Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[Malogeek]

I right now own a i7-4930k, not overclocked. I recently returned a i7-7700k/motherboard combo, not for performance reasons. I'm considering a Ryzen 1800x for my next system upgrade. I want to only upgrade for X-Plane 11 performance as I frequently play that game. How do Ryzen 1800x's perform in X-Plane 11? What about in the future as more updates come to X-Plane 11?

I would determine via the community for the game what the threading characteristics are for the game. If it's highly dependent on a single thread for draw call submission and main rendering task and doesn't really take advantage of multiple cores then you're better off with an Intel 7700k.

As far as updates, only the developer would know?

 

[USER8000]

As much as I would like to believe the 9800 would be faster in most games due to the better iGPU, the reality is that the speed increase would only happen at generally-unplayable resolutions. Many iGPU gamers are on either 1024x768 or 720p where the 7870k will probably be faster.

And upgrade path? How is that relevant? Anyone who already has the 7870k (or similar) . . . has the hardware. They spend $0 to use that solution, so upgrade path is irrelevant.

BR is not a sufficiently-compelling solution to get people on to AM4. It is last year's product, and it was already behind the curve then. If B350 and BR had launched in Nov 2016 then maybe. Today? I'm just not seeing it.

It actually has better compression and the graphics process actually supports HTPC usage much better.

Also,the upgrade path is only irrelevant to you ,because you can't upgrade but someone with an A8 9600 now can use a Ryzen 5 1600 or any existing AM4 OEM PC. Motherboards are far less of a consideration now for AMD due to the low power consumption of AM4.I know plenty of people who upgrade their OEM PCs,or low end builds from a Pentium or Core i3 to a Core i5,etc. So what if the G4560 is good,but only on internet forums do people think someone buying a £60 CPU will more likely buy a £300 to £350 CPU as opposed to one which is now £189. Just because the cost of entry seems low,does not make socket 1155 that attractive for a gamer or anyone.

You have spent way too much time on forums,mate. Like I mentioned I have an A8 3870K system which I tried out with a GTX960,and the performance jump over integrated graphics was huge - all people on forums go is measurebating about what is bottlenecking,when even a 5.2GHZ Core i7 7700K might even bottleneck. So frelling what?? My Core i7 3770 bottlenecks my GTX1080,but yet I am getting good performance in almost every game I play still.

There are plenty of channels on YouTube with people showing performance with these kind of configurations.

If someone is still sticking with a £60 CPU,when upgrading their card,either that CPU is a stop-gap until they get a better one,or it is more likely they are so budget limited they will get a cheap card like a GTX1050. At that point it means nothing,since again you are 9/10 hitting a graphics bottleneck - its like people pixel peeping smartphone cameras at that point.

Maybe we need to agree to disagree or something like that.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I have a 5 year old A8 3870K system I built on a whim,and its perfectly fine for normal usage. It even can run some games still and as a joke I tried a GTX960 in it for the LOLs. It did much better than I expected.

Don't underestimate the Stars core. It wasn't a bad design, just held back by low'ish clockspeeds. At 3GHz it is decent even today.

I still think AMD should have sent samples for reviews. It's actually looking to be a decent Pentium competitor, especially iGPU gaming. The Pentium has no chance.

Yes, at the right price they will be worthy budget picks. Just don't expect too much from it, have a couple Athlon 845s, the performance (6800K/7890K-level) is very good at the price I paid for them.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Maybe we need to agree to disagree or something like that.

Or maybe we should look at some actual gaming benchmarks:

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/72...igpuncounterstrike-global-offensive-1920x1080

Though I think the res is too high for iGPU gaming. Anyway the A12-9800 only wins in Dota2 with medium detail level. The superior iGPU is held back by the low l2 cache of Bristol Ridge. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

Anyway at lower res the 7870k wins by a larger margin, 7890k even moreso. Until recently I was gaming on my 7870k @ 1024x768 or 800x600 depending on the game, using the iGPU.

Once you bring dGPUs into the mix, the conversation is moot, and we would be better off talking about the R3 chips instead.

 

[Crumpet]

Disclaimer, i'm not a professional benchmarker, nor a professional overclocker.

All i've done is take different RAM speeds, and test them in a popular game for others to see the potential for improvements for the average end user.

Unfortunately a spreadsheet doesn't show the massive FPS gains in certain areas, so i'll have to configure OBS and record some gameplay in the future. Anyway, go nuts;

 

[Crumpet]

Part 2 of my Memory Test Review.

