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I have no problem with Ryzens performance vs Intel, it is close enough in games with fast memory. My problem and why more people aren't buying Ryzen is that it is a pain to get working right, ram should just work at 3200-3600 speeds to be same and competitive with Intel. And more importantly no one wants to be the beta tester and guinea pigs. What if Ryzen chips all burn out in 3 months or a year? Hell at default bios settings they got to 1.5v. Once the ram issue is worked out and their is a history of the chips not dying and systems becoming stable, people will be all over Ryzen, IF that happens before Skylake-X in a few months
 
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I have no problem with Ryzens performance vs Intel, it is close enough in games with fast memory. My problem and why more people aren't buying Ryzen is that it is a pain to get working right, ram should just work at 3200-3600 speeds to be same and competitive with Intel. And more importantly no one wants to be the beta tester and guinea pigs. What if Ryzen chips all burn out in 3 months or a year? Hell at default bios settings they got to 1.5v. Once the ram issue is worked out and their is a history of the chips not dying and systems becoming stable, people will be all over Ryzen, IF that happens before Skylake-X in a few months

Intel's supported memory speed is 2133 for the Z170 platform and 2400 for Z270. AMD supports upto 2667 right now. Anything beyond that is OC and not guaranteed by the chip manufacturer to work. AMD committed to supporting more multipliers and higher speeds in the May BIOS update though. You can see "ram should just work at 3200-3600 speeds" is fantasy. No one is being taken by surprise unless they are ignorant of stated specs.
 

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I'm still beating the crap out of my 1700 @ 4GHz and $79.99 mATX motherboard. No failure yet.
 

richierich1212

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I have no problem with Ryzens performance vs Intel, it is close enough in games with fast memory. My problem and why more people aren't buying Ryzen is that it is a pain to get working right, ram should just work at 3200-3600 speeds to be same and competitive with Intel. And more importantly no one wants to be the beta tester and guinea pigs. What if Ryzen chips all burn out in 3 months or a year? Hell at default bios settings they got to 1.5v. Once the ram issue is worked out and their is a history of the chips not dying and systems becoming stable, people will be all over Ryzen, IF that happens before Skylake-X in a few months

Ok and what about all the issues that X99 has? Heck even recently a poster said their 6850X just died:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/my-6850x-just-died-just-like-that.2500188/

And how long has that platform been out? There's also other issues with that platform. I guess Intel HEDT platform has been cost prohibitive therefore there hasn't been as many posts?

There haven't been any reports of Ryzen CPUs getting killed but the big issue that I've seen is the Crosshairs VI getting bricked early on. That's been fixed with the latest BIOS update.

Memory still ran at slower speeds even if they weren't compatible. AMD just updated the AGESA code for more compatibility with another release coming next month.

Can't tell if people are really serious or just shills or trolls.
 

w3rd

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The AM4 platform had a busy first month after release... I am sure the next 4 years will be pretty stable. Much more refinement coming.
 

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ronss: From everything I read, you made a very wise decision purchasing the 1600x. I really like my 1800x but I paid $499 vs you paying $249! I paid quite a premium for the extra cores/threads.

I have an Asus Prime B350 Plus mb that I used for my 1800s before I could snag an Asus Crosshair VI to use with the 1800x. Now that the 1600x has come out, it looks like a perfect mate for my Asus Prime B350 mb.
the 1800x is nice....but lots of $$$$....mine is on its way , got it from newegg...quess the california store is out, coming from nj...
 

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The AM4 platform had a busy first month after release... I am sure the next 4 years will be pretty stable. Much more refinement coming.

I expect the pace of improvement to drop off - maybe in 2 months we'll have the same progress we've seen through March and into early April. But the platform is well short of being optimised yet.
 

DrMrLordX

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But what they definitely aren't doing is building systems themselves, installing them, pulling them, working on the bad system, and reinstalling it themselves.

Okay, so basically the ODM completes the design, and then a contractor layer completes the build and provides support.

Like a stern dad who is a strict disciplinarian to his kid but underneath it's all about love? Yeah, it will take some convincing for me to believe that.

Do stern dads frequently get banned from Internet forums by their uh . . . children?

what is this bizzarro world?

A world where AMD - trading at $12.31 - is considered to be undervalued. Yowza.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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the ryzen 1800x is directed toward the server market.....its probably very formiable there
the real amd zen server chips will be under the opteron brand and they will be 32 cores , 64 threading monster. it is amazing to think 8 cores, 16 threads, which is number of cores on server chips only just a few years ago is now on consumer chips.
 

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Okay, so basically the ODM completes the design, and then a contractor layer completes the build and provides support.



