You might actually want to look at more RTS games then - games like Supreme Commander and Sins of a Solar Empire during late game battles could easily have under 30FPS,and even employ time dilation.
Most people are not running a GTX1070 or a similar performance card anyway.
What I actually mean is this; no gamer sacrifices fps and tolerably smooth gameplay for higher resolutions and eye-candy. Even more than that, no gamer fits his rig with a GTX 1070 and plays at resolutions bordering choppy gameplay when he/she has a GTX 1080 lying around. This is essentially what AMD is allegedly doing and it certainly raises my eyebrows.The short answer is YES. The exact answer includes words such as RTS and 99th percentile. The long answer also includes details about AOTS and how any GPU intensive load in that game is also very CPU intensive.
Less than 24 hours until gaming benches at 720p/1080p tell the full story.
Straight from AMD via PCWorld:Just for clarification, b350 can support xfire.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#productFeature-section
Only AMD’s X370 and X300 chipsets support two PCIe 3.0 x8 graphics card slots with direct access to the processor. If multi-GPU setups are used on other socket AM4 chipsets, they will not have the same PCIe 3.0 bandwidth, and those configurations are not officially supported.
I am glad he did that, at least we now know how it performs in not GPU bottlenecked scenarios.. Paired it only with 2133mhz RAM and used resolutions like 1366x768? 1600x900? If you've got that much money to drop on a mobo and that cpu surely you have a 1080p monitor at least.
How the mGPU support stuff should be read: only x370 supports x8/x8 PCI-E 3.0 split on GPUs.MULTI-GPU: With Steel Armor PCI-E slots. Supports AMD Crossfire™
I don't think the 7700K with its high ST+HT and enough cores to get by is in trouble, it's the rest of Intel's lineup that will be making less sense with the release of Ryzen, starting with HEDT.I am trying really hard to follow this conversation , so people are disappointed in these gaming numbers and surprised that the 7700K might still be overall the best gaming cpu? Isn't that what we always expected , but for me personally I would go for example for a 1700 over a 7700K because of my slow upgrade cycles of my cpu. If you tend to upgrade your cpu a lot quicker and are a extreme gamer , just get a 7700K no need to get upset ?
Talking about goalpost moving, i should probably compile list of reactions to Ryzen memory latency.
From straight denial: "It had to be a Passmark bug, their numbers make no sense anyways" to "It will be better with newer sample, i promise!" to "But memory sticks and mobo were bad!" to "Why does it matter, anyways?".
And now that we have had a screen from AIDA showing Zen having twice the latency of Skylake, we have someone claiming that It is nice trade-off for a whole entire 2 gigs per second of bandwidth!
If you ask me, i am now curious as to what Fritz does depend on, because it looks to be abnormally slow on Ryzen. And what is up with AIDA64's cache latency report.
I am glad he did that, at least we now know how it performs in not GPU bottlenecked scenarios.
Also, i am also glad he did validate 1700X TDP, even if it was done badly. My ITX hopefuls are safe now.
Ram is curious story tho.
How the mGPU support stuff should be read: only x370 supports x8/x8 PCI-E 3.0 split on GPUs.
The test did not utilize boost/turbo, it was stuck at base clock 3.4ghz for Ryzen
About the 2133 ram
"Unfortunately, because of problems of motherboard BIOS when doing these tests enable XMP memory configuration, and even there was no manual for it and with the same frequency of 2133 MHz standard tests were done to poor performance. DDR4 memory Kit performance however our used with this processor very closely and even somewhat better than the performance in the same frequency with the Core i7 processor is 6700K and 7700K, hence the charge of each finger to the motherboard.
Because of our use case being applied preterm motherboard manual not boot memory frequency higher 2133 causes the system."
Seems that you lack reading comprehension. You missed my '?' As I was asking a question not making a statement.What are you even talking about?
How is anything that's been shown so far disappointing, including leaked benchmarks?
Ryzen games as well as Broadwell-E, sometimes like Skylake. Has roughly the same single threaded performance as Broadwell-E, equals or destroys it in multi threaded performance, and if the power numbers going around are true, does so while consuming LESS... better performance/watt. Isn't that the metric that's all the rage these days?
The icing on the cake? Platform overall costs less, and the processors themselves cost less, a LOT less for what they offer.
How is any of that disappointing? People were expecting Sandy Bridge IPC/ST performance and Ivy Bridge MT performance when Zen was revealed, it's leapfrogged those two designs by far, and it's left Haswell behind. It's exceeded expectations BY FAR.
Are the goalposts shifting again? Why does the bar keep arbitrarily rising every time it's shown Zen can do better than it was originally expected?
I don't get these people who keep pushing this "ryzen is disappointing crap" narrative.
More like 24, no?Guys, wait for reviews. Its few hours from now...
Seems that you lack reading comprehension. You missed my '?' As I was making a question not making a statement.
Guys, wait for reviews. Its few hours from now...
I don't.
You wouldn't ask that question with the data that's going around.
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Yeah, they're using a qualification sample that's well known by now. Their Ryzen CPU doesn't have the Ryzen logo on it...
So those numbers are at fixed 3.4GHz AND crippled by 2133MHz RAM, on a flaky motherboard without final BIOS for review?
LOL
I'm annoyed at that Iranian leaked review honestly. Paired it only with 2133mhz RAM and used resolutions like 1366x768? 1600x900? If you've got that much money to drop on a mobo and that cpu surely you have a 1080p monitor at least. Tetsing ita t that resolution is arbitrary at best.
The memory latency thing though seems to be high like every leak says. What is up.
Fritz nerds already consider it one, just lurk the Chinese forums.Wonder who is going t latch on to this and claim Ryzen a failure...
No , they had G.skill DDR4 3200 Cl14 but running at 2133Mhz due to Bios.just look at this :
It is just hard to keep track of all the leaks. This thread is moving fast also.I don't.
You wouldn't ask that question with the data that's going around
It is just hard to keep track of all the leaks. This thread is moving fast also.
There is one or two prominent members who have gone houdini lately ....Wonder who is going t latch on to this and claim Ryzen a failure...
You know, those Fritz results actually keep me worried because frankly, they suck. And i have no clue what Fritz depends on the most to explain it.Ryzen is fine.