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lorenmc

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Hello,

I just received a rev 1.04 last week and since then I've been reading how a lot of people are sending any rev earlier than 2.0 back. Is this something I should consider doing or is it only worthwhile if you want to run a 400MHz FSB Athlon in the future?

Thanks
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: snik
I guess this isn't much, but it' my first time... PC2700 is stopping me.
I wouldn't upgrade your RAM. You've got quality stuff in there now, the only thing PC3200 will allow is a higher FSB (rated for 200MHz) which isn't even guaranteed or standard for these boards. The thing holding you back is the Vcore, or voltage to the CPU. There is an adjustment for it in the BIOS. I would raise the multiplier by .5 or raise the FSB by a little bit at a time while raising your Vcore gradually. You've really got to keep an eye on your temps though, as the increased temperature from the Vcore increases will become your limiting factor. I would not go beyond 1.85V and any CPU temps over 55C should be a concern as well.

I will go ahead and upgrade my ram. Chiz, you say that this board stops at around 185-190 fsb, so does this mean that buying memory above PC3200 is pointless? What brand and kind what you recommend? Corsair XMS and what kind?
Again, I don't think you should upgrade your RAM unless you got cash to burn. Your PC2700 should give you some headroom beyond 166MHz FSB. PC3200 and above isn't pointless as long as you buy quality stuff that will be able to run low latency timings. Motherboards and CPUs will begin supporting 200MHz FSBs in the very near future (Barton, Prescott, Canterwood/Springdale, KT600, nForce2 C1/Crush), so 200MHz (DDR400/PC3200) will become more commonplace. Buying RAM with lower latency ratings will give you some future proofing as FSB standards increase; the higher rated the RAM, the more OC'ing flexibility and FSB headroom you'll have. DDR-I will be with us as the standard for at least a year before DDR-II even shows up in desktop PC solutions, so I recommend w/out hesitation going bigger (1GB) and faster (PC2700 is fine, PC3200 if buying new) now while RAM is cheap.

Also I've got a question about voltages. Vcore settings are from 1.650 to 1.800. At what point should I stop? Is 1.800 volts a point where I definitely shouldn't be at? How about memory voltage? Should I mess with that?
Again, with Vcore, just watch your temps. XP's can take a beating, so running at 1.8V is fine for extended periods. Most boards don't let you go beyond 1.85V for a reason though. You will definitely need to raise your Vcore in order to maximize your OC, although a stock OC to 2.167GHz is preferable to some. Memory voltage I would set it and forget it at 2.7V; Its the highest recommended voltage by Corsair; any more will void your warranty. I've never had the need to go higher than 2.7V with my XMS 3200.

Chiz, how did you achieve your overclock? Wow it's nice
Thanks, its nothing special (it was back in January, but not now ), you should be able to accomplish similar results if you have good enough cooling and you increase your Vcore. Your components all seem up to the task.

XDirthead, glad you got most of the issues squared away. :beer::beer: The SMBus is one of those goofy motherboard features for system integrators or something. Its like CNR risers modems; something that looks good on paper, but I dunno anyone who would use it. Does it only happen with your CD-ROM drive? Check in device manager and see if there are any yellow "!" in motherboard resources. Read what the errors are, and try updating the driver for any conflicted items. If you can clearly identify it relating to SMBus, go ahead and disable it and see if that fixes it.

PCMax, hehe thanks man, but its OK, it served me well with no probs for 4 months; I just pushed it too far. Definitely the most touchy BIOS I've used though....hopefully my RMA comes in today will be a Rev. 2

XPGeek, if you're running 1002.A just stick with it for now. The only reason I flashed to 1003 was in hopes of passing 200MHz FSB reliably. If you're running PC2700, stick with a more stable BIOS that easily accomplishes FSB clocks within your memory's capabilities.