Do stern dads frequently get banned from Internet forums by their uh . . . children?



A world where AMD - trading at $12.31 - is considered to be undervalued. Yowza.

This thread is all about market manipulation!
 

IllogicalGlory

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wow, and here we go again:

6 months ago, A chip that was supposed to be ~Ivy Bridge and still considered a remarkable achievement for AMD. Well, the undisputed reality is that it can scratch and claw at Intel's latest and greatest, but it just isn't enough. Consider that benches are currently showing the 1600X/1600 at the same performance level of 1800X in games. ...that's a $250 part that is "a disastrous 4% less!" than a $350 7700k! Oh, Memory latency is still an issue with many boards and many BIOS, and so it still has some performance to pick up? Oh....



what is this bizzarro world?
Missing the point of the discussion. You're going off into the rhapsody about how much of an achievement it is for AMD, and I do not deny that, at all. It is impressive and competitive, and a serious option at some of its price points. I would recommend the 1600/X in a second over an i5 for most users, easily (excepting those for whom single-core performance takes priority). The Ryzen 7 line, I'm a bit less sure about, it's probably only a better choice for a small number of users. 6/12 seems like the ideal configuration right now.

However, we shouldn't really be recommending or evaluating a product based on its implications for a company, we should be evaluating them based on their place in the price stack and their performance in applications that are important to the user relative to other options. There's nothing wrong with concluding that even in that context, it is very impressive, but there's also nothing wrong with concluding that Intel stuff can also be compelling. It doesn't make a you a hack or fanboy.

Furthermore, I was using that performance to demonstrate my point about how Ryzen does have an advantage in games because of its extra cores, despite claims that it has no advantage over the 7700K; the specifics of where it lands are another matter. Taking it out of context as proof that I'm hating on Ryzen or something is not fair.

You'll notice that I actually haven't really discussed how impressive or otherwise I find Ryzen or whether I would recommend it. That's beyond the scope of what I was intending to discuss, but it's pretty easy to misinterpret. Mainly, I wanted to dispel some of this unwarranted criticism of GamersNexus, along with this silly r/AMD-esque personal attacks and other nonsense.

For the record: I don't have any issue with the arguments presented in your post. It's a completely fair evaluation.
 

IllogicalGlory

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It is 100% false. You did exactly that by pointing to one suite of games, and saying 8 cores have basically peaked already. It's utter nonsense... This was a CPU benchmark, so they picked the best games that scaled with the additional CPU threads! That's why the 6900k won the suite! These were hand picked games.

Also, if you take out the extreme outliers from your source. The 7700k beats the 1800x by 2%, and the 6900k wins by 10%.

His video is what was silly. I am not sure how you cannot see that...

PS: I am far from an AMD fanboy too. I support AMD to support competition in the marketplace, assuming their hardware is comparable to that of their competitors.
To the bolded: stop putting words in my mouth. If you need reminding about what I said, here it is:
but I remember before Ryzen's launch seeing this Computerbase article as proof that games are already able to take advantage of Ryzen. As far as I'm concerned, that conclusion still holds. If Ryzen did perform properly in games, we would see the 1800X literally topping Computerbase's benchmark charts

Nothing in there implies that I believe Ryzen's performance has peaked, just that its extra cores can be taken advantage of in numerous games. If it performed on par with Broadwell-E like it does in Cinebench, Handbrake and Blender, its extra clock speed would allow it to literally top the charts in Computerbase's suite. Its performance has improved since then, though.

I do, however, have a bit of a problem with that argument as a whole because there's no solid information about how long it will take for Ryzen's performance to go up. Personally, I think it's best to evaluate the product as it stands right now, and mention its potential improvement as another mark in its favor, but I don't like dealing in speculation, and I can tell that Steve Burke doesn't either.

His video presented a diverse suite of CPU benchmarks and reasonable commentary about them as far as I can tell.

If you aren't a fanboy, then can you please stop trying to humiliate or tease the people who disagree with you, and instead use a reasoned argument to convince me (and others) instead? If the video is silly, explain to me why. I really do want to know.
 
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DrMrLordX

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The Ryzen 7 line, I'm a bit less sure about, it's probably only a better choice for a small number of users. 6/12 seems like the ideal configuration right now.

Wat

The 1700 and 1800x are amazing values for content creators/workstation users. You have to pay at least twice as much to get the same performance from Intel. The 1700x is in an awkward place, but for those who want to OC the 1700 is a steal. The 1800x is still a good value for those who are not so comfortable with overclocking.

I fully expect that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of workstation users out there right now that would be well-served by an 8c/16t Summit Ridge.
 

