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lixlax

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German magazine computerbase did an interesting review about CPU core scaling in modern games in preparation for their Ryzen coverage. They come to the conclusion that modern titles do profit from more cores very well contrary to common believe.
So against some older competition and Broadwell-E the 7700K was fastest in 2 games out of 14 and all were at stock clockspeeds (which should be a bonus on 7700K side). This pretty much tells us that lower clockspeed and more cores is the way to go even today.

Any idea how much the massive L3 cache helps Broadwell-E in games?
 

imported_jjj

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Do you think the asrock taichi is worth $45 over the asrock fatally k4 if I need wireless?

There are cheaper boards with wifi, like the ASRock Killer SLI/ac.
However, the wifi provided with these boards is usually 1 stream, from a 10$ low end Intel card. High end phones went 2 streams years ago.
Maybe there will be some mobos for Ryzen with better wifi but you are better off buying a PCIe card for wifi.
So just get the mobo and the wifi card that best fit your needs.
 
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AtenRa

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Amd has had nothing for high end market for 10 years. It was smart starting with those cpus.

That doesnt change the fact that this segment is low volume and will not increase AMDs x86 market share vs Intel.

But it will have at least a positive impact on the Q1 and more on the Q2 (R5 release as well) 2017 financial results.
 

bjt2

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Sorry for the bad resolution, this is a 360p reupload of the Youtube video which had the scores.


Also, it looks like Sami Mäkinen "Macci" (legendary extreme overclocker, AMD employee) was there and I'm pretty sure he would know what he is doing.
Mark Papermaster was also standing right there I believe, and AMD had internally broken 2K Cinebench a couple months ago.

John Sandstrom (ASUS Engineer) is the one with his arm up.


Oh i have not thought of that video, because even at max quality i couldn't read the CPU name and i didn't read the comments (maybe it's stated there)... So they are all previous CB run with LN2.,.. Good. They played a bit... I will search if there are MB specs (chipset, VRMs, final or test version etc) and also other videos on YT... it will be interesting to know the VRM and MB quality, if the VRM were cooled, PSU etc... I will make a little bit research...
 

.vodka

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7700K is fine, 4 core/8 thread at high clock. But 7600K value prop really looks iffy with Ryzen around at similar price points.

4C4T quads have been iffy ever since 2600k started pulling away from the 2500k in tests and games these recent years. It's throwing money down the drain.

7700k is fine for the time being. It'll fall off a cliff in a few years' time, probably before 2020. The writing is on the wall.

People shouldn't make the same mistake those back in the day did when getting their shiny high clocked E8xxx parts, those who bought quads got a lot more mileage out of them before becoming obsolete to better quads like Nehalem and Sandy.

There's a difference now, and it's that the octo cores being the new quads, start at $320 with the R7 1700. You had to pay a price premium back then for a Q6xxx/Q8xxx/Q9xxx over a dual core. Now you don't. It's a no brainer. There's evidence to back this up, now, going back at least to last year and if not part of 2015, that more cores are actually useful. It's not 2010 anymore where the vast mayority of software was single threaded or at most used two threads.

Including RyZen quad cores? A lot of people don't game or do anything more taxing than occasional video or photo work.

Quad cores are the new dual cores. The PC landscape has to move away from the dual/quad era it's been stuck to for the past ten years to the quad/hexa/octocore era as to keep going forward.

How does the average dual core fare today with the increasing demands of web based workloads? Those pages and web apps sure are getting more and more bloated and demanding by the minute. Do you do any demanding computing on a dual core now? No. Will you do any demanding computing on a quad core when the market has done the shift and dual cores are a thing of the past, as were single cores back in the day? Neither.


It's a shame AMD isn't releasing the Ryzen quads and hexa cores along the octo cores, but let's have a look at the rumored pricing. AMD will sell you a beefy quad core starting at the $130 price bracket if the rumored price is true, and they will also sell you a 4C8T quad for $170, again, if the prices are correct. All unlocked. No artificial market segmentation. No artificial feature set limits, you get AVX/2, AES acceleration, etc. Those are the prices a quad should command in this day and age, not the overpriced quads Intel has been selling ever since Ivy Bridge. 2500k was $216, 2600k was $320, those were value propositions. $250 7600k and $350 7700k aren't even accounting for inflation.

