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chizow

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Originally posted by: XRdirtHead
One more computer to upgrade at home with this motherboard. (Mine)
You took care of yourself last??? That's the most important one, gotta let the Big Dog eat.
I'm thinkin the slower Barton chip because its about 170 at newegg....not a bad deal....
Its not a bad deal, no. But its not the best deal IMO either. It depends on what you will be using your rig for and if you plan on overclocking. The Barton's extra L2 is beneficial in limited apps, most noticeably office apps and games (due to predictable cache accesses). Non-predictable and non-recurring operations like multimedia work benefit from clockspeed. Equally clocked Barton's vs. T-bred B's see a difference of at most 5-10% in apps (from various review sites) where the extra L2 is beneficial. In this case, a 2400+ will have a 167MHz clockspeed advantage over a 2500+, so I'm pretty sure it would beat or tie the 1.83GHz clocked 2500+ in just about every benchmark. If you are overclocking, the results would be similar as Barton 2500+ seem to hit in the 2.1 to 2.2GHz ranged whereas the T-bred B 2100+ or 2400+ accomplish 2.2-2.4GHz. Factoring in the price differences for relatively equal performance, it would be hard to justify paying almost 2x as much for the 2100+ or $40 more than the 2400+ when you going to see similar performance at stock or overclocked speeds.

I usually just buy one stick of Crucial 512mb for memory but maybe two sticks of Corsair 256mb would be better...(still runnin win98)
The Corsair is suppose to be better and the board may run better with two sticks instead of just one 512mb...right?
It really depends again what you plan to do with your rig. Yes, there's dual-channel DDR to consider, but the performance increases are rather insignificant the majority of the time, and even in apps where there is a difference, its not much (5% max). If you think you may want 1GB of RAM in the near future (say 3-6months), I'd say buy 1 stick of 512MB now, and pick one up later for dual-channel DDR. Otherwise you'll end up eating depreciation on 2x256MB modules, which will devalue faster as mfgs. and consumers begin focusing on 512MB dimms. Then you'll have to pony up for 2 x 512MB. Could get expensive. Theoretically, you could still get dual-channel by using 2 x 256MB in slot 1 and 2 and 1 x 512MB in slot 3, but I've read of a few problems and don't totally trust that configuration. It will also be detrimental to any OC'ing efforts as the nForce2 memory controllers can be a bit touchy; each dimm you introduce increases the chance of instability and lower FSB OC'ing headroom.

I'd go with DDR 400 if you are buying new RAM. I'm using XMS 3200LL and its been great. Even if you get a 266MHz XP, you can adjust the multipliers and FSB to run stock speeds w/out actually overclocking the processor; faster RAM will give you the flexibility and headroom to accomplish this. Also, AMD will soon be releasing their 400MHz FSB chips, so PC3200 will be natively able to support these new chips in the future.

Please let me know your thoughts and if you know where a good deal is on the Corsair...Link me if you can...Thanks!!!!! ED
Chiz....thanks again...your info has been awesome!
Np. Once you put enough systems together, the info I passed along will come as 2nd nature. There's always a slight learning curve with each new board/chipset generation, but for the most part, motherboard tweaks/troubleshooting hasn't changed relative to its predecessor since softBIOS' have been released.

I'd check out:
Googlegear as a reference point; they're typically the price leaders of the better regarded e-tailers when it comes to RAM.
Monarch is excellent as well, and they're on the East Coast; I bought mine from there as they were cheapest at the time.
And of course there's Newegg, but I've found their RAM prices tend to lag behind the others.

Essential Computers (essencompu.com) is another excellent e-tailer I've used in the past. All of them are excellent when it comes to quality and service, and offer cheap ($2 or less) or free shipping as well. Definitely go TwinX if you want to go dual-channel as there isn't any price premium over 2 separate sticks of LL, and you get the protection of being able to RMA w/out question if they don't run at their rated speed and timings in dual-channel.

Chiz

Edit: Post #200 :beer: I had post #100 too.
 

XRdirtHead

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Also, you should know about the Crucial PC2700 issue, so Corsair is always a safe bet

Floccus:
Whats up with the Crucial PC2700....I just upgraded 3 computers here with it and they all "seem" to be fine.

We mostly use our computers for gaming!

So, would it be a waste to spend money of the Corsair?
 

XRdirtHead

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chiz....your way too quick....I'll need some time to decipher your answer...thanks.
Just looking to build gaming rigs for the family network.....
 

Pilsnerpete

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You got a rev. 2 when you rma'd your rev. 1, Chizow? Nice. What bios do you use for the rev. 2? I'm trying out the newest, but I'll probly go to the rev. 2 final. I was getting a headache with the one mine shipped with. beta 12 or some sh!t. Comeon. Had reset cmos every time I went too far. It wouldn't default to 100fsb!!
 

jjjjayd13

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Originally posted by: EpOxY
I just got this board (The deluxe version) along with a XP2100+ from Newegg along with 2x 256 Crucial DDR2700.