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The 1700 and 1800x are amazing values for content creators/workstation users. You have to pay at least twice as much to get the same performance from Intel. The 1700x is in an awkward place, but for those who want to OC the 1700 is a steal. The 1800x is still a good value for those who are not so comfortable with overclocking.

I fully expect that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of workstation users out there right now that would be well-served by an 8c/16t Summit Ridge.
Also home server market. I'm just waiting to see thread ripper prices and to see more am4 ecc development before replacing the old ecc enabled 8350's
 

DrMrLordX

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This thread is all about market manipulation!

btw forgot to reply to this earlier, but given that AMD has lost ~$2 of value over the last two weeks, I would say that nobody here has done a particularly good job of manipulating the market in AMD's favor, if that were ever the intent.
 

IllogicalGlory

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Wat

The 1700 and 1800x are amazing values for content creators/workstation users. You have to pay at least twice as much to get the same performance from Intel. The 1700x is in an awkward place, but for those who want to OC the 1700 is a steal. The 1800x is still a good value for those who are not so comfortable with overclocking.

I fully expect that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of workstation users out there right now that would be well-served by an 8c/16t Summit Ridge.
They are amazing values, I'm not talking about workstation users. The 1700 is the CPU to buy if you're a streamer or content creator, the 1600/X is the CPU to buy if you game, the 1700 just doesn't make much sense for that. What's so controversial? They're easily outpacing their price competitors.
btw forgot to reply to this earlier, but given that AMD has lost ~$2 of value over the last two weeks, I would say that nobody here has done a particularly good job of manipulating the market in AMD's favor, if that were ever the intent.
???

Do you really think a couple of posts on Anandtech are affecting that? I don't own any stock in anything, by the way. I'm a student, I barely have any money.

I'm not even attacking Ryzen, I think that they're pretty freaking great for a lot users, really interesting products. I don't know how my posts got construed as that. I really am not trying to downplay it. Honest.

If my posts don't seem ecstatic, it's because I'm having trouble evaluating CPU performance with Ryzen available now. With Bulldozer, it was easy, there were only a small number of situations where an FX-8320 was worth getting. Now we've got Ryzen providing awesome multi-thread performance, and slightly inferior gaming performance compared to Intel offerings (especially the i5 line, which I never really liked). I'm not overly familiar with what people in production capacities use their CPUs for, so I mostly look at real-world use cases I'm familiar with: gaming, emulation and streaming. Ryzen doesn't really bring anything huge to the former two, I'm sure you'll agree, and I don't stream, but I do know that it scales nicely with cores. It's not really a product that's meant for me. The work I do can be done just fine on a Core 2 Duo machine.

I'd really like to see some people who built a Ryzen system, who do production level stuff and hear how it affected them, compared to i7s or i5s that they were using a year ago. I'm just kind of looking for specific use cases, important to people who post here, who value performance/dollar, where Ryzen greatly outshines the competition.
 
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They are amazing values, I'm not talking about workstation users. The 1700 is the CPU to buy if you're a streamer or content creator, the 1600X is the CPU to buy if you game, the 1700 just doesn't make much sense for that. What's so controversial? They're easily outpacing their price competitors.
What you're saying make sense, I'm sure they're just taking it a bit stronger than intended. Content creators/streamers/workstation/homeserver users are actually the "smaller" amount of users so yes the R5's are the better suited CPU for the mainstream gamer, absolutely. If pricing is a factor, then definitely the R5 is the ideal CPU.
 
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I think the issue is coming from this:
The Ryzen 7 line, I'm a bit less sure about, it's probably only a better choice for a small number of users. 6/12 seems like the ideal configuration right now.

I'm not so sure that 6/12 is going to be best going forward. If they put in the effort to enable better multi-threading, and talking about the advantages of more cores (more multitasking and ability to run things in the background whilst gaming), then the more cores likely the better, and tasks that already make good use of multicores I think already shows some improvement.

It's kinda like with VRAM on GPUs, where generally they push for doubling (512MB to 1GB to 2GB to 4GB to 8GB), so will doing in between cause issues? It can be fine (even look like it offers all the benefits of the 8, but at a lower price), only for that to not end up being true going forward due to the doubling being the general target. Usually it's not a big issue (and by the time it does become an issue, you can fairly cheaply/easily change, although the point being is what to recommend for people that are not enthusiasts that change components much more frequently).

Ryzen is actually weird in that it presents a tremendous value, and yet you could argue it is somewhat overpriced compared to itself in that if you compare say the 1600X to the 1800X, it's double the cost for 2 extra cores/4 extra threads.