The mainstream killer app, games, are now multithreaded. Intel's entire lineup has been obsoleted in performance/$ and pure value/utility overnight with the Ryzen octocores, not to mention the quads and hexas as they are released. The only remaining bright spot is the $65 G4560 at least until Intel gets off greedy monopoly mode and slashes prices here and there. Of course those who need the iGPU will continue to buy Intel, yet we'll see what happens when Raven Ridge arrives, as it's finally an APU with a decent CPU side (4C8T, that's an i7) that could perfectly replace the Ryzen CPU quads.


A healthy AMD brings balance to the force market. It was sorely needed.
 
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Kenmitch

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News flash....Ryzen bullet train overtakes the hype train and is steadily pulling ahead....Film at 11.

Pretty impressive showing so far considering the lack of R&D funds AMD has compared to the competition. Looking forward to seeing the full reviews when available.
 

imported_jjj

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At least there will be some interesting reviews now , CPU reviewers got really lazy as there was never anything new really.
Now they need to wake up and properly explore gaming , power consumption, efficiency, multitasking.
Few will do it from day one but hopefully there are at least a few left that are both competent and honest.
 
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Mercennarius

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For many of us it is, but there's still LOTS of people out there with the outdated 2010 mentality that 4C4T (i5) is all you need for gaming. They keep spreading that "advice" everywhere.

Couldn't be any further from the truth.

Buying a quad core in any shape or form in 2017 for demanding tasks is squandering money. Quad cores are the new dual cores.

Yup.
 

AtenRa

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As for the sweet spot (if you OC) I blelieve its the following,

R7 1700 for 8C16T
R5 1500 for 6C 12T and
R3 1300 for 4C 8T
 
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Considering LN2 is currently hitting 5.2 GHz, probably not. It may overclock higher because of less heat output, but probably not more than 100-200 MHz.
Another user made a calculation, but with the 1700X.
I report here with 1800X as base
At 3.6GHz+ the 1800x scores at least 1601 at CB 15 nT.
The CB record is said to be 2449.
The minimum frequency needed to score 2449, given 1601 at 3.6GHz is 3.6*2449/1601=5.5GHz. If turbo was engaged (almost certainly) at stock, that number is even higher. If scaling is not 100% (almost certainly) this number is even higher.

I think that that 5.14-5.2 were idle clocks. During CB run the clock must be at least 5.5GHz to score that score. Otherwise it is unexplainable how a CPU that has similar IPC that BDWE scores more with 1GHz disadvantage (previous world record on 6.1GHz of previous intel architecture, HSW)
 

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Including RyZen quad cores? A lot of people don't game or do anything more taxing than occasional video or photo work.

I don't do much video/photo editing but from what I have read there are huge benefits to having more cores/threads in newer video/photo editing applications. If your building a system in 2017+ there is no reason to go for anything less than 6 cores unless you plan on upgrading again in 12 months.
 

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Another user made a calculation, but with the 1700X.
I report here with 1800X as base
At 3.6GHz+ the 1800x scores at least 1601 at CB 15 nT.
The CB record is said to be 2449.
The minimum frequency needed to score 2449, given 1601 at 3.6GHz is 3.6*2449/1601=5.5GHz. If turbo was engaged (almost certainly) at stock, that number is even higher. If scaling is not 100% (almost certainly) this number is even higher.

I think that that 5.14-5.2 were idle clocks. During CB run the clock must be at least 5.5GHz to score that score. Otherwise it is unexplainable how a CPU that has similar IPC that BDWE scores more with 1GHz disadvantage (previous world record on 6.1GHz of previous intel architecture, HSW)

That is quite an interesting point. Which makes the OCing results slightly more promising for lower end cooling as well.
 

AtenRa

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Another user made a calculation, but with the 1700X.
I report here with 1800X as base
At 3.6GHz+ the 1800x scores at least 1601 at CB 15 nT.
The CB record is said to be 2449.
The minimum frequency needed to score 2449, given 1601 at 3.6GHz is 3.6*2449/1601=5.5GHz. If turbo was engaged (almost certainly) at stock, that number is even higher. If scaling is not 100% (almost certainly) this number is even higher.