A video showing 2400Mhz RAM vs 3466Mhz RAM in GTA V

 

[USER8000]

Or maybe we should look at some actual gaming benchmarks:

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/72...igpuncounterstrike-global-offensive-1920x1080

Though I think the res is too high for iGPU gaming. Anyway the A12-9800 only wins in Dota2 with medium detail level. The superior iGPU is held back by the low l2 cache of Bristol Ridge. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

Anyway at lower res the 7870k wins by a larger margin, 7890k even moreso. Until recently I was gaming on my 7870k @ 1024x768 or 800x600 depending on the game, using the iGPU.

Once you bring dGPUs into the mix, the conversation is moot, and we would be better off talking about the R3 chips instead.

LOL you are stuck on socket FM2+ and can't upgrade until you change platforms. In the end,people can still get a BR CPU,have great integrated graphics and have an upgrade path upto 8 cores and that includes people buying cheap prebuilt rigs with even an A320 motherboard,due to the lower 65W rating of many of the Ryzen parts.

Also to burst your bubble,the integrated graphics on your your FM2+ CPU lacks modern media decode capabilities,and is at least a generation out of date.

This is why you are so salty about Bristol Ridge,someone can still upgrade their card and get a big performance increase over integrated ,and they can then have the option of getting a CPU which blows your old one of the water,if they actually hit a real CPU bottleneck.

You can do that but not with FM2+,as the other bloke ended up getting a Core i7 7700,so explains his resistance towards AM4. Also now you shift it to the Ryzen 3,since you know it lacks integrated graphics so you can upsell up your CPU since you know it was cheaper,and you know very well plenty of budget prebuilt AMD PCs will come with Bristol Ridge instead of Ryzen due to the integrated graphics.

Edit to post.

Also,since I also have a GTX960(and a GTX1080),did you even bother to look at the graphs with a GTX960??

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/72...chmarks-gtx-960-f1-2015n1920x1080-mediumultra

In F1 2015 at 1080p,both CPUs are within a 5% margin of error,in GTA V the A12 barely wins,and in Mad Max its within a 5% margin of error.

There is nothing in it - in most games the CPU is a lesser limit than a graphics card.

Also if you hit a CPU limit,the piddly differences between a A12 9800 and an A8 7870K will make less difference than slotting in a new CPU.

Then you have the Intel Pentium CPUs which still have worse graphics performance in plenty of games,and has a stupidly expensive upgrade path.

By the time you add a basic cooler for around £20 to £30,you are easily looking £40 to £50 more for a Core i5 7600k over a Ryzen 5 1600. A Core i7 7700K is over £300 here without a cooler.

Nobody is interested in socket FM2+ mate.


Second Edit to post.

I just checked the price in the UK:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd...-thread-42ghz-2mb-cache-radeon-65w-cpu-retail
https://www.cclonline.com/product/2...C2BbIuo362H3Yvsla8P370DmKYvDNgOgaAnljEALw_wcB

https://www.cclonline.com/product/2...lerated-Processing-Unit-APU-4MB-PIB-/CPU0405/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd...-thread-38ghz-2mb-cache-radeon-65w-cpu-retail

Hardly a difference between 2400MHZ DDR3 and 2666MHZ DDR4 prices:

https://www.cclonline.com/category/...tm_campaign=pc-components/ddr3-desktop-memory
https://www.cclonline.com/category/...tm_campaign=pc-components/ddr4-desktop-memory

Roughly £61 for a 8GB 2400MHZ DDR3 kit and roughly £67 for a 2666MHZ DDR4 kit.

There is hardly any difference in the price of the CPUs either,so why would anyone want to buy an FM2+ CPU right now for a budget rig or even get a Kaveri prebuilt PC over a Bristol Ridge one. Seems an utter waste of money.

So yes we need to agree to disagree.

 

[Malogeek]

Part 2 of my Memory Test Review

Not sure I trust information from someone who let's his CPUs rust!

 

[USER8000]

Don't underestimate the Stars core. It wasn't a bad design, just held back by low'ish clockspeeds. At 3GHz it is decent even today.



Yes, at the right price they will be worthy budget picks. Just don't expect too much from it, have a couple Athlon 845s, the performance (6800K/7890K-level) is very good at the price I paid for them.

Its still great for basic tasks even now,but it shows that a system with even a relatively weak CPU,can get a big upgrade in performance from a graphics card upgrade. AMD Bristol Ridge has a great advantage in having better integrated graphics performance than any sub £100 CPU Intel has in the market now,and even the sub £60 A8 9600 I expect to be solid in the integrated graphics performance and the CPU performance is sufficient that a cheap card can still be an upgrade,and then if you hit a CPU bottleneck,you have a nice upgrade path to Ryzen.

Much better than FM2+ or even socket 1155 as Intel,at least in the UK,still prices the Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs relatively high.

