**Official American Idol 5 Discussion Thread**

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
yay, harry potter is gone...

He makes Harry look damn cool.


But, main thing...his singing stunk.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

wow, someone else that doesn't like chris.

i'm not enamored with him either. he's ok, but i don't like his style of music.

elliot also was a bit of a dissapointment to me this week. his voice sounded weak.

after bucky gets booted off next week tho, i really don't care who wins, i think the other 10 contestants all have good reason to be there.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

Exactly. I imagine they had never heard the Chili Peppers version - all Chris did was cover that note for note, using his faux anger. They talked about it as though he was really doing something innovative.

 

[EvilYoda]

damn! I wanted to see that kid get the boot...it's been too long coming.

 

[joshw10]

Yeah it really is karaoke, but it has to be. If they wanted to judge on singing and songwriting that would be a whole different competition with an entirely different set of contestants. And nobody would watch. It's much easier to attract viewers and judge the contestants with songs everybody already knows. Once there is a winner they get put in a studio with professional songwriters who try and pump out Top 40 singles.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

Exactly. I imagine they had never heard the Chili Peppers version - all Chris did was cover that note for note, using his faux anger. They talked about it as though he was really doing something innovative.

You have no ear for music... go listen to the Chilli Peppers version, and then listen to Chris's version again. Yes the background music is IDENTICAL. But Chris's vocals are completely different... they are just like he said, smack in between the Chilli Peppers version, and the Wonder original.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Wow...I can't believe that Kevin got booted off. I thought his "fanbase" would carry him at least one more week.

So did I. Bye Kevin.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Doboji

You have no ear for music... go listen to the Chilli Peppers version, and then listen to Chris's version again. Yes the background music is IDENTICAL. But Chris's vocals are completely different... they are just like he said, smack in between the Chilli Peppers version, and the Wonder original.

I know both songs quite well. He sounds about as much like Stevie Wonder as he sounds like Don Ho. What he actually sounds like is the lead singer in any of several interchangeable crappy bands that have come and gone in the last 10 years. I think this kind of generic feigned-smoldering-anger rock is part of the reason the charts are full of nothing but rap nowadays. Nickelback and their ilk can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

 

[milehigh]

Originally posted by: drum
I want House back.
/leaves thread

Agreed.

What a good problem to have for Fox....knowing that they can bump such a successful show in favor of Idol.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Doboji

You have no ear for music... go listen to the Chilli Peppers version, and then listen to Chris's version again. Yes the background music is IDENTICAL. But Chris's vocals are completely different... they are just like he said, smack in between the Chilli Peppers version, and the Wonder original.

I know both songs quite well. He sounds about as much like Stevie Wonder as he sounds like Don Ho. What he actually sounds like is the lead singer in any of several interchangeable crappy bands that have come and gone in the last 10 years. I think this kind of generic feigned-smoldering-anger rock is part of the reason the charts are full of nothing but rap nowadays. Nickelback and their ilk can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

Since when has the charts EVER represented the best music? I agree I can't see myself buying Chris Daughtrey CDs, but then I don't represent the average american music taste. Fact is Chris is very good at what he does, and it will SELL, not like Kelly Clarkson but I would guess better than any of the other Idols so far.

-Max

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Since when has the charts EVER represented the best music? I agree I can't see myself buying Chris Daughtrey CDs, but then I don't represent the average american music taste. Fact is Chris is very good at what he does, and it will SELL, not like Kelly Clarkson but I would guess better than any of the other Idols so far.

-Max

I guess I should have been more clear. I acknowledge there's a market for crappy, soulless "I'm so angry I must be rock'n'roll" garbage, like the kind Chris is, in my view, looking to sell. I put it on essentially the same level as crappy, soulless white-boy "I'm pretending to rap because I can't sing but you should respect me because I'm angry and cursing" pablum like Limp Bizkit, and crappy, soulless "I have nothing to rebel against but I'm punk because I have tattoos and a pierced nose" crapola like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte.