I think that that 5.14-5.2 were idle clocks. During CB run the clock must be at least 5.5GHz to score that score. Otherwise it is unexplainable how a CPU that has similar IPC that BDWE scores more with 1GHz disadvantage (previous world record on 6.1GHz of previous intel architecture, HSW)

During CB benchmark the CPU clocks goes above 3.6GHz, they dont run the entire benchmark at 3.6GHz.
 
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Atari2600

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Just to make Ryzen more appealing. Computerbase.de did some testing on modern titles to prepare for Ryzen, to see how games really scale with more cores, when played with cpu bound settings. Results are quite promising


https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02/cpu-skalierung-kerne-spiele-test/#diagramm-watch-dogs-2-fps

Games are way better multithreaded than we give them credit.


... and that is in a benchmarking environment.

In the real world, where users have crap going on in the background - then having more cores will help.
 

antihelten

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Looks like 1600X is having exact same clocks as 1800X with 33% less cores. Not bad at all especially if they price it at 260-280$ range. ST performance @ 4Ghz or 4.1Ghz(XFR) combined with ACT at ~3.7Ghz should be really good for games. If it OCs to ~4.2Ghz (~16% above base) it will be best perf./dollar SKU IMO.

Siliconlottery.com has both the 1500 and the 1600X up on their site and momentarily they even had prices, the prices were $230 for the 1500 and $260 for the 1600X.

Don't know how reliable this is though (their prices for the 1700, 1700X and 1800X follows MSRP)
 

Mopetar

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I think that that 5.14-5.2 were idle clocks. During CB run the clock must be at least 5.5GHz to score that score. Otherwise it is unexplainable how a CPU that has similar IPC that BDWE scores more with 1GHz disadvantage (previous world record on 6.1GHz of previous intel architecture, HSW)

Wasn't there some consensus that Ryzen's SMT implementation is better than HyperThreading? If you account for that, the clock speeds don't have to be quite as high.
 

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... and that is in a benchmarking environment.

In the real world, where users have crap going on in the background - then having more cores will help.

Yeah I often have Chrome running on my second monitor playing some video or something online while I play.
 

lolfail9001

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Wasn't there some consensus that Ryzen's SMT implementation is better than HyperThreading? If you account for that, the clock speeds don't have to be quite as high.
Nah, not just that.
During CB benchmark the CPU clocks goes above 3.6GHz, they dont run the entire benchmark at 3.6GHz.
And not that either. And yes, it probably does run entire bench on 3.6 or 3.7Ghz.
Otherwise it is unexplainable how a CPU that has similar IPC that BDWE scores more with 1GHz disadvantage (previous world record on 6.1GHz of previous intel architecture, HSW)
Better SMT throughput was established by earlier leaks. Damn, you have just made the whole thing more confusing. Gave some hope it actually OCs better than Broadwell too, though, so i'll give that possibility a shot.
 

Mopetar

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Gave some hope it actually OCs better than Broadwell too, though, so i'll give that possibility a shot.

That seems pretty unlikely as Inte'sl 14 nm is far more mature. We'll probably get a better idea once the 4 core Ryzen CPUs drop, but from the 7700k LN2 runs, we know that the process is quite mature in terms of what those chips can hit. Also is the 14 nm LPE/LPP process that GF is using even designed for high clock speeds?
 

lolfail9001

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That seems pretty unlikely as Inte'sl 14 nm is far more mature.
Broadwell was always architecture limited, not process limited, on frequency front.
We'll probably get a better idea once the 4 core Ryzen CPUs drop, but from the 7700k LN2 runs, we know that the process is quite mature in terms of what those chips can hit.
1. 7700k uses different process altogether
2. No, 6700k too do not have anything to do with mature process, last batch of Broadwell-Cs overclocks just as badly as the first.
 

Bouowmx

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Streaming even just 1080p video eats more CPU time than you'd think...

Add on top of that Discord and whatever other random clients running in the background...

GPU takes care of video decoding. Unless you have some video with losslessly compressed RGB or YUV with no chroma subsampling.

Mumble audio decoding and networking measages are hardly intensive.

There are many fine justifications for more cores but Google Chrome and Discord...
 
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