Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[Crumpet]

As was noticed yesterday..
AMD stock falls after gaming performance of new processors disappoints

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/shar...cpu-disappoints-with-gaming-performance-.html

Shame these processors are selling out everywhere..

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, "Fake news" I guess stock price didn't really fall..

Of course it fell. That isn't disputable. It's had days like this over the last year. It's also had weeks where it skyrockets. NVDA also falls regularly. AMD climbs, then short percentage skyrockets. A lot of this falling is either due to shortsells panicking on previous day climbs, or reactionary responses to poorly-understood news--which is basically what happened yesterday.

Anyone that has been paying attention knows that AMD has been targeting the server sector and big data with Zen. Multithreading, low power. Everything released yesterday shows what a real monster Zen is and that Intel has absolutely nothing to counter it over the next 4 years (price/performance) in the primary market that really matters: big data.

Intel knows this. Skylake-X will not be an answer for what AMD is about to do in grabbing buckets of marketshare away from Intel. Don't be a fool--this is a buying opportunity off the backs of morons. LoL--shockingly, AMD is incredibly competitive with Intel's best in gaming scenarios that were never AMD's target...yet not matching Intel's best in gaming only is somehow a disaster for AMD, even though they are crushing Intel in multithreading and cost?

Come on--are you actually a tech enthusiast here or just a reactionary? How many times can we count the disastrous Intel releases on brand new uarch?

 

[PPB]

Still can't get over the perf/watt of this thing.. 8 SMT cores Sustaining 3.2ghz @ 70w package power in Pov ray (with the performance to match its clockspeed) is something I don't think anyone, even Intel could have predicted. and this is from a "runt" 1700 , on day one.

Scaling this down to the mobile world, where Raven Ridge will sit, and combine it with Polaris graphics.. Cannon lake better be good!

Is this a 1700? So 3.2 is maximum all core turbo?

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[LTC8K6]

Shame these processors are selling out everywhere..

Can we tell whether they are selling out in large amounts or selling out from short supplies?

 

[french toast]

Is this a 1700? So 3.2 is maximum all core turbo?

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Seems so, not bad for 65-70w ay?

 

[USER8000]

is it amd's fault that the games arent using smt since its NEW? i keep saying this all day long its a 100% software problem that wont get fixed anytime soon if the devs dont actually do something about it..

 

[zinfamous]

Can we tell whether they are selling out in large amounts or selling out from short supplies?

I don't think numbers like that will be known until mid-late April after Q1 numbers are released, and maybe not until after Q2. It's so late in the quarter that the bulk of sales probably won't be accountable until Q2.

 

[Burpo]

Come on--are you actually a tech enthusiast here or just a reactionary?

I have been watching AMD stock intently for over a year now and was kicking myself in the ass for not buying 500 shares when it was at $10. With in minutes of review releases it started downward. I made note of it then, and was told "all stocks are down".

It doesn't dissuade me from buying the 1600X when available, I was just pointing out that news agencies are reporting the decline.

 

[busydude]

I've been watching from the side lines from a really long time as it is time for me to build a new desktop. I am extremely excited with what AMD has done. The jump from excavator to Ryzen is simply amazing. I can also see how gamers can be disappointed with these 8 core SKUs, but I am looking forward to getting my hands on Ryzen 1600x.

 

[USER8000]

is it amd's fault that the games arent using smt since its NEW? i keep saying this all day long its a 100% software problem that wont get fixed anytime soon if the devs dont actually do something about it..

Yes it is - they should have been sending out samples before launch to at least get some game engines and games patched.

Now its a work in progress and sadly Intel has far less issues with SMT with Kaby Lake. Most people want something that works - you can see by my posting history I am certainly not anti-AMD but at the same time the lack of SMT optimisation hinders the 4 core and 6 core models. It means the R5 quad core models won't have any advantage in games against a 4C Kaby Lake CPU,and if Intel drops Core i7 7700K pricing it will be 4C/8T against 6C/6T since SMT won't help the R5 1600X in gaming.

That is a realistic view of things,and many who just game and don't post on forums will still get an Intel CPU instead of Ryzen as they are not interested in features which "maybe working" at some point in the future and this also sadly affects the perception of their graphics card sales. So many gamers I know just buy Intel and Nvidia since they consider AMD more hassle and for "tweakers".

 

[busydude]

if Intel drops Core i7 7700K pricing it will be 4C/8T against 6C/6T since SMT won't help the R5 1600X in gaming.

A win for consumers either way.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Yes it is - they should have been sending out samples before launch to at least get some game engines and games patched.

