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Magic Hate Ball

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As long as we don't have confirmation both R5 and R7 were using same board & same BIOS, it's not strange at all.

In fact, judging by their previous 1700X review (image on the right) the results in their current review are identical to those collected 1 month ago.


I really don't like when reviews regurgitate old results like that. Software and firmware updates so far have already yielded significant increases since a month ago.

Laziness begets #FAKENEWS!
 

unseenmorbidity

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As long as we don't have confirmation both R5 and R7 were using same board & same BIOS, it's not strange at all.

In fact, judging by their previous 1700X review (image on the right) the results in their current review are identical to those collected 1 month ago.


So why would the 6700k lose performance in DOOM using vulkan vs OpenGL?
 
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Magic Hate Ball

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Can you guys make a short summary? What are the conclusion of these videos?

Reviewers are getting crappier by the minute. I don't have time to watch hours of review videos. They should just post text & graphs. Lazy....

Don't worry, just give me one business day to process the reviews.
 

Shmee

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I noticed today that we had the Ryzen 5 CPUs on our shelf for sale at the store today. Forgot to take a pic, but it looks like we may be selling them early :O
 
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inf64

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It's weird since the actual run time is 21 seconds in R15. In other video reviews on YT the same test takes around 25-26s on 4Ghz Ryzen 8C, so it seems it is not the sleep bug. He also states he rebooted and redone the tests with the same results. Strange results to say the least.
 
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imported_jjj

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6 games DX11 vs DX12, Nvidia vs AMD on Ryzen

In BF1 he tests at 1080p Medium and that's bound to yield different results than at 720p High.

BF1 1080p Medium w/ Nvidia
AVG FPS
DX11
7700k 157.1 AVG FPS
Ryzen 142.3 AVG FPS
DX12
7700k 134.7 down 14.3% vs DX11
Ryzen 124.8 down 12.3% vs DX11

1%
DX11
7700k 113.1 1% FPS
Ryzen 116.3 1% FPS
DX12
7700k 115.5 up 2.1%
Ryzen 106.5 down 8.3%

In Tomb Raider somehow he's the only person to get better FPS under DX12 with Nvidia and Ryzen..Must be the Medium settings.
Deus Ex suffers a bit at 720p with Nvidia and 8 cores but he's at Medium settings here again.
Someone really needs to test the impact game settings have.
Mixed bag of results and maybe it's the settings but hard to be sure.
 
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Dygaza

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I just can't understand why they are all benchmarking Ryzen against I7-7700k when they should benchmark it against I7-6900k. That's the only valid comparision if you really want to see how driver stack works in multithreaded surrounding when you actually have room for all those threads.
 

imported_jjj

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In this case the theory is that Nvidia when going from DX11 to DX12 gains with quads and has large loses with 8 cores so the quad must be there.
In general, folks should tests vs both quads and octa.
 

Topweasel

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I just can't understand why they are all benchmarking Ryzen against I7-7700k when they should benchmark it against I7-6900k. That's the only valid comparision if you really want to see how driver stack works in multithreaded surrounding when you actually have room for all those threads.
You are correct. Though I think a 7700 as control is important. Everything I have seen is really starting to imply that Nvidia drivers are capped to the 7700k configuration in DX12 and anything more is hurt because the extra cores don't help and they are generally clocked lower and with lower IPC than the 7700. This and the driver/cpu overhead are really driving down high core PCU benches with a DX12 on Nvidia cards.
 

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Looking to build a 1700 based system and want to overclock, but I have some questions. I'm hoping to be able to run all cores at around 3.8 GHz, and I don't need features like RGB LEDs, WiFi or SLI support. Will I be missing out on performance or reliability by going with a B350 based board? If not, any recommendations on what board to get?

Lastly, as I understand it Ryzen prefers higher RAM speeds. The sticks I would want to purchase support 3200 MHz speed at CL15, but as far as I can tell, most (at least the ones I have looked at QVL's for) AM4 boards will currently only run them at 2133 MHz. These are from Corsair. Is this likely to be patched eventually? Compatible RAM that will run at 3200 MHz CL14 (like the G.skill Flare) is almost twice as expensive in my region, so I'm not sure if I should spring for it, or hope for better support eventually. Some suggestions would be appreciated.
 

agouraki

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Looking to build a 1700 based system and want to overclock, but I have some questions. I'm hoping to be able to run all cores at around 3.8 GHz, and I don't need features like RGB LEDs, WiFi or SLI support. Will I be missing out on performance or reliability by going with a B350 based board? If not, any recommendations on what board to get?

Lastly, as I understand it Ryzen prefers higher RAM speeds. The sticks I would want to purchase support 3200 MHz speed at CL15, but as far as I can tell, most (at least the ones I have looked at QVL's for) AM4 boards will currently only run them at 2133 MHz. These are from Corsair. Is this likely to be patched eventually? Compatible RAM that will run at 3200 MHz CL14 (like the G.skill Flare) is almost twice as expensive in my region, so I'm not sure if I should spring for it, or hope for better support eventually. Some suggestions would be appreciated.

it took some bios updates but my msi b350 tomahawk now runs the 3200c16 corsair LPX just fine and it goes head to head with expensive x370 motherboards( no OC),although it was terrible with 1.0bios.
 
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Mopetar

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I just can't understand why they are all benchmarking Ryzen against I7-7700k when they should benchmark it against I7-6900k. That's the only valid comparision if you really want to see how driver stack works in multithreaded surrounding when you actually have room for all those threads.

