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Despoiler

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Has anyone checked if AMD released Ryzen Master 1.01? I forgot to check before I left for work. It was supposed to drop today with the R5 series launch.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Hi coercitiv from the past, it's you from the present. Folks at Hardware Unboxed were kind enough to test RAM speeds in gaming for both 1800X and 7700K and found that as far as memory frequency is concerned "Ryzen scales fairly typical compared to Kaby Lake 7700K".
That kid is clueless. I guess I can give him props for the data, but he clearly doesn't understand what the data he generated actually means.

Of course they both show gains when you are using 1080ti for 1080p. The 7700k is completely maxed out, and a huge bottleneck in some games. Mindblank tested the 5ghz 7700k paired with the 1080ti, and showed the gpu usage across a suite of games. It was as low as 70% in some games, because the cpu and game engine couldn't keep up.

If you do a test under normal conditions, gpu limited, then the 7700k will get almost nothing from the faster memory.


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Nvidia strikes again! lol, but seriously, this is bad! Most people seem to only be testing nvidia too... Props for anandtech for putting in the work to do a proper review.




http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four
 
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coercitiv

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That kid is clueless.
If you do a test under normal conditions, gpu limited, then the 7700k will get almost nothing from the faster memory.
That "kid" is anything but clueless, and your argument is non-sensical: testing memory scaling in games using a GPU limited scenario is exactly the way it shouldn't be done.

PS: you may also want to actually watch the video and observe how some of the games do end up being GPU limited, as they show little or no gains for 4.8Ghz 7700K vs. 4Ghz 7700K.
 
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unseenmorbidity

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That "kid" is anything but clueless, and your argument is non-sensical: testing memory scaling in games using a GPU limited scenario is exactly the way it shouldn't be done.

PS: you may also want to actually watch the video and observe how some of the games do end up being GPU limited, as they show little or no gains for 4.8Ghz 7700K vs. 4Ghz 7700K.

Sorry, but you are idolizing a youtube personality. He is as much an expert of tech, as Dr Gregory House is a real MD.

Except, if you use extreme cpu limited scenarios, then the cpu's you are testing don't even matter. The only accurate conclusion you arrive at is that faster ram improves performance in cpu limited scenarios.

Which is kind of like saying the sky is blue... It's pointless!

The point is that Ryzen almost always sees gains, which is the opposite case for the 7700k under real world scenarios.
 

tamz_msc

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To say that it's an embarrassment for NVIDIA if the Rocket League results are reflected in other DX9 titles is an understatement.
 

Udgnim

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Mostly as expected, the R5 crushes the i5 in multithreaded applications and trades blows in games.

Some interesting benchmarks in the review like r480 vs gf1060 in 1080p Rocket League on Ryzen.

interesting as in wtf are Nvidia's drivers doing

AMD Kaveri has a higher FPS with a RX480 over any CPU paired with a GTX 1060 in Rocket League
 

Face2Face

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Hardware Unboxed is really Steve Walton from TechSpot. He's far from a tech noob and he's written quality articles for years on TechSpot. I understand that most tech YouTubers are far from tech experts, but Steve from HWU and Steve from Gamers Nexus are very knowledgeable. Can't forget Wendell from Level1 Techs as well.

Anyway, the R5 1600 at $219 looks freaking amazing. I need one for my server -- now.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Hardware Unboxed is really Steve Walton from TechSpot. He's far from a tech noob and he's written quality articles for years on TechSpot. I understand that most tech YouTubers are far from tech experts, but Steve from HWU and Steve from Gamers Nexus are very knowledgeable. Can't forget Wendell from Level1 Techs as well.

Anyway, the R5 1600 at $219 looks freaking amazing. I need one for my server -- now.
Then we just moved the goal post from incompetent to biased. Either way, his conclusion was total bollocks.

