Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[kawi6rr]

Somehow with the release of the new intel chips I don't believe that AMD will be able to find a place in my next build.

Knowing your posts and your hatred for AMD did a Ryzen build ever have a chance in your line up?

Ryzen is a great win for AMD and with the bump it's getting next year it will still be a viable platform to build a great system. I plan on building one in the near future when Zen+ comes out.

 

[TheLycan]

So it seems that next year amd will make cpus and gpus on 12 nm. This should keep close gap on intel but it isnt enough to save vega. Its too slow and not efficient.

Unfortunately, on a 5y pc upgrade i had to choose intel again because coffelake its better, but i see a good future for amd, and with 7nm process i think it will surpass intel. In gaming i mean.

 

[Despoiler]

So it seems that next year amd will make cpus and gpus on 12 nm. This should keep close gap on intel but it isnt enough to save vega. Its too slow and not efficient.

Unfortunately, on a 5y pc upgrade i had to choose intel again because coffelake its better, but i see a good future for amd, and with 7nm process i think it will surpass intel. In gaming i mean.

I think Pinnacle Ridge will beat Coffee Lake. I think Intel knows this too, which is why they moved up the launch from Q1 to now even though they have very little product to sell. There is already testing out there with Ryzen @ 3.9ghz and 3466 ram with low latency timings beating the 7700k in games. 12nm should bring clock parity or close enough to Intel's process. The low hanging fruit Zen improvements should put AMD over the edge.

Coffee Lake is an example of what Intel always does. They jump ahead in performance because of their superior process and give you a one and done platform. There is no upgrade path. Personally I'm not down that.

 

[raghu78]

I think Pinnacle Ridge will beat Coffee Lake. I think Intel knows this too, which is why they moved up the launch from Q1 to now even though they have very little product to sell. There is already testing out there with Ryzen @ 3.9ghz and 3466 ram with low latency timings beating the 7700k in games. 12nm should bring clock parity or close enough to Intel's process. The low hanging fruit Zen improvements should put AMD over the edge.

Coffee Lake is an example of what Intel always does. They jump ahead in performance because of their superior process and give you a one and done platform. There is no upgrade path. Personally I'm not down that.

I think for ST and gaming perf CFL will be ahead but Pinnacle Ridge will be very close behind. For MT perf and overall perf/$ I think Pinnacle Ridge will put AMD back in the lead. I totally agree that AMD's value is the longevity of the AM4 platform which should support even the 7nm Zen 2 CPUs. Intel cannot provide anywhere close to that kind of platform value because all they care about is selling you a new motherboard every generation.

 

[crashtech]

Yeah, I don't see AMD taking the ST perf crown in the near-term, but improved ST plus more cores per dollar will certainly make for an interesting value proposition for those who need the throughput.

 

[ozzy702]

Yeah, I don't see AMD taking the ST perf crown in the near-term, but improved ST plus more cores per dollar will certainly make for an interesting value proposition for those who need the throughput.

Same. Intel will still lead in gaming and ST performance but AMD will close the gap and the consumer will benefit!

 

[moinmoin]

Intel is already paying for the ST performance lead with increasing heat and diminishing overclocking headroom. 12LP likely won't surpass it, but the efficiency comparison may still look different.

 

[Jan Olšan]

AMD/Ryzen NPT Fix Discovered For Better Pass-Through Graphics Performance

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-NPT-GPU-Pass-Through

 

[Ryzenenthusiast]

I got some info regarding the Pinnacle Ridge from a friend who is working for Global Foundries. He said that as far as he knows the 12nm LP brings 8-10% Fmax boost to the existing Ryzen line. Also he had stated that a great design change is not going on, zero IPC gain is highly probable. As I expected Pinnacle Ridge and Summit Ridge would essentially be like the same core.

 

[IRobot23]

I got some info regarding the Pinnacle Ridge from a friend who is working for Global Foundries. He said that as far as he knows the 12nm LP brings 8-10% Fmax boost to the existing Ryzen line. Also he had stated that a great design change is not going on, zero IPC gain is highly probable. As I expected Pinnacle Ridge and Summit Ridge would essentially be like the same core.

IPC is good, if they could fix ddr4 latency and optimized CCX latency also would be much better than 5-10% IPC improvement.

 

[Abwx]

. Also he had stated that a great design change is not going on, zero IPC gain is highly probable..

He has access to the layout but he dont know if the ucode is the same, most IPC gain came from the uop cache implementation.
They can get some gain by improving the algorithms, among others the one of the perceptron

 

[Jan Olšan]

I got some info regarding the Pinnacle Ridge from a friend who is working for Global Foundries. He said that as far as he knows the 12nm LP brings 8-10% Fmax boost to the existing Ryzen line. Also he had stated that a great design change is not going on, zero IPC gain is highly probable. As I expected Pinnacle Ridge and Summit Ridge would essentially be like the same core.

Does he have an idea whether it's a refresh made with the same masks actually, or if they had to produce the full mask set anew, for the move from 14LPP to 12LP?

 

[formulav8]

I could see something somewhat like the original BD to PD type low-hanging increase which only took a year or so IIRC. 0%- to 7% IPC and some extra clock-speed headroom. So nothing major, but worthwhile. They said there is low hanging fruit, which means nothing to impressive unfortunately until Zen part 2. IIRC Intel's IL won't be out until around the latter part of next year. So if AMD can get 10% higher overall performance on average with Z+, it should be quite competitive until Intel's Ice Lake. It still does quite well as is IMO.

