Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[Topweasel]

This is BIG:

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop

And there is the product stack I was talking about OEM needed

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop/ddcwrdsk920s

A Bristol Ridge sighting. Raven Ridge can't get here soon enough.

 

[nathanddrews]

This is BIG:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop

Not only that, but Alienware Area 51 will be an OEM exclusive for AMD's ThreadRipper for 2017:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alienware-area-51-threadripper-vega,34815.html

 

[moinmoin]

I'm surprised to see Dell incorporating Ryzen so early. Securing exclusive ThreadRipper and now Ryzen in gaming desktops. As a long time big partner with Intel, this is a very good sign.

If we see EPYC servers soon from Dell then truly Intel has its big competitor back.

It's fun to have all that in mind while still seeing the obligatory "Intel® Core™ Processors - Compare" advert on every page.

 

[Veradun]

Not only that, but Alienware Area 51 will be an OEM exclusive for AMD's ThreadRipper for 2017:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alienware-area-51-threadripper-vega,34815.html

Point is Area51 is a low volume product, Inspiron isn't, and that says a lot about volumes of Ryzen, the biggest IF for AMD as a Company.

 

[krumme]

How many desktop inspiron is sold anyway? Isnt most laptops?

 

[Malogeek]

How many desktop inspiron is sold anyway? Isnt most laptops?

Probably one of the most sold consumer desktops there is lol

 

[ultima_trev]

3D Mark Fire Strike, especially the "Combined Score" aspect seems to have been a point of contention with Ryzen. Well, by using Window's Power Saver profile versus High Performance my score increased quite a bit:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12894899/fs/12297524

So I ask, does this f*** up belong with Microsoft, AMD or Futuremark?

 

[Ozzyrulez]

I've noticed this same exact behavior with my system. Balanced profile gets me a large increase in Firestrike combined vs High Performance or Ryzen balanced.

 

[krumme]

Probably one of the most sold consumer desktops there is lol

Ok. I thought this was things people bought 6 years ago. Do we have any stat on it?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

So I ask, does this f*** up belong with Microsoft, AMD or Futuremark?

I would guess that the answer is all of the above, or none of the above, depending on the perspective. However, AMD has attempted to address problems like this with their Ryzen balanced profile, which apparently doesn't work, so the ball seems to be in AMD's court right now.

 

[tamz_msc]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1627430/the-tale-of-ryzen-and-firestrike-problems-ahead

This seems relevant to the present discussion.

 

[Malogeek]

Ok. I thought this was things people bought 6 years ago. Do we have any stat on it?

I'm not referring to the change from desktop environments to tablets etc. I'm referring to the fact that in consumer desktop space, it's one of the most sold brands. Yes desktop sales are down but it's still a massive market.

 

[krumme]

I'm not referring to the change from desktop environments to tablets etc. I'm referring to the fact that in consumer desktop space, it's one of the most sold brands. Yes desktop sales are down but it's still a massive market.

Yes i guess there is still sold a lot i just never see it in adds or in the major general electronic shops. But hey i dont go there much.
Great there is still life in the desktop though and yep i recon inspiron speaks volume if anything is in this market.
I am sure that means tons of inspiron amd apu is comming this fall or q1. Perhaps they are trying to be friends after all its not Michael and Otellini ruling the streets any more.

 

[csbin]

"Ah here: B2 stepping approach to Zen. It fixes many hardware bugs." - Canard PC

 

[sushukka]

I'm surprised to see Dell incorporating Ryzen so early. Securing exclusive ThreadRipper and now Ryzen in gaming desktops. As a long time big partner with Intel, this is a very good sign.

If we see EPYC servers soon from Dell then truly Intel has its big competitor back.

Hehe, maybe Dell has bad conscience about the Intel bribery decade ago...or they like to give some punch back to Intel or...What the reason really is, it's funny to see Dell as one of the early adopters because they were probably the most Intel bribed/forced OEM manufacturer in the Intel vs. AMD case. Maybe there is some justice in this world after all.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...for-unfair-and-damaging-practices-against-amd

 

[coercitiv]

Hehe, maybe Dell has bad conscience about the Intel bribery decade ago...or they like to give some punch back to Intel or...What the reason really is, it's funny to see Dell as one of the early adopters because they were probably the most Intel bribed/forced OEM manufacturer in the Intel vs. AMD case. Maybe there is some justice in this world after all.

Or maybe Dell is privately owned now.

 

[coffeemonster]

This is BIG:

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop

it's a shame all of them come with 2400 DDR4

 

[piesquared]

Or maybe Dell is privately owned now.

And maybe Rory Reed convinced the execs at Dell that competition is a good thing.

 

[Veradun]

it's a shame all of them come with 2400 DDR4

I'm on #teamwhocares regarding high MT rate for ram :>

 

[Puffnstuff]

I can't wait for threadripper to hit the streets en masse. AMD will most definitely be powering my next build.

 

[cmvrgr]

I can't wait for threadripper to hit the streets en masse. AMD will most definitely be powering my next build.

