably there are some business as usual strategies also going on, but whatever, Nvidia is pissing in their own pants. It's already obvious that their current hardware/architecture is not future-proof with this Ryzen hickup, over 4core support and dx12/Vulkan performance. So the choise is very obvious, wait for Vega if you have the patience. Nvidia announcing 1080Ti and now suspiciously soon 1080XP (which should achieve the rumored 12TFlops Vega performance) sounds to me that Vega could be worth of waiting. However, just now it seems that the best combination to me is Ryzen+RX580 and replace GPU after a while with some high-end Vega or middle-tier Vega variant. About same amount of GPU cost in the same time period and ability to play games with maxed out graphs (I'm using projector --> 1080p).

 

[Topweasel]

The real problem with Ryzen is AMD has a hard time going halfway in with it's GPU implementation and the fact that the CPU's have baked in L3 so they can't recoup some real estate to include a GPU. Ryzen is already large enough as is and including a GPU would just make it worse and AMD wouldn't want a "simple" iGPU, because then people would start performance comparing on what should be an enthusiast CPU that is only including a GPU for corner cases. Hell even Intel only includes and has been upgrading the GPU on its i7 and i5 lines because the cores are so small that they either needed to up the cores, cache, or do more with the GPU to get the chip big enough to support the pinouts to the mobo. This allowed them to keep cores and cache at a premium with the HEDT and Server lines.

Ryzen doesn't have this problem and I doubt ever will. AMD is more likely to just rework the CCX to include more cores during a die shrink.

Edit: Side comment. Just thinking about Zenver3 having 12 cores and drop in compatible with current boards would be crazy.

 

[sushukka]

So that's your prediction. Let's revisit in 6 month and see what the market decided. One issue, ATM, is that there is no iGPU - so OEMs will need to include some basic GPU in the systems (which will offset cost savings, IMHO). I'm not inclined to write off the huge momentum that Intel has built over the past decade.

For example, I'd be torn right now vis-a-vis building a new system for my wife. Ryzen would be great for her needs, but all she needs is Intel 4+2. With AMD, I'd have to spring for a low end GPU - kind of offsetting the value proposition of Ryzen.

I would expect Raven Ridge to be much more successful in laptops as it will check off all the correct boxes for OEMs.

Indeed. AMD will have a total upper hand regarding the GPU knowledge when introducing the new Ryzen+Vega APUs later this year. They will be 4c/8t probably because of space constraints on the die. More interesting thing is how AMD's Infinity Fabric will be used between CPU+GPU and what kind of performance boosts HBM2 brings to this picture. Currently it seems that AMD could very well have all the cards to make a killer product on APU segment. 1500x Ryzen performance with fast interconnections on-same-die Vega graphics sounds just great. Xbox Scorpio announcement underlines that AMD knows how to make these things.

 

[ultima_trev]

I thought I'd share the improvement to my Passmark single thread score which I found interesting...

3.92GHz w/ F2 BIOS, DDR4-2400 and HPET on:
http://imgur.com/a/yq2Eo

3.7GHz /w F4 BIOS (AGESA 1.0.0.4a), DDR4-2666 and HPET off:
http://imgur.com/a/66WI5

 

[majord]

R5 1400 is 8mb L3. Is this a 4+0 Config, or just half the l3 disabled?

 

[CatMerc]

R5 1400 is 8mb L3. Is this a 4+0 Config, or just half the l3 disabled?

Half the L3 disabled. All Ryzen 5 quad cores are 2+2.

 

[mattiasnyc]

Wow, did Intel just get totally raped? Their whole HEDT line went obsolete in one day after R7 and to underline it there are already rumours that AMD is going to introduce +8core systems for professional desktop usage.

You're missing some important things though, things that didn't make Intel's "HEDT line" go "obsolete" at all. Not even close I would say. I'll give you a very concrete example to illustrate the considerations in that segment:

I work in content creation, working with audio for tv/film etc. I need a powerful computer. It just so happens that the r7 is an excellent value for most of what I do. I'm also considering moving to video editing to get a bit more steady work. However, I then face several considerations:

1. Total lanes + lane configurations: With Intel's x99 platform I could start with a 28-lane CPU which would be more lanes than the Ryzen can give me, and by simply swapping a CPU I can get up to 40 lanes. The drawback with Ryzen is that I get x8/x8 on the x370, and the rest is PCIe 2.0. But even if I get another x16 slot it'll run at x4 from what I can see, and it still often shares resources with x1 slots. All of that goes through an x4 connection to the CPU.

Now, something that speaks in Ryzen's favor is the NVME m2 being tied directly to the CPU instead of going through the x370, but it doesn't seem that people on the x99 platform suffer from that. And so this is a very real concrete issue.

2. Some software is currently coded with Intel in mind, one example being running AVX2 at 256-bit if I understand correctly. And so there's a pretty big penalty there. If you're looking at 4-8k footage, and hours and hours of it, transcoding it becomes a long process where a 10% difference suddenly becomes a lot of time (compared to a 10% difference in gaming between a 80fps / 88fps frame rate, which I couldn't care less about).

So I think we're seeing the exact opposite of what you're suggesting, and I think Intel's pricing reflects that. As far as I can see they still 'own' the top-tier of HEDT.