Ultimately, to me, any genre based on such phony-baloney rage is ultimately unsatisfying and, well, fake. I know there's a market for it, but it'll be forgotten in ten year's time, as will Chris Daughtry's name. I guess you could say the same thing about most pop music, but I can honestly respect an unapologetically formulaic band like the Spice Girls ten times more than, say, Nickleback, who purport to be about something, but aren't.

EDIT: Edited about 5 times because the software doesn't like it when I use hyphens between words, and garbles them.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Doboji

Since when has the charts EVER represented the best music? I agree I can't see myself buying Chris Daughtrey CDs, but then I don't represent the average american music taste. Fact is Chris is very good at what he does, and it will SELL, not like Kelly Clarkson but I would guess better than any of the other Idols so far.

-Max

I guess I should have been more clear. I acknowledge there's a market for crappy, soulless I'm-so-angry-I-must-be-rock'n'roll garbage, like the kind Chris is, in my view, looking to sell. I put it on essentially the same level as crappy, soulless white-boy I'm-pretending-to-rap-because-I-can't-sing-but-you-should-respect-me-because-I-
m-angry-and-cursing pablum like Limp Bizkit, and crappy, soulless I'm-pretending-to-rap-because-I-can't-sing-but-you-should-respect-me-because-I'
-angry-and-cursingI-have-nothing-to-rebel-against-but-I'm-punk-because-I-have-tattoos-and-a-pierc
d-nose crapola like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte.

Ultimately, to me, any genre based on such phony-baloney rage is ultimately unsatisfying and, well, fake. I know there's a market for it, but it'll be forgotten in ten year's time, as will Chris Daughtry's name. I guess you could say the same thing about most pop music, but I can honestly respect an unapologetically formulaic band like the Spice Girls ten times more than, say, Nickleback, who purport to be about something, but aren't.

I understand where you're coming from. But at the end of the day 99% of people are naive consumers, looking to invest their soul in something. People WANT to believe. If you're looking for really good music, and are watching American Idol, you're looking in the wrong place. At least Chris is a genuine guy.... he really is a family man, and he doesnt pretend he's not. Sure his music is fake edgy, but I think thats simply the style he selects, and the style he can sing, I don't think he's a poser. Now if after american idol he comes out with some BS story about how hard his life is, and how angry he is... then I would be annoyed... but as of now, he just isnt doing that.

-Max

 

[d0ofy]

Chris is just good at covering covers. First with RHCP and then with Live. I hated how they made Chris out to be some sort of visionary without crediting Live.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: d0ofy
Chris is just good at covering covers. First with RHCP and then with Live. I hated how they made Chris out to be some sort of visionary without crediting Live.

What was the Live cover? I hadn't realized that. Was it "I Walk the Line"? If that's true, he is definitely getting a lot of credit he doesn't deserve.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: d0ofy
Chris is just good at covering covers. First with RHCP and then with Live. I hated how they made Chris out to be some sort of visionary without crediting Live.

What was the Live cover? I hadn't realized that. Was it "I Walk the Line"? If that's true, he is definitely getting a lot of credit he doesn't deserve.

Yeah the LIVE version is identical to the one he did....

Text

That is rather disappointing.

-Max

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

Simon and Randy might not listen to the Peppers.

and Chris readily admitted he was doing their version of that Stevie Wonder song.
personally i think the Stevie Wonder music only show sucked. only certain voices can pull that off and Chris, being a rocker, found his only way out.
Kelly Pickler, for example, with her country twang voice failed terribly trying to a Stevie Wonder song.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Doboji

You have no ear for music... go listen to the Chilli Peppers version, and then listen to Chris's version again. Yes the background music is IDENTICAL. But Chris's vocals are completely different... they are just like he said, smack in between the Chilli Peppers version, and the Wonder original.

