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vortexted

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Originally posted by: IronWolf11
Yeah, I have tried the altest driver....044 or whatever it is I believe. I have tried, I even exchanged my board for a new one, still the same problem. This is defintely a problem on 3Com's end I do believe. Ummm..can you actually use remote assistance and such without DMZing? When I go into DMZ mode, it will not let me use msn's remote assistance, and whitebaord and such. If you can let me know if that works. I have the Asus P4C800 deluxe for whoever was wondering, but I knwo its the same 3C 940 LOM from 3com thats on the p4P boards as well, and apprently some ABIT's. This issuse has driven me up the wall lol...I jsut use an external nic now. I cant be the only one having issuses with it.

What is this 3com LOM your referring to? Is this related to the intregrated Lan? I did notice some drivers on the Asus disc that said 3com... do I need to install those? I did not see anything in the book about it.
BTW, I have the E-dlx board.

I have the latest bios 1011 installed.

TY


 

vortexted

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Originally posted by: LA
HELLO ALL IM A NOOB TO FORUM HERE.
THE REASON IM HERE IS I HAVE THE P4C800 DELUX AND ALSO THE P4C800-E ON EATHER ONE OF THEASE I CANNOT PUT A OS ON A HARDDRIVE.
I TRYED EVERYTHING CHANGED MEM TRYED 5 DIFFERENT HADRDRIVES I ONLY PUT A VIDEO CARD IN, NO OTHER CARDS AND STILL I GET A BLUE SCREEN AS I START TO LOAD WIN XP PRO FILES ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH IT BLUE ME WITH : PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGE_AERA . THIS IS BEFOR THE FIRST AUTO REBOOT THAT THE OPERATING SYS DOSE WHILE IT LOADS . I TAKE THE SAME HARDDRIVES AND PUT THEM ON A 533 MOTHER BOARD OR A ATHLON AND THEY WORK FINE NO PROBLEM PUTTIMG OS ON. ONLY WITH THE P4C800-E AND NON E FSB MOBO DOSE IT GET STUCK AS I LOAD A OS. I TRYED 3 DIFFERENT BRANDS OF MEM TOO . ANY 1 KNOW THIS PROBLEM OR BETTER YET AN ANSWER TO THIS?

I was having similiar problems when I first put my -E dlx board together. I was using an Enermax -e 431w ps and it wasnt to happy with the new asus board at all.
After changing out to a 450W ps the blue screen page_fault erros and such went away. That was another 12 hour night of insanity trying to figure that one out




 

vortexted

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I would give you a link to the Bootable CD image and stuff but im not at my machine.. post it later if you need it.[/quote]


I'm interested in how to make a bootable CD if you can find that link. Thanks

 

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vortexted, where is the link for the article? (I can't tell if you answered your own question about the BIOS update, or if you are quoting someone else. If that text is from someone else, you need to "quote" it, or at least put it in italics or something like that. If you're asking.....I posted something on this recently in this thread, look up and you'll see it. Might be on previous page for you).[/quote]

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/index.html
There are 2 articles.. searching for the memory Holy Grail, part 1 & 2. Also read the Mushkin and Adata 2 for the fast times. Lots of great info on all the new DDR's out and the -E deluxe board.

 

vortexted

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I would love your oppinions concerning the HDD's, I'm not sure which of the two to go with, I'm seeing some pretty close benchmarks between the Caviar's and the Raptor's but would love to have the extra space the Caviar's provide as long as they truly are about as fast as the Raptor's. The bottom line is I want the speed more than I want the extra space but if these two drives are close enough then I'd go for the Caviar's simply because they do have more space. What are your thoughts/experiences?

There is a review on the Raptors here on anandtech under the storage section they say its the fastest ATA drive they have ever tested. Another review on tomshardware reviews said the same thing. I just got mine the mail today but have not installed it yet. Still trying to work out my problems with my current IDE ATA drives.



 

vortexted

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I'm having some real problems with getting my hard drives to work. I can really use some help on this one.

I tried installing 2 IDE ATA drives on the primary IDE controller, and a CD rom on the 2nd IDE controller.
Setting 1 to master, 1 to slave, let bios auto detect. Most of the time the bios picked it up, but WinXP Pro did not. When it did.. it was just bog down my system when trying to access a lot of big image files. Sometimes it would even freeze up the system. The whole time, even when I booted into windows and sat idle, the hd light was constantly going, and something called System Idle Process in the task manager is always going at 99. Its still going now as well even after I disconnected the slave drive. But without the slave its running very stable and access files just fine. I checked the jumpers they are fine.
I would put the 2nd drive on the other controller but then my CD would have to moved to a lower bay.
I almost lost all the data on the slave drive several times as chkdsk kept wanting to fix it after crashes.

I just got a raptor today so I'm going to install that as OS drive, and just keep one IDE for large data files.