Edit: Actually now that I think about it, writing general articles has nothing to do with possessing actual knowledge of the subject. You can do a tad of research and easily fake the rest. The whole gamergate fiasco was largely created by the fact the "journalist" that didn't play the games they supposedly reviewed. Anyone with the money, connections, and hardware could run benchmarks.
 
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coercitiv

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Except, if you use extreme cpu limited scenarios, then the cpu's you are testing don't even matter. The only accurate conclusion you arrive at is that faster ram improves performance in cpu limited scenarios.
You have some serious reading up to do if you think memory scaling can be investigated in GPU bound tests.
 
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unseenmorbidity

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You have some serious reading up to do if you think memory scaling can be investigated in GPU bound tests.
You need to read up on Ryzen.... This is the scenario that is relevant, because this is the scenario encompasses the vast vast majority of users. This is also the scenario in which Ryzen sees performance performance gains, unlike the 7700k.

His test is improperly conducted, if he wanted to disprove this fact.

He is seemingly desperate to prove Ryzen is bad at gaming, but he keeps failing to do so. Adoredtv put out some good videos that basically rebutted his nonsense. They got pretty mad when they got called out too.
 
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Crumpet

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For midrange system builders looks like the Ryzen R5 1600 and 1600x are true champions. (r5 1500's.. are not good. But we kind of expected that for the price point and clock speeds)

The 1600's destroy the i5's in effectively anything non-gaming, and compete, or handily beat the i5 7600 in everything that's not Fallout 4.

The caveat.. Nvidia's dx12 driver support for Ryzen is SHOCKING.
 

Topweasel

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Nvidia's dx12 driver support for Ryzen is SHOCKING.

It's basically to the point that I just can't for the life of me even acknowledge a review that doesn't at least try to include a Radeon. I was going to wait for Vega and then decide which between the 1080 and Vega to be my system video card for the next couple years. But if Vega comes in overpriced and slow I'll just get a 570 or 580 to carry me over till the next big Radeon release. I am just not going to participate in this madness of if and when Nvidia might get around to it.
 
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moonbogg

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I think the 6/12 parts are a great value. I am also wondering if Nvidia was ignorant to the fact that their drivers were crippling the hell out of Ryzen chips. My opinion is that they knew about it and could have easily fixed it but decided it wasn't their responsibility to do so and if their rival gets injured as a result of Ryzen's resulting image problems regarding gaming performance, then they figured "oh well"?
This is a fantastic and very sleazy way for Nvidia to dissuade people from buying Ryzen. They know they have the only viable GPU's for gaming these days and if you want an NVidia GPU, you are likely to reconsider a Ryzen purchase, and any money AMD doesn't get for Ryzen sales also hurts their GPU division.
 

alexruiz

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I quickly glanced through some numbers, and the reviews results still are all over the place.
Techpowerup has the Ryzen 5 ahead on Deus exm egven with a gtx 1080.
The other have it trailing.
Techpowerup used an Asrock AB350 fatal1ty K4 as opposed to the gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 used by most everybody else...
 

lolfail9001

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To say that it's an embarrassment for NVIDIA if the Rocket League results are reflected in other DX9 titles is an understatement.
Yeah, that is one hell of a surprise. I wonder if anyone will corroborate it. But who am i kidding, a certain Scot will jump on it in 2 hours time, and then after a small holy war we will see a bunch of youtubers jump on it too. Maybe they will even consider other dx9 titles, as few as they are.
The caveat.. Nvidia's dx12 driver support for Ryzen is SHOCKING.
Is it? It's not like AMD sent Nvidia a Ryzen reviewer kit with words: "Hey folks, mind optimizing your driver for our CPU?".
I was going to wait for Vega and then decide which between the 1080 and Vega to be my system video card for the next couple years. But if Vega comes in overpriced and slow I'll just get a 570 or 580 to carry me over till the next big Radeon release.
For w/e reason i can tell you were not planning on getting nV either way, the CPU performance debacle or not.
 
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