Now its a work in progress and sadly Intel has far less issues with SMT with Kaby Lake. Most people want something that works - you can see by my posting history I am certainly not anti-AMD but at the same time the lack of SMT optimisation hinders the 4 core and 6 core models. It means the R5 quad core models won't have any advantage in games against a 4C Kaby Lake CPU,and if Intel drops Core i7 7700K pricing it will be 4C/8T against 6C/6T since SMT won't help the R5 1600X in gaming.

That is a realistic view of things,and many who just game and don't post on forums will still get an Intel CPU instead of Ryzen as they are not interested in features which "maybe working" at some point in the future and this also sadly affects the perception of their graphics card sales. So many gamers I know just buy Intel and Nvidia since they consider AMD more hassle and for "tweakers".

Loon told me that once it is fixed it will only be about a 2-5% difference, which is the same as intel.

Hopefully it is fixed, or at least mostly so, by the time the R3s come out.

 

[zinfamous]

I have been watching AMD stock intently for over a year now and was kicking myself in the ass for not buying 500 shares when it was at $10. With in minutes of review releases it started downward. I made note of it then, and was told "all stocks are down".

It doesn't dissuade me from buying the 1600X when available, I was just pointing out that news agencies are reporting the decline.

yeah, the "financial advice" blurbs that publish on any tidbit are as schizo about AMD shares as they are about every other share in the market. It's to the point where you can't really read much into it, because every little blogger or writer is putting any kind of spin on any kind of swing that, in the end, isn't very reflective of reality.

I bought some shares at 4.75, had been watching since 3.90 or so, and have long been kicking myself for not buying at around 2. or 2.30.

I still think AMD settles at around $15. People like us generally understand that this is a solid chip with the same issues on release as any other chip, but to general analysts and even those that claim to know something about this, they look at these early reviews as the only reviews and only data that will ever matter, completely ignore the fact that the various data points across review sites are vastly disparate in one strange category (gaming), argue that this is what matters, ignore what Zen is supposed to be: a server part, and write nothing but doom and gloom. ...I wonder what influences this, eh?

But there's the rub: these morons do have influence. Investors will just turn on that and forget what's actually happening, but the reality is that AMD is still a great long play. This uninformed panic dip probably makes for a very good opportunity. Naples will be out and in the data centers by Q3, VEGA will have been released (I still don't think VEGA is going to be that significant for AMD shares, but it will help to stop any bleeding for sure), and that is the target.

 

[busydude]

yeah, the "financial advice" blurbs that publish on any tidbit are as schizo about AMD shares as they are about every other share in the market. It's to the point where you can't really read much into it, because every little blogger or writer is putting any kind of spin on any kind of swing that, in the end, isn't very reflective of reality.

I bought some shares at 4.75, had been watching since 3.90 or so, and have long been kicking myself for not buying at around 2. or 2.30.

I still think AMD settles at around $15. People like us generally understand that this is a solid chip with the same issues on release as any other chip, but to general analysts and even those that claim to know something about this, they look at these early reviews as the only reviews and only data that will ever matter, completely ignore the fact that the various data points across review sites are vastly disparate in one strange category (gaming), argue that this is what matters, ignore what Zen is supposed to be: a server part, and write nothing but doom and gloom. ...I wonder what influences this, eh?

But there's the rub: these morons do have influence. Investors will just turn on that and forget what's actually happening, but the reality is that AMD is still a great long play. This uninformed panic dip probably makes for a very good opportunity. Naples will be out and in the data centers by Q3, VEGA will have been released (I still don't think VEGA is going to be that significant for AMD shares, but it will help to stop any bleeding for sure), and that is the target.

I think AMD is a great long term prospect. Going by the initial benchmarks, their Naples chip is going to be competitive in the server space. Right now AMD's market share in server/data center space is minimal and even if Naples has a minority share... it is going to be a massive revenue increase to AMD.

 

[lefty2]

I know the taichi motherboard I bought says it only supports windows 10. But it should still work in windows 7. You might have to force drivers or something, and that would suck.

Just do a free a upgrade to 10. You will have to do it eventually anyways.

So then, nobody has actually tried Window 7?

 

[richierich1212]

So then, nobody has actually tried Window 7?

Nope, reviewers can barely handle testing 3 games at a time how can you expect them to test an older OS? And even then motherboards are in short supply right now so consumers have to wait until today, this weekend or even next week to get theirs.

 

[Conroe]

AMD asked reviewers to benchmark games GPU limited to show Zen in the best light. A few sites did. It's great CPU but it's ST performance is it's achilles heel and nothing is going to fix that.

 

[tential]

Speak for yourself. I only need it for gaming. I don't edit videos or photos, do any 3D rendering, do any number-crunching tasks, complex modelling, running virtual machines, spend all day opening compressed files, or anything really other than pure gaming.

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Then follow my advice. Don't bother following this processor is an I5/i7 can fit your needs.