Chiz




 

danznatch

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Jan 9, 2003
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Hey all. I've had my A7N8X Deluxe for quite some time now (almost 4 months), and have had some interesting things happen. With the shipping BIOS, I wasn't able to change multipliers at all. I think that was 1001C, or D or E, I don't really remember offhand. But, I flashed to the 1002.001 BIOS and never looked back. I'm running my T-Bred B 2400+ at 11.5 x 200. I keep reading posts about the board having problems with low multipliers; I find the opposite is true. I cannot access a multiplier higher than 12.5x. Going to 13x results in a 5x speed; that's 833mhz @ 166mhz FB, or 1000mhz @ 200mhz FSB. The only reason this issue arose is because my RAM, for some reason or another, has been getting more finicky over time. I have Corsair XMS PC3000 RAM. It ran beautifully at 4-2-2-2 (reading from the top down in the BIOS) at default voltage. After a month or so, I was getting inexplicable lockups. I bumped the RAM up .1V, and it worked fine for another month. Now, it's gotten to the point where i'm maxed out on DDR voltage and I'm still having to cut back on timings because my system locks up. I'm currently at 8-3-3-2 (reading from the top down). In light of this, I wanted to run around the same speed (~2.3ghz) but at a 166mhz synchronous FSB. No go. Choosing the multiplier that would correspond to that speed ends up setting my system to the low multiplier shown after the slash (I'm sure you all have noticed how it goes something like 13x/5x, 13.5x/5.5x etc...). I'm thinking of buying a gig of XMS 3200 TwinX, and selling this RAM to some unsuspecting sap, er, I mean, good friend so I can actually run at aggressive timings at 200mhz again. Any suggestions?

Also, is there any reason to upgrade to the 1002A BIOS?
 

PCHPlayer

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Just got my A7N8X Deluxe 2.0 from Fry's in SoCal. Got it up and running in less than an hour. Been running burn-in tests and pounding on it with games. No issues (except when I tried to overclock my 1G Duron to 1.3G). Gotta love this board. Beats that POS ECS that it replaced.
 

dionx

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i have weird audio problems with my board.

using my klipsch 5.1, i can only get the center/subwoofer to work if i plug that input using the microphone input but wont work using the dedicated center/subwoofer input. when i do use that dedicated center/sub input, the center has no output of sound and is audible only from the left and right speakers. center is absolutely mute.

any fix for this?
 

XPgeek

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Mar 12, 2003
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yeah, im still runnin 1002a, or at least i thought so.
ASUS A7N8X ACPI BIOS Rev 1017 Beta 005 T9
thats what comes out after i export 3Dmark03 results to excel.
i flashed from 1002.bin that i got from here. not the .001, not the Uber. but i thought it was the A.
hmmm
o well, im stable, no probs here.

Dionx, did you set up the speakers in the nVidia SoundStorm control panel? just a thought...
 

chizow

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Jun 26, 2001
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Sweet....just got my cross-shipped RMA from Newegg and its a Rev. 2.0 Baybeeeee!!! :beer::beer:

My bro wasn't so happy tho when I called to tell him that the 1700+ was a 0235 older T-bred A
Off to Ebay with it I guess.

Gonna eat dinner and set it up...I'll update later.

Chiz
 

danznatch

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Jan 9, 2003
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XPgeek, you're running the same BIOS I am. The Asus Probe, as well as the Asus NForce2 Install CD will show our BIOS (the 1002.001 BIOS, also, the .001 doesn't matter, you can change it to .bin, flash it, and get the same results...) as the ASUA A7N8X ACPI BIOS Rev 1017 Beta 005 T9. The last question in my last post was a typo; I meant should I flash to the 1003A BIOS.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for my memory behavior? Or any comments on multiplier behavior? Everyone keeps talking about not being able to use low multipliers; I can't use anything above 12.5x, while I can use anything from 5x all the way through 12.5x.
 

dionx

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Originally posted by: XPgeek


Dionx, did you set up the speakers in the nVidia SoundStorm control panel? just a thought...

yes, i did that using their wizard and also without. i used their test tone to make sure i know where the sound was coming from.