Coffee Lake might be another kettle of fish,but I still think AMD looks the better choice with regards to the platform and the options you have at the present if you are on a budget,or have a lower end prebuilt PC you want to upgrade.

AMD did FM2+ a great disservice by not releasing even a three module CPU on it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

LOL you are stuck on socket FM2+ and can't upgrade until you change platforms.

And? You upgrade from FM2+ to AM4 + R3 + dGPU, or AM4 + Raven Ridge. BR offers no compelling reason to upgrade. This is assuming you already own FM2+, which I did (and have since 2014). Though my upgrade was to R7 so I'm holding out for Ryzen 2 I guess.

In the end,people can still get a BR CPU,have great integrated graphics and have an upgrade path upto 8 cores and that includes people buying cheap prebuilt rigs with even an A320 motherboard,due to the lower 65W rating of many of the Ryzen parts.

Or they can do the sane thing which is hold on to whatever they have now, and then upgrade directly to AM4 + R7 or AM4 + Raven Ridge or whatever. It is simply not worth it to go out and adopt AM4 + BR with the prospect of a future upgrade. There is simply nothing compelling or useful about it.

Also to burst your bubble,the integrated graphics on your your FM2+ CPU lacks modern media decode capabilities,and is at least a generation out of date.

Pfft whatever. Might matter to the SFF crowd but I couldn't give a damn about that.

This is why you are so salty about Bristol Ridge

Wrong. I was going to buy in in Nov 2016 when AMD was SUPPOSED to launch it to the DiY crowd, but you know what? They wouldn't sell it to me! The only way to get it was to be in Germany or Japan (or to import from those zones) and get it in a combo with a dodgy A320 motherboard. Now they want to pretend it's a new and exciting part of their product lineup in Q3 2017? When Ryzen is busting out all over? What a sham.

You can do that but not with FM2+

Huh? You can slap any ol' dGPU you want on FM2+. Not that I'd bother with anything high-end but it's more-than-doable. And if you actually bothered to read the review I linked, you'd see a 960 on FM2+ generally outperforms a 960 with Bristol Ridge. Ouch.

Also,since I also have a GTX960(and a GTX1080),did you even bother to look at the graphs with a GTX960??

Yes! FM2+ won every bench except one. BR sucks for games. If you are going to use any dGPU at all, get an R3.

Nobody is interested in socket FM2+ mate.

They are if they already own it. BR is a non-upgrade in that case. Ryzen, on the other hand . . .

AMD did FM2+ a great disservice by not releasing even a three module CPU on it.

Sadly, according to those in-the-know, the power draw from a 3M Steamroller would have been off the charts. Only two or three FM2+ boards would have been built well-enough to handle such a chip. Believe me when I tell you that I would have lined up to buy one had they released it! But AMD simply wasn't going to commit any resources to such a monstrosity. Or really anything with more than two modules after Piledriver.

 

[Abwx]

Sadly, according to those in-the-know, the power draw from a 3M Steamroller would have been off the charts. Only two or three FM2+ boards would have been built well-enough to handle such a chip. Believe me when I tell you that I would have lined up to buy one had they released it! But AMD simply wasn't going to commit any resources to such a monstrosity. Or really anything with more than two modules after Piledriver.

A 4M Stearmroller would had topped at 115W/3.7GHz in Prime 95, and slightly below 100W with regular MT loads, that wasnt enough perf/watt improvement over the FX8350 to justify a new 8C CPU.

 

[DrMrLordX]

A 4M Stearmroller would had topped at 115W/3.7GHz in Prime 95, and slightly below 100W with regular MT loads, that wasnt enough perf/watt improvement over the FX8350 to justify a new 8C CPU.

Yeah it was kind of an "ouch" moment for FM2+ fans, but hey water under the bridge. The power draw it would have taken to get 3m parts running @ 4.5 GHz would have been ugly. Now AMD has a better product lineup, so we don't really have to worry about that anymore.

 

[jpiniero]

STH reviewed Epyc: https://www.servethehome.com/dual-amd-epyc-7601-processor-performance-and-review-part-1/

Very good scores, especially the cray. Moar corez sure helps!

 

[SPBHM]

the GTA video is very interesting, I guess for gaming 1600 + 3200+ is a much better choice than 1700 + 2133-2400.

 

[IEC]

With B-die you should try to use The Stilt's timing sets:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/20660#post_26178558

You can obtain double digit FPS gains just between DDR4-3200 CL14 Auto timings and tuned timings, as seen on AMD's article about fine-tuning latency:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog

 

[.vodka]

Yes, tight subtimings make all the difference in the world. It takes a lot of trial and error to get these stable, but if you can, it's quite the boost.

