Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[sirmo]

Man it looks like AMD has been sandbagging the true Ryzen performance all along.. can't say I am MAD

 

[bjt2]

Just stating that you are under NDA breaks the NDA . You can't publish / say a thing that isn't made publicly available by AMD. So therefore just stating that you are running a Ryzen CPU is in violation.

I have seen tons of unboxing videos on youtube... There should not be problems...

 

[looncraz]

According to AMD papers, the clocks stretch of 7% is performed, core per core, on the CPU clock.
Probabily CPUz has no mean to measure bus clock and infer it from CPU clock (that can actually measure or read in MSRs) and multiplier (also MSRs), so when the CPU clock is stretched, the multiplier is not varied (the stretch is done in other ways) and CPUz calculates a wrong varying bus clock...

EDIT: the clock stretch is a vdroop protection. The saving in power is due to the reduction of the voltage margin to cope with vdroop.

Load line calibration, FTW!

 

[looncraz]

<-- Currently under various NDA's

I'll not be under any as soon as 2052. That's just around the corner.

EDIT: Worst part is that it isn't even anything juicy. :-(

 

[Sven_eng]

The point of the NDA/embargo at this stage is to keep a level field for all of the press.

 

[HBRents]

<-- Currently under various NDA's

Didn't you say that's in violation? And surely you recognize that AMD's counsel had to draft an NDA for every single country in which tech journalists are registered in.. some countries have different laws and its easy to imagine that in some countries you are allowed to mention you are under NDA.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

I'll not be under any as soon as 2052. That's just around the corner.

EDIT: Worst part is that it isn't even anything juicy. :-(

Timezone?
It's past 20:52 where I am.

 

[sirmo]

The point of the NDA/embargo at this stage is to keep a level field for all of the press.

That's exactly the main reason for the embargo/NDA. To give everyone in the press enough time to do an in-depth review. Otherwise you would have reviewers rushing over one another to get the scoop with half researched information.

 

[looncraz]

Didn't you say that's in violation? And surely you recognize that AMD's counsel had to draft an NDA for every single country in which tech journalists are registered in.. some countries have different laws and its easy to imagine that in some countries you are allowed to mention you are under NDA.

The embargo is not legally binding, there's no contract at all. However, if you violate an embargo you will become untrusted by companies and will be punished by not receiving advanced or complementary parts for review.

For that particular video, the only thing they said that might approach a questionable area is that they were pleased with the overclock. But that is so imprecise that I doubt AMD would care.

 

[bjt2]

Load line calibration, FTW!

This is another story... It was incorporated in BTC (Boot time calibration): at boot the DC offset and the load line calibration (with a simulated CPU load) is performed...

Vdroop protection adds on top of this and was the first thing introduced in Carrizo...

 

[Ryzenenthusiast]

Here is the Alexa link for the website of the Turkish leak I mentioned before;
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/donanimhaber.com

• 34th most popular website in Turkey
• 1680th most popular website in the world

 

[Doom2pro]

Yea be careful people because some High-End AM4 motherboards only support CPU only RYZEN.

Yeah I think the ASUS Crosshair has no DVI/HDMI ports because it's a higher end board and they saved PCB complexity by skipping it.

However an APU should still work with a discrete PCI-E card.

 

[Phynaz]

Didn't you say that's in violation? And surely you recognize that AMD's counsel had to draft an NDA for every single country in which tech journalists are registered in.. some countries have different laws and its easy to imagine that in some countries you are allowed to mention you are under NDA.

Did I say which companies I have NDAs with (although it would be pretty easy to figure out)? And no, NDAs are boilerplate, they certainly don't keep 130 NDA forms updated for every place they do business.

BTW, NDAs fall under contract law as they are an agreement between two entities, and since AMD is US based their NDAs are all executed and enforced under US contract law. There's no such thing as being in a different country meaning you can disclose information that is subject to NDA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

This is why you don't trust leaks, If the source of the leaks is so untrustworthy that they would break a contract, why is the world would anything they post on the Internet be considered trustworthy?