 

XPgeek

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Mar 12, 2003
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ya, i did change the .001 to .bin n flashed it.
then later went to 1002'final'
just now tho, tried to flash to 1002A .
id fire up awdflash from my boot disk, it'd get to the press 'y' to program and it'd just sit there.
i tried 1003 cuz the extention on 1002A was .AWD instead of .bin. i didnt think that'd matter since it is after all AWDflash.
but 1003 just sat there after i told it to program too.
i tried each BIOS 3 times, just didnt do anything any time. i have flashed this board before, this time i guess it just didnt wanna do it.
so im still at 1002'final'
 

XPgeek

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Mar 12, 2003
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well, just for fun i tried the 'press alt+F2 to enter AWDflash' at boot.
never worked before, but did now. i flashed to 1003 cuz thas what was on my boot disk.
curious the SiSoft Sandra 2003 program still says rev 1017 beta 005 T9, but at least the BIOS date changed.
maybe 'rev 1017 beta 005 T9' is the rev of the actual BIOS chip? dunno. i boot now n it says BIOS ver 1003.
 

EpOxY

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Mar 11, 2000
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I just got this board (The deluxe version) along with a XP2100+ from Newegg along with 2x 256 Crucial DDR2700.

But it doesn't boot at all... I read through the thread and everyone's problems seem to be post-POST. But, I don't even get that far... Is my board DOA or my CPU?

Because... after I installed everything, my computer starts up (i.e. the fans start going...) but then shuts down after 5 or 8 seconds...

After I pulled off the HSF and Processor... when I try to boot... the fans turn on and stuff but stay on, as opposed to when the processor is in...

Either way, there's no video feed at all, nor does it "beep."

Anybody have an idea what might be wrong?

 

snik

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Jan 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: EpOxY
I just got this board (The deluxe version) along with a XP2100+ from Newegg along with 2x 256 Crucial DDR2700.

But it doesn't boot at all... I read through the thread and everyone's problems seem to be post-POST. But, I don't even get that far... Is my board DOA or my CPU?

Because... after I installed everything, my computer starts up (i.e. the fans start going...) but then shuts down after 5 or 8 seconds...

After I pulled off the HSF and Processor... when I try to boot... the fans turn on and stuff but stay on, as opposed to when the processor is in...

Either way, there's no video feed at all, nor does it "beep."

Anybody have an idea what might be wrong?



Check your original post on cpu/ocing---> what HSF are you using? Altough you say its not a hsf problem I think it is. Asus overheating protection is kicking in.
 

snik

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Jan 6, 2003
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<------ noob overclocker here, but enjoying my experience.

Someone said this before... It's people like Chiz that make these boards so great.

Can anyone answer these questions please?
I'm running @ 2324 MHz (~2.33 GHz). 14 x 166 @ 1.850 vcore. Temp is 45 degrees under full load in prime95. Is this normal or is the vcore set too high? Any suggestions or comments how to improve my overclock? My XMS 2700 memory is rated at 2-3-3-6-T1. However when I choose 'Aggressive' settings in bios the timings change to 2.5-3-3-7. Same timings are used when I choose 'Optimal' Why does this happen? What is the difference between 'Aggressive' and 'Optimal' settings? I set the ram timings to Corsair's advertised defaults 2-3-3-6 with user defined settings and it seems prime95 doesn't like it. Maybe someone can explain differences between 'Aggressive' and 'Optimal' settings and when during my overclock I can use them. Or perhaps, I should always leave it at 'User Defined'?

Thanks!
 

Wigwam

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just another question about this board and its foibles with memory: know that there are some well-publisied problems with corsair xms3200; does it apply only to the low-latency stuff or to all of this range?

have found the spare cash for "designer" memory so just looking to see which would be best for me on this board with xp2100+ [to o/c].
i also saw pc3700 ram from twinmos and ocz: can one of you gurus explain to me if it is better to get CL2 pc3200 or CL2.5 pc3700 with 4.3ns chips?

thanks
 

DoctaMason

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question -

How do you reset the cmos? I"ve tried the jumper & battery thing. That didnt work. Are there any other ways to do it?
 

floccus

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snik,

Optimal is also conservative. It uses a less agressive setting to ensure Optimal stability. Aggressive is a pre-programmed set of settings that are used for an overclock. User defined si the best answer because it allows you to manually adjust everything to it works right.