Still I have no idea why I could not run 2 IDE ATA drives on the one controller. I have a 450ps so power is not a problem.
Any ideas ?? I'm going to do a clean install this weekend and hopefully that will clear up my many of my problems.


One other question. Do I need to install the intel chipsets from the intel site first, before I start flashing the bios etc.
What are the critical updates I need to install to the board before I start loading XP Pro?
Thanks for the help... I learned a lot from this board today

 

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http://www.anandtech.com/memory/index.html
There are 2 articles.. searching for the memory Holy Grail, part 1 & 2. Also read the Mushkin and Adata 2 for the fast times. Lots of great info on all the new DDR's out and the -E deluxe board.
Oh yeah, I had those already. Good links. (BTW, what's wrong with the "quote" function here? Every time I use it, it only quotes ONE LINE and not all the text I need to quote. This started recently).

Someone asked about power supplies. I did a lot of research on this and the best one is the Fortron/Source FSP400-60PFN. It's also about the cheapest. It was half the price of some units tested. It only has ONE FAN, yet it ran the COOLEST of the bunch at different sites that review supplies. Out of 12-15 supplies, it had the 2nd to lowest memory test errors. Less than a 1% different from the 1st place finisher in that specific test, and it was half the price. It also had the 2nd highest or highest actual wattage output. I only paid $59 for mine. It's the heaviest supply I've ever held. Out of about 4-5 sites that tested supplies; all gave that supply the top rating. The only drawback to it, is it's really ugly. Looks like a cheap, typical gray, ATX supply.

vortexted, I already answered that about the hard drives.

You cannot install any critical updates without first installing an OS. After you install XP, install SP1 and NOT SP1a, then install the mobo drivers, next install the rest of your drivers to get rid of any yellow marks in the device manager. You may have to install a patch for USB 2.0 support before the USB drivers on the mobo CD will 'take'. Then, install ONLY what you definitely need from the win update site.

It's too much to type here, but suffice to say that the majority of what the update site tells you that you need, you not only don't need it, but they can screw your PC up bad. You have to click the "read more" links below each update and read about them to decide if you need them or not. The update site is stupid, it's not what it used to be. In addition to it telling you to install BS you don't need (which in many cases is also trackware); contrary to what the M$ jerks say at the site, the site does indeed scan your ENTIRE HD's, and DOES INDEED not only send personal info back to M$, but also sends info back to the manufacturers of OTHER software and programs on your HD's! What I do, is subscribe to a newsletter than informs you of ALL available updates, then I read about them to see if they are applicable in my case. If I find that I need any, I go to a NON MS website to download them. The second best thing you can do is do what I suggested above about the update site: [shudder] let it scan your HD to tell you what's available, write those down, then read about them by searching for the update # @google, but do not download the updates you need from the update site. Get them from elsewhere. The less time you spend at that site, the better. Also remove ANY cookies from MS on your HD when you are through, empty the Content.IE5 folder (dumping it from IE options does NOT remove everything), and clear your history. At least on my PC, I CANNOT manually remove individual MS links from your history!! The only way to remove them is to clear your entire history, and on my PC it takes about FIVE or MORE times of hitting the dam' "delete" button for the history to clear! The less M$ tracking and spying crap you have on your PC, the better.
 

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Great looking memory. FWIW, the Geil PC4000 is a little bit faster, and cheaper. Curious with both he was only able to hit 260mhz/DDR520, must be the mobo or CPU he used. At other sites the Geil PC4000 was able to do DDR546 on the P4C800 (and the Corsair TwinX XMS PC4000 did DDR530). The Geil is also CAS 2.5.

Thanks for the link. I just got the Geil Platinum PC4000 in, and I'm glad to see it's still the fastest. <whew> Of course that will probably last only a few weeks! :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: vortexted
One other question. Do I need to install the intel chipsets from the intel site first, before I start flashing the bios etc. What are the critical updates I need to install to the board before I start loading XP Pro? Thanks for the help... I learned a lot from this board today


You should read this. It's the best OS/software installation guide I've seen. Explains the order in which you should install everything.
 

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I have a 5600 which is basically the same as the 5900 just cheaper, and it works GREAT. There are issues with the 9700 and this board. Personally I would stay away from ATI completely there are always too many issues with their cards.
 

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First of all, I don't agree with ^. ATI cards OWN.

Well, enuff about that, time for my REAL question.

I have a P4C800 Deluxe + P4 3.0C + 1GB of WinBond PC3500 CH-5 RAM. The RAM is doing horribly. Check out the site where I bought it: http://www.hardcorecooling.us/product.asp?0=200&1=201&3=407

Notice the 2-2-2-5 timings.... well, it DOESN'T EVEN DO CAS 2.0 FOR ME! I currently have my FSB @ 217MHz to match the RAM. I tried doing all kinds of timings / voltage combinations and can't get it to work.... The SPD doesn't detect good timings @ all, and the best timings I can get it to do are 2.5-3-3-6. The RAM does pretty badly on benchmarks, like 9000-ish on PC Mark 2002, while ppl with 1 stick of PC3200 get a lot better scores. Is there any way to get the RAM to work well? CH-5 is a popular chip, and many other companies are using it, thus if anyone has a CH-5-based RAM or just CH-5 RAM, plz tell me what BIOS options to us (or just suggestions).