But it doesn't boot at all... I read through the thread and everyone's problems seem to be post-POST. But, I don't even get that far... Is my board DOA or my CPU?

Because... after I installed everything, my computer starts up (i.e. the fans start going...) but then shuts down after 5 or 8 seconds...

After I pulled off the HSF and Processor... when I try to boot... the fans turn on and stuff but stay on, as opposed to when the processor is in...

Either way, there's no video feed at all, nor does it "beep."

Anybody have an idea what might be wrong?

I had the same problem, same board and cpu.

I tried (MANY) changes to the bios, nothing worked, until I adjusted for AGGRESSIVE mode.

Hope this helps.

 

floccus

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The Cucial PC2700 issue is one of those great computing mysteries. For some reason its been hit or miss with getting it to work with an nForce2 board. Crucial isn't really sure why this is and they aren't really sure how to fix it. What makes matters worse for them is that some people aren't having any problems, and some are getting so mad b/c it doesn't work that they are switching to other manufactureres permanantely.

I personally love Crucial and wish them the best with this problem, they're awesome for reliable cheap ram. I use them all the time if I don't want to pay premium for some Corsair (no sense in paying the price for XMS if you're building a box for your g-mom to write emails on).
 

nippyjun

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Do you guys think that the 2.0 version of this mobo is going to officially be called the nforce2 400 ultra soon? or do you think that there will be a newer version?
 

EpOxY

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Originally posted by: jjjjayd13


I had the same problem, same board and cpu.

I tried (MANY) changes to the bios, nothing worked, until I adjusted for AGGRESSIVE mode.

Hope this helps.


I wish i could get far enough to make changes to the BIOS. arghghghg..
 

patrickc

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Originally posted by: jjjjayd13
Originally posted by: EpOxY
I just got this board (The deluxe version) along with a XP2100+ from Newegg along with 2x 256 Crucial DDR2700.

But it doesn't boot at all... I read through the thread and everyone's problems seem to be post-POST. But, I don't even get that far... Is my board DOA or my CPU?

Because... after I installed everything, my computer starts up (i.e. the fans start going...) but then shuts down after 5 or 8 seconds...

After I pulled off the HSF and Processor... when I try to boot... the fans turn on and stuff but stay on, as opposed to when the processor is in...

Either way, there's no video feed at all, nor does it "beep."

Anybody have an idea what might be wrong?

I had the same problem, same board and cpu.

I tried (MANY) changes to the bios, nothing worked, until I adjusted for AGGRESSIVE mode.

Hope this helps.




you might just try and pull the cable at the floppy and turn it around...
this one had me going for a bit, had it in backwards...fans would spin for a couple of sec and then stop...no noise no nuthin'...
 

stultus

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Got my A7N8X DLX refurb from newegg yesterday, along with a 2100+ 0302 and 512 HyperX PC3000 the day before. Was getting all excited but then my GF4 4400 decided to die. I wanted to test things out ASAP so I bought a vid card locally. I was *FORCED* to go to Best Buy and buy a 9700 Pro. Anyhow, on popping in the 9700 I couldn't get 3dmark03 to run a single test without crashing. I was freaked out. But I made a couple BIOS changes based on this thread at Rage3D, and it all works flawlessly.

I'm currently at 2305 (192x12) @1.7V and looking for my sweet spot. (Once I find it I'll back down off of the voltage and see if I can run it any cooler.) Board is 1.04. I can't boot at 195 FSB (northbridge issue?) but it's not really bothering me. I mean, I'm running 2.3 GHz. Running the 1002.A1 uber BIOS as seen here (now obsolete by the 1003 Uber BIOS, but I've got no problems with 1002 so I'll stay put!)

I'm glad I read this thread - I didn't know anything about the bios corruption problem. I've done some pretty radical changes and I'm glad I've not gotten stuck with a bum board.
 

DanStp

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Oct 9, 1999
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Has anyone had trouble with USB 2.0 devices and this board? I have the Deluxe model, and I am trying to hook up a Visioneer 8920 scanner. It will not reconize the scanner but a USB Zip drive, and a USB gamepad I have both work. I tried the scanner on another XP PC one that has USB 1.1 only, and installed fine. I am using XP with SP1 installed, and everything looks fine in the device manager. I am using the 1002a Bios.
 

floccus

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This doesn't seem to me to be a USB problem. But to make sure... have you switched which port you're using? Since you have other things working, I'm bound to assume that there is either a driver problem or the hardware itself doesn't like your computer. The driver problem seems more likely, often you need to install the drivers before plugging a scanner in or it gets screwed up, even in XP somtimes.

The USB 1.1/2.0 thing shouldn't be an issue. 2.0 is backwards compatible with 1.1
 

DanStp

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The driver was installed correctly, none of the 6 USB ports reconize this scanner Any of the USB drivers on the net do not help it either. MY USB printer works fine, along with my gamepad, and USB Zip Drive. I will probably RMA the board or get a USB 2.0 card. Thats what many are doing according to forum posts. Does anyone here have a Visoneer USB 2.0 scanner working with this MB?
 

floccus

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I just don't think the board is the problem. If other peripherals work fine then it would be your scanner that is having the problem so RMAing the board won't help you out, and since all the ports are USB2.0, adding in another card wouldn't help either.
 

