Yep, these people care so much about benchmarks at 720p because they can't wait to game on console resolution. I bet they have 4 SLI Pascal Titans just to output another hundred or so 720p frames on their 720p, 60 hertz refresh monitor
I am using radeon fury xI have one review of ryzen paired with fury nano and Rx 480 benchmarking on Linux.
I believe the inner line is minimums, and the outer line is avg.Are those minimums ?
Nice, apparentWell there's this ~ http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu-review/
I guess I will write more later upon finding time...
Pure performance wise, AMD has done an amazing job in every respect. No one can sniff at that. It is AMDs Conroe, albeit only vs AMD themselves.
For anything Media/DAC/Encryption related, Ryzen is a sure bet. MT performance in a lot of applications is absolutely awesome. You have got to admit. It gives BDe a very good challenge at a fraction of the cost.
The cache, coherence and mem latencies are very poor. Along with SMT and driver problems, they will produce sucky results in many mem sensitive and nonoptimized benchmarks. Games, for certain. Going forward this should improve somewhat but don't hold your breath on it. AMD should've known all of this.
Debunk That Hype
AMD has a strong internet fanbase. I consider myself a fan.
Then there are what we call AMD fanatics, far removed from reality. Like their counterparts from Intel, they don't understand science, data or reason. Their purpose is just to try and spin everything AMD to the best, craziest, light existable.
Posting support in hoardes, doesn't bolster the accuracy of your belief.
They were seriously delusional on many fronts for the past 4 months on here, creating this hugely wishful hype that has inturn made Ryzen look average upon release. They pushed unrealistic expectations in everyone's face, which has hurt AMDs image in the end.
Upon reviews, they post frenetically trying to make the same excuses to defend AMD, excuses we've heard since Phenom. This is a sorry state.
All of the unrealistic nonsense I kept seeing, reviews have debunked:
1. Blender/POVRay was AMDs best case. Selected marketing. All of Horizon was pure marketing.
2. Doing everything altogether in one uarch, it's obvious the platform has A LOT of teething issues, and clocks were problematic. No wonder the delays. The platform is a beta. End users and reviewers NEVER have to wait for all this to be sorted. It is judged how it is sold.
3. Low Power Plus is Low Power Plus! I heard so much irrational pseudoscience nonsense in the buildup here. Every one of it has been debunked by data now.
It is obvious power or process is absolutely no where close to Intel. That 1800X is choking being pumped +30W from the model below.
Clocks/volts/currents are ceiling, OC minimal, XFR a gimmick suited to mobile and power way above 90W, and above Intels 140W chips when properly tested.
No, sorry to all irrational pseudoscience. No magic 0.9v 4GHz at less than 80W because of a Neon FPU.
4. Piledriver vs Exc tests for IPC show 2% average difference now.
And Ryzen ST isn't 1-7% like the hype, but 10-20% behind Intel.
5. For the average guy, Ryzen is certainly not the gamers CPU. 4C, high IPC is still king. Intel has better buys, especially for futureproofing. Excuses don't mitigate that CPU load tests - which give a proper picture at all ranges - show it well behind.
And seriously. Argue all you like but...110fps vs 100fps is NO DIFFERENCE to a gamer! I played competitive FPS for years since Quake. Charts showing +100FPS are only good to ascertain the technical 'better' but not for actual playability.
6. BitsandChips fed all the wrong zealous hype trains. Seems apparent they just wanted to cash in. Their latest linking a 1% runtime variation in CB to 'Neural Net Prediction'is equally ludicrous. It's called margin of error, for Christ's sake.
7. HEDT doesn't care for price or power. It cares about absolute performance. Which is, still, ruled by Intel.
AMD has now given Intel a challenger for certain workloads, however.
8. TheStilt did an awesome job! Should be renamed TheKanterStilt.
Now that's actually a quality data point.
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It shows rather your level of intellect that you base on what you think about product on what people say about it.Nice, apparent
Yea, I agree, especially about the "strong internet fanbase" (an understatement akin to saying the ocean is wet). In fact I used to be a fan of AMD, but the hype, whining and complaining, grade school level smack talk, and general obnoxiousness of the AMD contingent on the internet, instead of making me want to buy an AMD product, as is obviously their objective, has quite the opposite effect, and makes me want to never buy any AMD product, no matter how good it is.