I am thinking the same too but I have many questions as I have to build a system with smaller form factor.

1. Will mATX motherboards be available for Thread ripper?
2. Will be adequate for cooling a liquid system with a radiator and a single 120possible fan?
3. Will be a cooling solutions for smaller cases or they assume that High performance enthusiasts all have huge chassis and full ATX motherboards ?

I am always talking for the version with 16 cores and 850$ price.

I hope that mATX motherboards will be available as x299 from Intel has already motherboards on that form factor for i9 cpus.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Will mATX motherboards be available for Thread ripper?

I don't see why not, however, I'd only expect to see 4 dimm slots on it. As for cooling a single 120mm radiator would probably be too small. I'm looking to move to a smaller case myself and retire my CoolerMaster HAF932 for something of the cubed variety. I was thinking about using air and getting a large Noctua HSF since the mb will be laying flat removing the stress off it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Awhile back someone was complaining that they had built a Ryzen system for a family member (I think?) and that they found the Fallout4 performance @ 1080p to be unacceptable. I personally run it at 1600x1200 which is a few pixels off from 1080p - specifically, it's only 92.5% as many pixels as what you get in 1080p, but it is very close. For example I get about the same framerates with Unigine Superposition with 1600x1200 and 1080p same settings; maybe +2 fps average with the lower res.

Here is Fallout 4 at the Diamond City entrance. Hardware is 1800x @ 4.0 GHz, 16 GB DDR4-3466 14-14-14-28t 1T, Powercolor R9 390 @ stock (1010/1500).

Sound is off 'cuz that's how I roll. For now.

The game is a solid 60 fps everywhere I go, so . . . I don't see Ryzen being a problem for this game @ 1080p?

 

[USER8000]

Awhile back someone was complaining that they had built a Ryzen system for a family member (I think?) and that they found the Fallout4 performance @ 1080p to be unacceptable. I personally run it at 1600x1200 which is a few pixels off from 1080p - specifically, it's only 92.5% as many pixels as what you get in 1080p, but it is very close. For example I get about the same framerates with Unigine Superposition with 1600x1200 and 1080p same settings; maybe +2 fps average with the lower res.

Here is Fallout 4 at the Diamond City entrance. Hardware is 1800x @ 4.0 GHz, 16 GB DDR4-3466 14-14-14-28t 1T, Powercolor R9 390 @ stock (1010/1500).

Sound is off 'cuz that's how I roll. For now.

The game is a solid 60 fps everywhere I go, so . . . I don't see Ryzen being a problem for this game @ 1080p?

For the most part it isn't and I say that having a Core i7 3770,but the performance can go south if you like using a lot of mods and building large settlements with lots of NPCs,as even though the game can use a reasonable amount of cores,it is limited by a single thread and memory bottlenecked too. What you see is not averages being an issue but points of low minimums.

On both Intel and AMD systems increasing memory speed can give big performance uplifts and you are using expensive RAM(Samsung B die stuff I expect??) - a lot of people will be limited to lower clockspeed RAM in practice,especially if they are not using the more expensive sets. In the UK for example getting Samsung B-die based sets is a real pain in the arse,as Corsair seems to have a near monopoly outside some enthusiast shops,and its a lottery going with them. G.Skill stuff is available but spending £150+ on RAM for a £190 to £200 chip with a £80 to £100 motherboard is taking money out of the graphics card budget. In the end with the Ryzen builds I have done,which were Ryzen 5 based,the systems have run the RAM at between 2666MHZ~3000MHZ.

Edit to post.

In fact if you just look at the Intel CPUs in Fallout 4 - Sandy Bridge,Ivy Bridge and Haswell are closely grouped together in performance - for whatever reason Skylake seemed to show a big performance uplift(one of the biggest of any game over Haswell) with Fallout4.

One of the few reviews to test settlement performance was the HardOCP one in late May:

https://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/14958035970qy2jlakgl_5_2.png

You see the issue here - its minimums and it gets worse when you use certain kinds of mods which this review didn't use.

The game really needs better optimisation as Bethesda has had issues before - remember the X87 instructions in Skyrim?? The community had to step and sort that mess out long before Bethesda patched the game to improve performance. The Creation engine has its origin in the Gamebryo engine which was released in the early 1990s.

Ultimately,I do think there is more performance to be had from Ryzen,since in some other games which are bottlenecked by single threads it does perform relatively better.

Second Edit to post.

The Kaby Lake system is using 3600MHZ RAM,the Sandy Bridge system is using 2133MHZ DDR3 and the Ryzen system is using 2933MHZ DDR4.

To give you an idea of how much memory speed helps in the game,look at memory scaling with a 4.5GHZ Core i7 6700K:

https://techspot-static-xjzaqowzxaoif5.stackpathdns.com/articles-info/1171/bench/Fallout.png

I expect similar with Ryzen too.

 

[Oddzz]

To add to that here are some memory benchmarks for FO4 on a Ryzen 1600:
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/j..._amd_ryzen_5_test_ddr4_21333200_mhz?page=0,13