Some of the smaller or independent guys probably have their own 7700k for personal use but can't afford or get access to a 6900k just for the sake of being able to benchmark a product that few people will actually buy. Also, from other reviews, we've seen that the Intel 6, 8, and 10 core CPUs typically don't do any better than the 7700k so it's good enough. Add in that the 1700X is close in price and you have a pretty good reason to compare them for that reason alone. A 1700 is even cheaper and probably some of the best value you can get if you want an 8 core rig and have no qualms about overclocking. Maybe the R5 chips change that value proposition, but if all you care about is the best possible gaming CPU without concerns related to streaming, etc. then you have to compare it to the 7700k anyhow as that's the previous/current performance king.
 

Zstream

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it took some bios updates but my msi b350 tomahawk now runs the 3200c16 corsair LPX just fine and it goes head to head with expensive x370 motherboards( no OC),although it was terrible with 1.0bios.

What bios? I'm on 1.2 and can't get above 2600
 

unseenmorbidity

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I just can't understand why they are all benchmarking Ryzen against I7-7700k when they should benchmark it against I7-6900k. That's the only valid comparision if you really want to see how driver stack works in multithreaded surrounding when you actually have room for all those threads.
Because of the price. No one outside of content creators or the very affluent should ever consider the 6900k.

I would prefer to see all 3 tested myself, but sadly, I don't think even the content creators could justify spending a $1000 on a 6900k though.

Looking to build a 1700 based system and want to overclock, but I have some questions. I'm hoping to be able to run all cores at around 3.8 GHz, and I don't need features like RGB LEDs, WiFi or SLI support. Will I be missing out on performance or reliability by going with a B350 based board? If not, any recommendations on what board to get?

Lastly, as I understand it Ryzen prefers higher RAM speeds. The sticks I would want to purchase support 3200 MHz speed at CL15, but as far as I can tell, most (at least the ones I have looked at QVL's for) AM4 boards will currently only run them at 2133 MHz. These are from Corsair. Is this likely to be patched eventually? Compatible RAM that will run at 3200 MHz CL14 (like the G.skill Flare) is almost twice as expensive in my region, so I'm not sure if I should spring for it, or hope for better support eventually. Some suggestions would be appreciated.

A b350 should be fine for a moderate OC. Don't go crazy and try to do 4.1 GHz though.

Don't buy that flare memory if, you need to save money. Compatibility will eventually get there with updates.
 
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agouraki

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What bios? I'm on 1.2 and can't get above 2600
lots of problems were solved with 1.32 beta bios (long POST,3200memory)it also probably had new Agesa too since i saw lower memory latency with higher timmings than before.,but it seems the beta bioses where taken down from forums supposedly to be reposted the following days this week.
 

Zstream

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lots of problems were solved with 1.32 beta bios (long POST,3200memory)it also probably had new Agesa too since i saw lower memory latency.,but it seems the beta bioses where taken down from forums supposedly to be reposted the following days this week.

Any chance you can share that? I've read the same thing and was about to download it and noticed it was pulled
 

guachi

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Because of the price. No one outside of content creators or the very affluent should ever consider the 6900k.

R7's actual competition is so expensive that it isn't even a competition. Think about that for a second.

Even the overpriced 1800X is a great deal versus the 6900 - 90+% of the performance for 50%.

We are reduced to comparing the third tier 1700 against the top tier 7700K because AMD unlocks everything and the price similarity ($330 vs. $370).

That's an amazing achievement. The fact that we actually have this argument means the six core R5 1600 at $220 will be an amazing deal. It won't be much worse in games (if at all) than the 1700 and will still likely best the 7700K in multi threaded tasks.
 

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I picked up a 32GB (4x8GB) kit of DDR4-3200 CL14 (i.e. Samsung B-die) off of Newegg for $265 yesterday. I think it's supposed to come on Saturday so I may end up being able to do a memory compatibility/overclocking test on four motherboards with whatever the latest beta BIOS is for that particular board.

CPUs:
Ryzen 7 1800X
Ryzen 7 1700

Motherboards:
MSI B350M Gaming Pro
Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3
Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K7
Asrock X370 Taichi

RAM:
G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB DDR4-2400 CL15 (dual rank)
G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB DDR4-2400 CL15 (single rank) <-- this was as low as $50 at one point, I paid $55
G.Skill TridentZ 2x8GB DDR4-3400 CL16 (dual rank)
G.Skill FlareX 2x8GB DDR4-3200 CL14 (single rank, Samsung B-die) <-- best perf, worst perf/$
G.Skill Ripjaws V 4x8GB DDR4-3200 CL14 (single rank, Samsung B-die) <-- theoretically same ICs as FlareX

Any particular combinations people are interested in seeing? I've thought about mixing and matching FlareX and Ripjaws V just to see if that combo works, as theoretically both use the same ICs...
 

zinfamous

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I find it amusing that where we were, 5-7 months ago, thoughts of comparing (what would become known as) Zen 7 and even 5 to 6700K (in games and relevant tasks) were considered not only to be a potential staggering achievement for AMD, but outright poppycock and wizardry.

And here we are...everyone is watching this thing battle with the 7700K and, for some reason, finding fault with these chips when they don't outright beat that in every test. Whatever happened to the 6700k? Not to mention the 8/16 thread intel beasts and their now complete obsolescence.

Amazing.

 
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