He also posted something similar for Hynix memory.

 

[Shivansps]

Is AMD doing something to force OEM to implement pstate overcloking to B350 and x370 mbs? This is a very basic thing.

 

[CarlGameDev]

Did anyone find out exactly why Ryzen isn't able to produce as much draw calls as Intel counterparts ?
Does the draw call has to go through Infinity Fabric before going to a PCI lane, or do they get throttled by a multi-threading lock inside the render thread that waits
for something to arrive from other CCX through IF ?

 

[Shivansps]

It looks like segfaults was indeed hardware issue.

https://www.techpowerup.com/235923/...rformance-issue-under-linux-tr-and-epyc-clear

 

[Jan Olšan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...onth_amd_finally_overtook_intel_cpu/?sort=old
https://imgur.com/a/O2O5C#JhUf0ys

Somebody made a statistic from the sales numbers from Mind Factory (german store).

- AMD overtook Intel in unit share AND revenue share (but the count only takes Ryzens+TR and Kaby Lake, BW-W and SKL-X into account, no older/legacy platforms. Oh and Pentiums/Celerons price level is not featured either).
- AMD's most popular chip is R5 1600, Intel's i7-7700K (this matches what Amazon best seller list says). In august, R5 1600 became most popular CPU in total,more sales than 7700K.
- keep in mind this is isolated data from one (largish?) store in EU/Germany, nothing global. Also, numbers are just for retail/DIY segment, naturally, OEM market is a wholy different animal.

 

[Jan Olšan]

Alternative graphs here, perhaps more readable: https://imgur.com/a/FcsF0

(via https://www.techpowerup.com/236746/...-sees-amd-ryzen-outsell-intel-core-processors )

Now that I look at it, AMD held 28 % at end of March (with just the spike of first month of Ryzen 7), and went to double the share, 56 % in august (R3-R7 + Threadripper).

Reminds me of this post: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-407#post-38869505
Some people argued that Ryzen was/will be fizzling after the launch and preorders effect wearing off...

 

[zinfamous]

Reminds me of this post: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-407#post-38869505
Some people argued that Ryzen was/will be fizzling after the launch and preorders effect wearing off...

That guy's intentions are abundantly clear here, and in every other forum on the interweb where he copy-pastes the exact same FUD. The guy is not a tech enthusiast, he's a paid shill. plain and simple.

And look at his hanger-ons that always like his posts. Same thing, so predictable. forever and forever. It's like flies and vinegar (yes, you actually attract more flies with vinegar than with honey. just ask me to show you--I'm a fricking scientist. )

 

[Rifter]

That guy's intentions are abundantly clear here, and in every other forum on the interweb where he copy-pastes the exact same FUD. The guy is not a tech enthusiast, he's a paid shill. plain and simple.

And look at his hanger-ons that always like his posts. Same thing, so predictable. forever and forever. It's like flies and vinegar (yes, you actually attract more flies with vinegar than with honey. just ask me to show you--I'm a fricking scientist. )

Its actually sad how obvious it is that hes a paid shill. Like hes not even trying to hide it.

 

[raghu78]

That guy's intentions are abundantly clear here, and in every other forum on the interweb where he copy-pastes the exact same FUD. The guy is not a tech enthusiast, he's a paid shill. plain and simple.

And look at his hanger-ons that always like his posts. Same thing, so predictable. forever and forever. It's like flies and vinegar (yes, you actually attract more flies with vinegar than with honey. just ask me to show you--I'm a fricking scientist. )

very well said. On the topic of Ryzen sales AMD will need a very good Pinnacle Ridge refresh to compete against Coffeelake which is looking very very good. I think 8700k will easily hit 5+ Ghz on air. AMD needs to get Pinnacle Ridge to around 4.6 - 4.7 Ghz max OC to remain competitive. I also think AMD needs to trim their Ryzen 7 price with the 2000 series at the high end to around USD 400 - USD 450. A 2800x at USD 430 - USD 450 which can overclock to 4.7 Ghz comfortably will be very attractive against a 8700k .

 

[Rifter]

very well said. On the topic of Ryzen sales AMD will need a very good Pinnacle Ridge refresh to compete against Coffeelake which is looking very very good. I think 8700k will easily hit 5+ Ghz on air. AMD needs to get Pinnacle Ridge to around 4.6 - 4.7 Ghz max OC to remain competitive. I also think AMD needs to trim their Ryzen 7 price with the 2000 series at the high end to around USD 400 - USD 450. A 2800x at USD 430 - USD 450 which can overclock to 4.7 Ghz comfortably will be very attractive against a 8700k .

I agree, there main focus should be on getting clocks up.