 

[imported_jjj]

You're missing some important things though, things that didn't make Intel's "HEDT line" go "obsolete" at all. Not even close I would say. I'll give you a very concrete example to illustrate the considerations in that segment:

I work in content creation, working with audio for tv/film etc. I need a powerful computer. It just so happens that the r7 is an excellent value for most of what I do. I'm also considering moving to video editing to get a bit more steady work. However, I then face several considerations:

1. Total lanes + lane configurations: With Intel's x99 platform I could start with a 28-lane CPU which would be more lanes than the Ryzen can give me, and by simply swapping a CPU I can get up to 40 lanes. The drawback with Ryzen is that I get x8/x8 on the x370, and the rest is PCIe 2.0. But even if I get another x16 slot it'll run at x4 from what I can see, and it still often shares resources with x1 slots. All of that goes through an x4 connection to the CPU.

Now, something that speaks in Ryzen's favor is the NVME m2 being tied directly to the CPU instead of going through the x370, but it doesn't seem that people on the x99 platform suffer from that. And so this is a very real concrete issue.

2. Some software is currently coded with Intel in mind, one example being running AVX2 at 256-bit if I understand correctly. And so there's a pretty big penalty there. If you're looking at 4-8k footage, and hours and hours of it, transcoding it becomes a long process where a 10% difference suddenly becomes a lot of time (compared to a 10% difference in gaming between a 80fps / 88fps frame rate, which I couldn't care less about).

So I think we're seeing the exact opposite of what you're suggesting, and I think Intel's pricing reflects that. As far as I can see they still 'own' the top-tier of HEDT.

That might be a niche but not representative overall for HEDT . AMD will have 12 and 16 cores for such niches soon enough too.

 

[mattiasnyc]

That might be a niche but not representative overall for HEDT . AMD will have 12 and 16 cores for such niches soon enough too.

I suppose it depends on the definition of "HEDT" really. Either way Intel's HEDT lineup doesn't seem obsolete to me. What I mentioned above plus upgradability, Thunderbolt etc makes them stay put.

AMD having 12/16 cores non-server to compete is something I'll believe when I see it. I don't doubt they can execute it, but I haven't really seen any info from AMD as of yet. It'd also be a bit 'unfortunate' for those who bought into the Ryzen r7 high-end specifically for HEDT needs if they release yet another platform this year which takes over that high-end (for AMD). We were duly notified about Ryzen months ago, and we're aware of Naples / server as well as the APU chips, so I would have expected official statements on an HEDT platform as well... or maybe I missed it...

 

[raghu78]

Ryzen 5 1600x has basically made the core i5 7600k irrelevant. Even for gaming we are seeing 1600X match 7600k while crushing it in productivity, content creation and a range of apps.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/amd-ryzen-5-test/2/#abschnitt_anwendungen_windows
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/amd-ryzen-5-test/3/
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/959-17/indices-performance.html

I think AMD will sell a lot of these Ryzen 5 CPUs. AMD needs to sell aggressive bundles of Ryzen 5 with B350 and Rx 570 / Rx 580 to OEMs to improve AMD's presence in affordable gaming PCs.

 

[imported_jjj]

I suppose it depends on the definition of "HEDT" really. Either way Intel's HEDT lineup doesn't seem obsolete to me. What I mentioned above plus upgradability, Thunderbolt etc makes them stay put.

AMD having 12/16 cores non-server to compete is something I'll believe when I see it. I don't doubt they can execute it, but I haven't really seen any info from AMD as of yet. It'd also be a bit 'unfortunate' for those who bought into the Ryzen r7 high-end specifically for HEDT needs if they release yet another platform this year which takes over that high-end (for AMD). We were duly notified about Ryzen months ago, and we're aware of Naples / server as well as the APU chips, so I would have expected official statements on an HEDT platform as well... or maybe I missed it...

That's a very weak attempt to deflect and find ways to criticize AMD, you clearly know about it and expect it but you force the "pics or it didn't happen argument.
Since when is pre-annoucing a product normal or required? BTW does Skyalake X exist?

Thunderbolt ... lol, you deserve a medal if you care about it.
Upgradability hugely favors AMD as they tend to stick with the same socket for much longer and offer actual upgrades, as opposed to 10% per year.
But wait, i though you only cared about perf, why move the goal post when your argument doesn't stand anymore? Your argument was that money is no object and only perf matters since you are ready to pay 2x for 10% extra perf.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

So that's your prediction. Let's revisit in 6 month and see what the market decided. One issue, ATM, is that there is no iGPU - so OEMs will need to include some basic GPU in the systems (which will offset cost savings, IMHO). I'm not inclined to write off the huge momentum that Intel has built over the past decade.

For example, I'd be torn right now vis-a-vis building a new system for my wife. Ryzen would be great for her needs, but all she needs is Intel 4+2. With AMD, I'd have to spring for a low end GPU - kind of offsetting the value proposition of Ryzen.

I would expect Raven Ridge to be much more successful in laptops as it will check off all the correct boxes for OEMs.

What the ignorant consumer decides to do is irrelevant to what I was saying. You can get people to buy anything with good marketing.

If that's the case, then buy her a $200 laptop on clearance.

 

[Ajay]

What the ignorant consumer decides to do is irrelevant to what I was saying. You can get people to buy anything with good marketing.

If that's the case, then buy her a $200 laptop on clearance.

WTH? I'm not an ignorant consumer and I'll build whatever I choose for longevity thank you.

You made what I estimated to be a prediction. I thought it would be interesting to see what the market says in six months rather than simply saying, at this point in time, Intel is done. If you want to narrow you prediction to enthusiasts, then fine. If you want to just spout off stuff without any accountability, you may want to post on an AMD only forum.