 

[Jan Olšan]

So Ryzen still sold well at MindFactory in October. Nice to see AMD's Q4 is still strong in retail so far, although Intel got back some revenue share from them and the total revenue in € went down.

(Maybe that was predictable given how little Coffee Lake chips there were to sell, but it is still nice that there was no Osborne effect or something).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/79yfj5/amd_holding_its_ground_against_coffee_lake_yet/

Thanks to Ingebor.

(Note: keep in mind the same things as always, this is just for retail, based on Germany and one store, and it only compares Ryzens+TR against Kaby Lake, Brodwell-E, Skylake-X and Coffee Lake. Prior chip generations or things Ryzen doesn't compete with like Celerons are not included.)

 

[krumme]

So Ryzen still sold well at MindFactory in October. Nice to see AMD's Q4 is still strong in retail so far, although Intel got back some revenue share from them and the total revenue in € went down.

(Maybe that was predictable given how little Coffee Lake chips there were to sell, but it is still nice that there was no Osborne effect or something).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/79yfj5/amd_holding_its_ground_against_coffee_lake_yet/

Thanks to Ingebor.

(Note: keep in mind the same things as always, this is just for retail, based on Germany and one store, and it only compares Ryzens+TR against Kaby Lake, Brodwell-E, Skylake-X and Coffee Lake. Prior chip generations or things Ryzen doesn't compete with like Celerons are not included.)

Now imagine the revenue graph for february. Bd stuff selling bad vs some cheap celeron stuff. Lol.
Interesting a good deal of 8700k and 7820 was sold imo.
But 1600 1600x 1700x and especially the 7700k is the major movers. No wonder.
I guess more ryzen goes the oem way forward and eapecially more dies towards servers. I think intel will get well ahead again for this type of shop even with zen plus but zen is just sold elsewhere.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, I'm glad to see some name-brand OEM boxes with Ryzen desktop CPUs in them. Also looking forward to those HP laptops with Ryzen Mobile very soon now.

 

[Pick2]

Even Best Buy had a Ryzen tower in Sunday's sales flier. Who Da Thunk it ?

 

[moinmoin]

Maybe that was predictable given how little Coffee Lake chips there were to sell, but it is still nice that there was no Osborne effect or something.

Preorders and not yet shipped chips appear to be included in the MindFactory numbers according to a comment on reddit. That would make it even more impressive for AMD.

 

[Jan Olšan]

Preorders and not yet shipped chips appear to be included in the MindFactory numbers according to a comment on reddit. That would make it even more impressive for AMD.

I think that might be true. The store was showing that they sold 5 pieces of i9-7980XE back in june, after it arrived in the listing but obviously was not available yet.
Majority of the 500 piece i7-8700K sales are from the first day IIRC.

 

[SpoCk0nd0pe]

TAM only matters based on how competitive you are. GPUs....not happening without gobs more money. They are squeezing blood from a rock with GPUs right now.

I‘m actually surprised by AMDs GPU numbers tbh. They consistently had the faster product for most tasks and where often sold out because of it (mining). Afaik there are few competent GPU programmers out there and <redacted> proprietary CUDA is still a thing, maybe that‘s got something to do with it. They also failed to milk the professional marked properly.

What do you think we can expect from Ryzen+? Maybe 4.3 GHz? Any credible leaks?

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[jpiniero]

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=893629377&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=EPYC+wof&search=Search

ShopBLT now has Epyc processors you can preorder.

Compare the prices:
7451 (24C, 180W TDP): $2572
7601 (32C, 180W TDP): $4472
7551 (32C, 180W TDP): $3627
Gold 6148 (20C, 150W TDP): $3174
Gold 6152 (22C, 140W TDP): $3769
Plat 8160 (24C, 150W TDP): $4844

 

[Markfw]

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=893629377&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=EPYC+wof&search=Search

ShopBLT now has Epyc processors you can preorder.

Compare the prices:
7451 (24C, 180W TDP): $2572
7601 (32C, 180W TDP): $4472
7551 (32C, 180W TDP): $3627
Gold 6148 (20C, 150W TDP): $3174
Gold 6152 (22C, 140W TDP): $3769
Plat 8160 (24C, 150W TDP): $4844

Thats great, but when you can get a 16 core 3.4 ghz threadripper for $800 (newegg, worst price ATM) you should be able to build 2-3 threadripper systems for the price of one 7601.

 

[jpiniero]

Thats great, but when you can get a 16 core 3.4 ghz threadripper for $800 (newegg, worst price ATM) you should be able to build 2-3 threadripper systems for the price of one 7601.

Yeah but if you are building a server you won't be looking at TR. AMD does give a rather large discount if you only go with UP btw, the 24C is just $1157.

 

[Markfw]

Yeah but if you are building a server you won't be looking at TR. AMD does give a rather large discount if you only go with UP btw, the 24C is just $1157.

hmmmm. But isn't that socket SP3, and different than TR ? and I don't see any TR3 motherboards available, but yes, thats interesting !

Edit: I found a single socket SP3 motherboard for $650 at newegg. Which are the 2P 24 cores ?

 

[Topweasel]

hmmmm. But isn't that socket SP3, and different than TR ? and I don't see any TR3 motherboards available, but yes, thats interesting !

Edit: I found a single socket SP3 motherboard for $650 at newegg. Which are the 2P 24 cores ?

Looking at the price sheet I think he is referring to the 7401P. But that is a 1P CPU. It's $800 less then the 7401 (the 2P CPU). I think his UP was meant to say 1P and got auto'd into UP.