Jay487

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Apr 13, 2003
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sorry for the length, but i copied and pasted from something else i wrote You must read it all so that you dont waste time replying to something I dont need help with, and thanks in advance for any replies.

OK i just built my new system, it powers up, It detects everything, but I get the following error: PXE-E61 Media Test Failure, check cable. I get this when the system would normally say "press any key to boot from cd rom..."

This means i cant install windows, ive tried unlpuggin/plugging back in the IDE cables and power cables, ive tried swapping the ports on the mobo, ive tried a new IDE cable for the 2 cd roms (liteon cdrw and liteondvd) ones on master ones on slave, ive tried just one on c/s, ive checked boot sequence, its cdrom floppy hd, and i still get this error no matter what.

my specs are as followed:

asus a7n8x deluxe
antec 400 watt powr supply
amd barton xp 2500+
512 mb ddr ram pc3200
ati radeon 9700 pro
western digital 80 gb hd
liteon cdrw and liteon dvd
taec floppy

i built the same system for a friend with no trouble a few days ago, same exact parts except for power supply.

any ideas? Please help, im so upset that this doesnt work :[


THEN...


It for some reason FINALLY decided to boot from cd (this is why i think the bios is a little screwey)

so anyways WinXP CD formatted the hard drive, copied the installation files and rebooted. When windows xp setup would load, i get a Blank screen. I manually reboot. BSOD!

The bios in this system is not fully ACPI compliant. Please contact your system vendor or visit hardware-update.com for an updated bios. If you are unable to obtain an updated bios or the latest bios supplied from your vendor is not ACPI compliant, you can turn off ACPI mode during test mode setup. To do this, simply press the F7 Key when you are prompted to install storage drivers. The system will not notify you that the F7 key was pressed, it will silently disable ACPI and allow you to continue your installation.

Technical Information

***STOP: 0x000000A5 (0x00000011, 0x00000006, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)

should i try to "reinstall" the bios? (is it corrupted or something?) right now i have 1002.A

can someone reccomend what file I should get from the asus site, and any other tips? thanks soo much

-Jason
 

XRdirtHead

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I'm not at home but wife called and said the scanner wasn't working. I know it was working when I set up my computer. The scanner is plugged into a USB hub with other devices (like the mouse) that are working fine. Is it possible that in the bios I disabled something that would cause the scanner not to work but allow the other devices to work.
 

Graywar

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maybe i'm just stupid but how do i get the usb ports to be in 2.0? its set to 2.0 in bios but what do i need to do?
 

floccus

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Um, the USB runs at 2.0 spec. all the time. The spec. itself allows it to run slower for USB 1.1 devices. Um, yeah, so you don't change it... it just is USB 2.0 and is able to support USB 1.1 devices.
 

XPgeek

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Hmmm, interesting factoid about the Crucial mem's not playing nice with nForce2's.
a freind of mine built a pc w the A7N8X Dlx, same as mine, n she got 2x512 DDR333 Crucial sticks.
she gets alot of random reboots, and memtest86 turns up errors in the mem.
could this be a Crucial prob? would going to Corsair help?

note*
i had her run it in dual channel mode, and run with both sticks in but not the dual chan slots, and one stick at a time.
reboots all around. lots of em. her power is a 300W, same as mine, so im not thinking a PSU issue...
its just kinna funny, to me anyhow. she went and got brand name mem's, i got house brand from local shop.
she has probs, i dont. all i know bout my mem is that it is DDR333 and uses Samsung chips. but the guys at my store said that it was the only kind they had work well in the A7N8X Dlx. anyhow, mines not the prob.
 

floccus

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Um, if Memtest turns up errors, then its just a bad fab and she should RMA them. The Crucial problem with their PC27000 line is pretty random in the errors is causes, but I haven't heard of memtest showing errors with them so as I said, she probably just got bad sticks.

As for Corsair helping... XMs would help, but any stick that memtest passes would be better in this case.
 

bjamm2

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Price of the AMD Barton 2500 is down to 150 shipped at both googlegear and newegg, so basically pick either 2day UPS shipping or fedex, both ship from CA, but me i prefer googlegear, they are AWESOME ordered all my stuff from there. RMA'd my asus a7n8x 1.06 and ended up getting a 2.0rev back which works perfectly.
 

jjjjayd13

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Originally posted by: EpOxY
Originally posted by: jjjjayd13


I had the same problem, same board and cpu.

I tried (MANY) changes to the bios, nothing worked, until I adjusted for AGGRESSIVE mode.

Hope this helps.


I wish i could get far enough to make changes to the BIOS. arghghghg..

You should reach your options for bios first!

Hit del key, repeatedly, as soon as the start-up screens, appears.

Hope this helps.
 
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