I know both songs quite well. He sounds about as much like Stevie Wonder as he sounds like Don Ho. What he actually sounds like is the lead singer in any of several interchangeable crappy bands that have come and gone in the last 10 years. I think this kind of generic feigned-smoldering-anger rock is part of the reason the charts are full of nothing but rap nowadays. Nickelback and their ilk can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

i don't think you are being fair comparing Daughtry to Chad Krueger. i absolutely cannot listen to nickelback, but Daughtry has my attention.


that said, i am soooooooooo glad Kevin is off the show, and Buckey should be next.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Yeah the LIVE version is identical to the one he did....

Text

That is rather disappointing.

-Max

Wow - I had no idea. At least with "Higher Ground" he gave credit to the Chili Peppers. This is worse, IMO, in that fewer people would have heard the Live version, and it's a more drastic rearrangement of the song than RHCP's cover of "Higher Ground" was. What a turd. I really can't respect him at all at this point.

BTW, your linky no worky, but people can go here to hear a sample of the Live version.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

Simon and Randy might not listen to the Peppers.

and Chris readily admitted he was doing their version of that Stevie Wonder song.
personally i think the Stevie Wonder music only show sucked. only certain voices can pull that off and Chris, being a rocker, found his only way out.
Kelly Pickler, for example, with her country twang voice failed terribly trying to a Stevie Wonder song.

They should know seeing as how they are firmly entrenched in the music industry. I give Paula a pass because she seems so drugged up I'm not sure if she knows where she is half the time.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DonVito
Although I think Chris is talented, I hate hate hate his genre of angry-young-man-with-a-rock'n'roll-underbite, Nickelback-esque, soulless crap rock.

Agreed 100%. Simon said that he was "uncompromising," I rather see it as "can't sing anything other than angry/sensitive college rock" and ruined some good songs in the process. His version of "Higher Ground" was nothing more than a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover. I really dislike his style.

Yeah, I was actually amazed Simon and Randy acted like Chris had done something fresh as if the Chili Peppers hadn't done this already.

Simon and Randy might not listen to the Peppers.

and Chris readily admitted he was doing their version of that Stevie Wonder song.
personally i think the Stevie Wonder music only show sucked. only certain voices can pull that off and Chris, being a rocker, found his only way out.
Kelly Pickler, for example, with her country twang voice failed terribly trying to a Stevie Wonder song.

They should know seeing as how they are firmly entrenched in the music industry. I give Paula a pass because she seems so drugged up I'm not sure if she knows where she is half the time.

i'll bet Simon doesn't listen to the Red Hot Chillis. Randy, i'm not so sure.

anyway, Paula, Tuesday night, the drug probability was very high. she seemed even more flakey than usual. i get tired of her physically hitting Simon. she really is the weak link of the three.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'll bet Simon doesn't listen to the Red Hot Chillis. Randy, i'm not so sure.

anyway, Paula, Tuesday night, the drug probability was very high. she seemed even more flakey than usual. i get tired of her physically hitting Simon. she really is the weak link of the three.

She and Randy are both pretty worthless IMO, and at least she's entertaining. She's absolutely, positively, 100% certainly on SOMETHING - I wonder what it is. I know Simon gets paid more than the other two, and I hope it's a LOT more.

 

[Ronin]

Not reading 13 pages, but my 2 favorites are still in:

Taylor and Chris

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Doboji

Yeah the LIVE version is identical to the one he did....

Text

That is rather disappointing.

-Max

Wow - I had no idea. At least with "Higher Ground" he gave credit to the Chili Peppers. This is worse, IMO, in that fewer people would have heard the Live version, and it's a more drastic rearrangement of the song than RHCP's cover of "Higher Ground" was. What a turd. I really can't respect him at all at this point.

BTW, your linky no worky, but people can go here to hear a sample of the Live version.

it's dissappointing if you were expecting daughtry to have re-composed each song on his own, i suppose. but in reality, each performer is simply taking an arrangement of a song and singing over it. it's pretty irrevelant whether the arrangement was from the original song, from another band, or from a magical rearranging machine. he's not doing anything different from any other contestant.