With Ryzen 4GHZ is not 4GHz. As to the scaling though of the clock, it is down to design but the process node as well and I have this on good info from someone who works at another fab. Thay process will not scale unless it is vastly changed, to the point where it isn't a LLP anymore. The tooling for this was taken from SAMSUNG's Low power process in the first place. Clocks will not magically increase until AMD goes to a completely different node/process or both.
Yea, I agree, especially about the "strong internet fanbase" (an understatement akin to saying the ocean is wet). In fact I used to be a fan of AMD, but the hype, whining and complaining, grade school level smack talk, and general obnoxiousness of the AMD contingent on the internet, instead of making me want to buy an AMD product, as is obviously their objective, has quite the opposite effect, and makes me want to never buy any AMD product, no matter how good it is.
Interesting. My physics score in firestrike is 2000 more then sweclockers review.
What's Their score?
ugh i forgot, they ran their test stock speed. nvm.What's Their score?
Yep, our #1 aim is to rigorously indoctrinate and brainwashed others until they are purify of all dissenting notions that Intel chips are superior. Welcome to our bizarre cult where conformity is absolute and discord is punishable by sticking the latest amd CPU up the offender's rear end.That exists for pretty much every company though, whether it's AMD, Apple, Ford, Nintendo, Google, Intel, NVidia, Samsung, Microsoft, or just about any other brand that's known around the world.
I can't really say that AMD fans are really any worse than other fans though. It's probably just better to avoid places where only fans of one group congregate though. They just turn into echo chambers and the intellectual incest just leads to even more rigid ways of thinking where even the casual fans get tossed out for not being ideologically pure enough.
If AMD fans are especially noisy now, it's probably because they haven't had anything to be really happy about on the CPU front for quite a while. I think the other end of it is that the Zen launch has been a bit sloppy with BIOS updates, Windows settings, memory issues, etc. not being fully sorted out so the results are all over the place so you've got people who wan to latch onto the best possible (or worst possible if they dislike AMD or just like to needle the AMD fans) cases and run with that or get into arguments with people who might not have seen those best cases.
It'll probably calm down in a few months, or maybe the impending Vega release will just feed the frenzy again.
Yep, our #1 aim is to rigorously indoctrinate and brainwashed others until they are purify of all dissenting notions that Intel chips are superior. Welcome to our bizarre cult where conformity is absolute and discord is punishable by sticking the latest amd CPU up the offender's rear end.
Chill dude, we aren't what you think we are...
Spot on. If I learned anything from this launch is that (barring some exceptions).. the reviewers know less about benchmarking CPUs than their average readers do. I guess this is the new era of youtube personality reviews.I actually understand why one would be interested to know the 720p benchmark. Despite it bring unrealistic its to see which CPU lower threshold. It is a valid form of measure. Its an important measure but only relevant if both CPUs have the same core count. but they are not. And the most troubling thing is that the conclusions that are being drawn is just plain rubbish.
1. we already know 1800X has a 5-10% lower IPC and a good 700 MHz clock difference, why in the world would are we surprised by those results is beyond me.
2. since they have different core count, the assumption that a lower threshold for a bottleneck on ryzen also extrapolates to 4Kwith future more powerful GPUs is just bonkers as with time games will get more threaded and that is advantageous for ryzen considering we already see 95% usage in BF1 on i7 7700 (i.e. its on bottleneck) while zen is at 40-50%. Future games will get more and more multithreaded, it's inevitable as long as consoles are powered by weak 8core CPUs
If this was a 4c8t Ryzen 3 going against 7700k, i would agree on the relevance of 720p, but now it's misleading potential buyers.
another thing, to fully and comprehensively analyze bottlenecks, reviewers need to publish GPU and CPU core by core usage along with memory usage. That's bottleneck 101. But NONE of the reviewers do it. Most of them are a bunch of n00bs doing the reviews and making false/incorrect conclusions. And do not get me started on the youtube reviewers. they (most of them) are a whole different class of nutters,
- Very nice summary, thanks . So consensus is that Ryzens achilles heel is 1. clocks and power and 2. memory and cache latencies.
Number one can grow over time but the second is worse I gueess, no amount of driver/firmware updates is gonna reduce those latencies, right? So for a better gaming SKU from AMD we will have to wait and see what Ryzen++ brings forth. Right?
Given the current OC headroom, or lack thereof, suggests that its pushed pretty close to the limit... Would there not be a point to getting a low leakage 65watt part, clock it 500MHz down and see how far you can undervolt it?
(also, linkage to the stilts work?)
Review shows 1700x ~ 7700k with gtx1080
1080p very high no aa
Could you explain this further for me please?