 

[looncraz]

Okay, so my friend who has an ES Ryzen just called. He's under a genuine NDA and hasn't said pretty much anything about the chip other than slipping and letting me know he had one and the fact he was running DDR4-3200 CL16 memory (never told me what frequency he was actually using it at, though, but I have the same kit now ). I'm going to try and quote him exactly:

"Hey Joe, I know Ryzen is on the market now, so I guess I can tell you a few little things you have been asking me about. First, I would not worry about overclocking. I had no problems at all. I just set the multiplier and it booted right up, I couldn't believe it. [short pause] It hit 3Ghz like nothing. HAHA! I just thought you would like to know, I gotta run."

Yeah, he's a prick.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Man, if I was under NDA I would tell my friends everything.

 

[ElFenix]

The embargo is not legally binding, there's no contract at all. However, if you violate an embargo you will become untrusted by companies and will be punished by not receiving advanced or complementary parts for review.

For that particular video, the only thing they said that might approach a questionable area is that they were pleased with the overclock. But that is so imprecise that I doubt AMD would care.

what?

it's easy to make this legally binding: i'm giving you an object for your inspection a week before you can buy it in exchange for your promise to not say a peep about it until 7 am GMT on the 28th of february. how's that not binding? in the US and probably other places you could even agree that you breaking your promise not to say a peep is a damage which is difficult to make quantitative and so you agree to a liquidated damages clause.

Didn't you say that's in violation? And surely you recognize that AMD's counsel had to draft an NDA for every single country in which tech journalists are registered in.. some countries have different laws and its easy to imagine that in some countries you are allowed to mention you are under NDA.

probably not, darn near every jurisdiction allows the parties to a contract to determine which jurisdiction's laws apply. so amd would just have to write in a jurisdiction and venue provision such as "the parties to this contract agree that the northern district of california - san francisco has exclusive jurisdiction and venue for disputes under this contract, and the parties agree that the laws of the state of california apply to this contract, without regard to its choice of law provisions."

 

[looncraz]

Man, if I was under NDA I would tell my friends everything.

I think he still harbors some secret resentment over me sleeping with his sister while we were in middle school.

 

[looncraz]

what?

it's easy to make this legally binding: i'm giving you an object for your inspection a week before you can buy it in exchange for your promise to not say a peep about it until 7 am GMT on the 28th of february. how's that not binding? in the US and probably other places you could even agree that you breaking your promise not to say a peep is a damage which is difficult to make quantitative and so you agree to a liquidated damages clause.

The embargo itself is not legally binding. The individual agreements usually are, but they don't constitute an NDA with prescribed
terms.

 

[ElFenix]

The embargo itself is not legally binding. The individual agreements usually are, but they don't constitute an NDA with prescribed
terms.

you're trying to make a distinction without a difference here. embargo is just a shorthand for the NDAs that everyone has signed in exchange for access.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

I doubt they would even bother to try to sue you, as proving damages would be near impossible.

 

[Phynaz]

Man, if I was under NDA I would tell my friends everything.

Which is why you will never have to worry about it.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Which is why you will never have to worry about it.

Really? Where do you think the leaks come from?

 

[sirmo]

Leaking pre embargo is kind of a "d" move if you know what I mean. Because think about it. You go to all these tech conferences together, with all these guys, you cover all the same stories, you build a friendship with everyone, and then that one guy leaks info and you lose the scoop. I mean as much as I am hungry to hear all the juicy details about Ryzen.. I totally understand why it's really not ok to leak this stuff.

 

[IEC]

Leaking pre embargo is kind of a "d" move if you know what I mean. Because think about it. You go to all these tech conferences together, with all these guys, you cover all the same stories, you build a friendship with everyone, and then that one guy leaks info and you lose the scoop. I mean as much as I am hungry to hear all the juicy details about Ryzen.. I totally understand why it's really not ok to leak this stuff.

That person would be blacklisted if they revealed too much early, which is why such agreements (legally binding technicalities aside) are effective. Losing access to pre-release review samples and/or free hardware kind of kills your credibility for future releases... and it wouldn't be just that one manufacturer's hardware either - all of them would likely terminate relationships.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Man, if I was under NDA I would tell my friends everything.

Not cool.