 

[tential]

Yes, I have a i7-6700K, so I might not need to upgrade for a while.

I was just disputing the argument that no one could possibly build a powerful PC primarily for gaming.

I think Ryzen is a great start. Just because it loses out in gaming doesn't mean it's DOA, far from it. BIOS updates and Windows patches will help improve gaming performance. And AMD crushes Intel on workstation stuff. Anything above a i7-7700K in Intel's lineup is pretty much dead and buried now.

In fact, I think this is perfect. There is a nice balance being struck between AMD and Intel; pros and cons on both sides. Equally balanced; that's best for the market, where the effects of competition are best exemplified.

For now;

Intel: pure gaming
AMD: everything else (including if someone needs gaming along with the other things)

Now it will be interesting to see what AMD can do with Vega, as unlike Intel, NVIDIA has not been laying dormant.

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This is exactly how I'm using it. Ryzen will be in my server, and anything non gaming related my gaming machine will be the hedt platform from Intel though. If I upgrade it's to a hexacore for gaming from Intel. That's the only sensible upgrade for an i7 gaming machine.

 

[tential]

As was noticed yesterday..
AMD stock falls after gaming performance of new processors disappoints

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/shar...cpu-disappoints-with-gaming-performance-.html

It will recover. Stop looking at these types of events.
The consumer investors over react and the intelligent ones exploit them.

This is the same thing with people freaking out over the Nvidia stock drop. Investors do some idiotic things like selling out of BP after the oil spill.

All this shows is that you have an opportunity to exploit some idiotic investors.
In general, investors over react, then it corrects.

So ya, exploit some people if you want. The price will recover and already has been since I started watching this morning looking for a buying opportunity once I saw the gaming benches and I know how dumb investors are.

 

[piesquared]

AMD asked reviewers to benchmark games GPU limited to show Zen in the best light. A few sites did. It's great CPU but it's ST performance is it's achilles heel and nothing is going to fix that.

AMD asked reviewers to include GPU limited situations in order to provide the full scope of situations, since they believe there are people out there that do in fact play at 4K resolutions. I don't think there is any doubt about that so stop misrepresenting the facts (or lying whichever the case may be).
It's single thread performance is fantastic. Given Ryzen's excellent mulitcore performance and efficiency it puts intel in a very tough position actually. Have you seen these?

We normally present the multi-threaded figures for Sysbench but instead we wanted to provide single-threaded results since much of the Ryzen push is multi-threaded. We know there are folks running, for example, rails applications where single thread performance is tantamount. The Ryzen 7 1700X chip decimated the field. We even went back to the Intel Xeon L5520 from Q1, 2009 that powered many Facebook’s servers of that era just to show how far AMD is moving the needle. The bottom line here is simple: Zen is not just a multi-threaded story, it is IPC competitive in several workloads.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

It doesn't need to beat everything on the market in single threaded benchmarks. The core is a winner.

 

[beginner99]

Still can't get over the perf/watt of this thing.. 8 SMT cores Sustaining 3.2ghz @ 70w package power in Pov ray (with the performance to match its clockspeed) is something I don't think anyone, even Intel could have predicted. and this is from a "runt" 1700 , on day one.

Scaling this down to the mobile world, where Raven Ridge will sit, and combine it with Polaris graphics.. Cannon lake better be good!

That's the funny thing. AMD beating intel in performance/watt. I agree. that the process an uArch seem to be very good for mobile and server but less for HEDT and not ideal for gaming due to low clocks or better said voltage/clock curve.

 

[beginner99]

Just do a free a upgrade to 10. You will have to do it eventually anyways.

It's not free if you have an OEM win 7 license and get a new board.

 

[Ketchup]

So the AMD CPU is much better, but still, in some respects, the same - great in multithreaded situations, barely adequate in single-threaded siluations, and bolow average (expectations) in gaming. I am glad I didn't hold my breath from my post several pages back, lol.

I hope optimizations can improve on what they have, but comments like this ""The overwhelming majority [of reviews] are highly positive on Ryzen and its performance," from John Taylor, which is very similar to what AMD was posting yesterday, don't keep me incredibly optimistic.

 

[LTC8K6]

AMD asked reviewers to include GPU limited situations in order to provide the full scope of situations, since they believe there are people out there that do in fact play at 4K resolutions. I don't think there is any doubt about that so stop misrepresenting the facts (or lying whichever the case may be).
It's single thread performance is fantastic. Given Ryzen's excellent mulitcore performance and efficiency it puts intel in a very tough position actually. Have you seen these?

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

It doesn't need to beat everything on the market in single threaded benchmarks. The core is a winner.

https://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/01/19/amd-accuses-sysbench-bias/1