However, I think things are even a bit different. I see a lot of people saying that the 1600X/1800X are more for people that don't want to overclock since they have the highest clock speeds, but the reality is that I think that's just not right. I get the trepidation about overclocking, but unless things have changed, and granted with the board situation right now it might not be as easy as it has been in the past, but overclocking these should be exceptionally easy, and so I really think the best recommendations and most apt comparisons should be with the 1600 and 1700 non X models.

They come with an adequate HSF (so at minimum you're likely looking at additional extra cost for the X models, which means they present even less value), and is there any Ryzen that aren't hitting 3.7 if not 3.8? I know 3.9 and 4.0+ is more scarce (not entirely out of the question though). Sure you're not guaranteed 4.0GHz like the 1600X/1800X but even 3.7 vs 4.0 is not going to make that much difference (certainly is not going to be enough that it'll be all roses at 4.0GHz but garbage at 3.7). But they provide the most cores/threads for the cost, come with HSF that is capable of handling them at 3.7-3.8 and likely could at 4.0 unless you have an awful case (which you could put the savings towards a better case).

I just don't think the enthusiast focused versions make much sense right now. Maybe if production tweaks and binning and they start offering worthwhile gains for enthusiasts that would change. But I'd say that the money saved (even with the 1600X vs non X) would be better spent towards a better board that would in theory hold up better for say Zen+/++ and save you money longer term. Actually even shorter term, better boards will likely keep up with memory speed improvements better and that seems to be offer a substantial benefit. Even if you argue that buying a really good board isn't a good idea now due to the platform needing to mature, would 3.7 not be possible on even cheap boards? So just go for best value across the board, and then optimize other value (SSD, where you can often get better value by going up to the next tier, so going to say 500GB from 250GB), or more tangible benefit hardware (monitor) or other hardware that might last longer (say case where you could keep it through multiple full system upgrades).

The X versions still actually offer great value, but we're in a weird area where the best value chips seems to make the most sense for just about everyone. Enthusiasts who are going to overclock will likely get 99% of the performance they were seeking, for less money, and average/price conscious people get the best bang for the buck.

But ultimately I guess I think the argument is, is the extra 2 cores/4threads on the 1700 worth the ~$100 over the 1600? It represents around a 50% higher price for 33% more. The 1700 is incredible value, but compared to the 1600 you could argue it is actually is kinda poor value.
 
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The next Ryzen I build will be a 1600x on the Asus Prime B350 plus mb I already have.
 
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DrMrLordX

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They are amazing values, I'm not talking about workstation users.

Okay, why aren't you talking about them? There are a ton of people that rely on desktop computer workstations for personal and/or professional work. If you consider the amount of money those people spend individually on their equipment, the rate at which they upgrade, and so forth, they probably amount to a more-important segment of the PC market than gamers which is the only area where Summit Ridge makes maybe less sense than existing Intel products (or 6c/12t Summit Ridge).

Do you really think a couple of posts on Anandtech are affecting that?

Consider the post to which I was responding . . .

If my posts don't seem ecstatic, it's because I'm having trouble evaluating CPU performance with Ryzen available now. With Bulldozer, it was easy, there were only a small number of situations where an FX-8320 was worth getting. Now we've got Ryzen providing awesome multi-thread performance, and slightly inferior gaming performance compared to Intel offerings (especially the i5 line, which I never really liked). I'm not overly familiar with what people in production capacities use their CPUs for, so I mostly look at real-world use cases I'm familiar with: gaming, emulation and streaming. Ryzen doesn't really bring anything huge to the former two, I'm sure you'll agree, and I don't stream, but I do know that it scales nicely with cores. It's not really a product that's meant for me. The work I do can be done just fine on a Core 2 Duo machine.

Your post made it sound like the product isn't really meant for anyone. Well, the 8c/16t products anyway.
 

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Okay, why aren't you talking about them? There are a ton of people that rely on desktop computer workstations for personal and/or professional work. If you consider the amount of money those people spend individually on their equipment, the rate at which they upgrade, and so forth, they probably amount to a more-important segment of the PC market than gamers which is the only area where Summit Ridge makes maybe less sense than existing Intel products (or 6c/12t Summit Ridge).

Your post made it sound like the product isn't really meant for anyone. Well, the 8c/16t products anyway.
See, you should be right on this one, but I do wonder how many professional workstations really use the kind of thread-level parallel workloads that Zen is best at. Can you give specifics?

It's not worth it for many of us. Obviously extra cores and threads can be useful in some cases. 6/12 is the right number for gaming though. That was my point.
 

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This summer, AM4 boards & Ryzen will be predominant choice of people when building a new rigs. I would suggest that Ryzen & AM4 offer's what 98% of everyone needs. There is little reason not to recommend an AM4 build.


Those other 2% are outliers.
 
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