What proc are you using? the vcore could be a little high, depending on what you have. The 45C temp doesnt seem that bad, in fact, its not really that high compared to other temps I've seen. On that though, are these temps from the bios or Asus probe? I'm going to assume Asus probe.

With your memory, you would really want to use something like PC3200 XMS, it has the best staibility and is able to handle the higher FSB frequencies, both natively and under OC conditions.

If I didn't answer anything, then sorry, I've had way too much class today and hard thinking really isn't on my list any more
 

snik

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Originally posted by: floccus
snik,

Optimal is also conservative. It uses a less agressive setting to ensure Optimal stability. Aggressive is a pre-programmed set of settings that are used for an overclock. User defined si the best answer because it allows you to manually adjust everything to it works right.

What proc are you using? the vcore could be a little high, depending on what you have. The 45C temp doesnt seem that bad, in fact, its not really that high compared to other temps I've seen. On that though, are these temps from the bios or Asus probe? I'm going to assume Asus probe.

With your memory, you would really want to use something like PC3200 XMS, it has the best staibility and is able to handle the higher FSB frequencies, both natively and under OC conditions.

If I didn't answer anything, then sorry, I've had way too much class today and hard thinking really isn't on my list any more


Amy help is appreciated, floccus! Cpu is 2400. Temp is from MBM readings under full load. (I run Prime95 at the same time I run 3dmark, for maximum stability testing). Full load temp is between 43 and 45 C.
 

FearoftheNight

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I have my new 1700+. Overclocked it. Do you guys think I should push it farther? Kingston Hyperx3000. Right now I am at 185 x 12.5 = 2313 mhz. Timings: 2-2-2-6. Should I go farther? My board is the early 1.02 revision so I dunno if I can push it farther in terms of overclocking the memory and my north bridge limiting me. Is my OC ok? Or go further? My chip is:
AXDA1700DLTC (1.5v) xxxxxx270520 ...0310 XPMW

Edit: Btw do you guys know what I can do w/ my spare 2100 B? Too lazy to ebay it.
 

Pilsnerpete

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Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
I have my new 1700+. Overclocked it. Do you guys think I should push it farther? Kingston Hyperx3000. Right now I am at 185 x 12.5 = 2313 mhz. Timings: 2-2-2-6. Should I go farther? My board is the early 1.02 revision so I dunno if I can push it farther in terms of overclocking the memory and my north bridge limiting me. Is my OC ok? Or go further? My chip is:
AXDA1700DLTC (1.5v) xxxxxx270520 ...0310 XPMW

Edit: Btw do you guys know what I can do w/ my spare 2100 B? Too lazy to ebay it.
Yeah! Send it to me!:gift:

Lower your multi to about 11.5 and kick up the fsb a few notches if you can. Gotta get some AS adhesive under your northbridge and maybe a little fan on top. Or turn your side-blowhole fan around to where it cooperates with the cpu fan. Unless of course you have the proc fan sucking away from the hs.
 

FearoftheNight

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Edit: Btw do you guys know what I can do w/ my spare 2100 B? Too lazy to ebay it.

Yeah! Send it to me!:gift:
q]

I was waiting to see who would try to be smart and say that. My prepared response is yes I will if you pay me.
 

XRdirtHead

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One more computer to upgrade at home with this motherboard. (Mine)
I'm thinkin the slower Barton chip because its about 170 at newegg....not a bad deal....
I usually just buy one stick of Crucial 512mb for memory but maybe two sticks of Corsair 256mb would be better...(still runnin win98)
The Corsair is suppose to be better and the board may run better with two sticks instead of just one 512mb...right?
Please let me know your thoughts and if you know where a good deal is on the Corsair...Link me if you can...Thanks!!!!! ED
Chiz....thanks again...your info has been awesome!
 

floccus

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You'll see some improvements by teaming a Barton with two sticks of Corsair. I'm not sure what level you're looking at, top of the line XMS or such, but the dual channel will definitely help you out a lot. I haven't read all your history so I don't know exactly what you use your computer for, but I'm going to assume a bunch of business apps and such which will work better in the config you listed.

Also, you should know about the Crucial PC2700 issue, so Corsair is always a safe bet
 
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