I'm trying to return or exchange it for BH-5 RAM, and I'll see how that goes, but for now, I wanna see if I can maybe change some BIOS settings to make it go at least like 2-3-3-7. I dunno what to put for the settings other than FSB @ 217MHz and the RAM timings. The rest is basically default. Help would be greatly appreciated.

If I manage to return the RAM, what RAM should I get? I'm not gonna spend more than around $240. I want at least PC3500 RAM, plz don't forget. My BIOS version is v1010. Thanks a lot, guys!
 

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You should read this. It's the best OS/software installation guide I've seen. Explains the order in which you should install everything.[/quote]


Actually I did read that thread and have it printed out. Some things in that is what confused me more, such as installing the intel drivers, and not from the mobo cd rom.

COMPUTER - Why not the SP1A update? That install guide posted here says to use that and I am having problems with the intregrated Lan on this board.

One last question. I have my new Raptor, but have not installed it yet. I will with my fresh OS install this week. But I want to run it in Raid 0. Now these new 74Gig raptors, with faster throughput will be out in November. Can I run this Raptor in Raid 0 with the new one, or do they have to be the same size, same drive etc...

TY



 

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The web is full of message boards regarding SP1a problems. I hated it and I too had problems with it. It also has no Java support and you have to install Sun to be able to see Java with it. Not an issue if you're a NS person, but if you're an IE person; going from MS Java VM to Sun is HORRIBLE. It did not display Java or applets accurately and looked horrible. It's a pain trying to find SP1, I lucked out and found a d'load for it after a LONG time of searching. It's ~130mb in size. Sorry I don't have the URL, I just saved the d'load to a CD.

Now about the new Raptor........ &^%#!*&$!!!! :| :| :| I should have known as soon as I got my WD360GD they'd have a better one blowing it away! No, I haven't installed it yet, I can't even make my mind up on a mobo. So..anyone want to buy a WD360GD Raptor? Vortexted You're saying you have the 36gb Raptor, right?
 

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Well a lot of info here but now I'm not too sure if this is the board for me or not .. I have a 9700 pro I want to keep and I have been going nutz trying to figure out which ram combo (512mb) will give me the best timings at stock as well as oc fsb speeds. also is it possible to run a sata drive as a single and use it as the boot and load up the ide controllers with my cdrw\cdrom my other hdds ??.. was going to go for a 24., 6 or .8 cpu but I'm tempted now to wait for the 3.2 with 2mb L3 any thoughts on that ?? money is not a big issue but I'm guessing that new cpu when released is gonna cost an arm and a leg. Any input greatly appreciated if I missed something that has already been posted I'm sorry but I haven't had time to read all of the posts in this thread yet but came here looking for some answers Re: the ram issue ( the 9700 pro issue is new to me ) Oh yeah I may install win98se instead of xp pro as I use the machine for games alot, one last ? any problems reported like above with a netgear rp614 ?

TIA
 

Xeon

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Thanks computer This is great stuff!

What you say down here makes a lot more sense to me now. So basically no matter what processor you use, having a higher FSB is going to determine better performance and because the FSB on the faster cpu's can only go so high, the performance will actually be better on a slower clocked cpu because of this FSB speed.

Now having said that, what is the real limitation of the FSB for these higher clocked cpu's and why can't they run at the 3750 that you mention below? This is the part I'm struggling with and so that I understand why if I get a 3.2Ghz P4, what's stopping me from pushing the FSB and to it's limit using the 15 multiplier? I'm essentially trying to understand where the bottleneck is for these faster cpu's. I know you say it's a limit of the silicon but what does that really mean? If the slower cpu's can do the higher FSB's than why can't the faster cpu's? Is it a limitation of the RAM that's the whole issue here?

I think part of my problem is that I don't fully understand the 2-2-2-5 when it comes to memory, so if you have any informational guides that explain this, either in .pdf or even online, I'd appreciate it if you could share it

Sorry for my ignorance, I just want to make sure I fully grasp what these limitations are so I can develop my own strategy for what to purchase. I get the feeling that most everyone here is just like I am and wants to understand instead of just blindly following the pack with regards to what they purchase.

Take care and happy o'clocking!

Once again computer I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and patience!

All of the P4 HT (Hyper-Threading) CPU's from 2.4ghz on up are all 800mhz bus (quad pumped) meaning the bus (FSB) is 200mhz for all of them. In the case of the 2.4ghz; that is 2400mhz and that divided by the bus (200mhz) is 12 which means that CPU has a multiplier of 12x....12x200mhz = 2400mhz = 2.4ghz. In order to O'clock a P4, the bus speed has to be increased since the multipliers are locked. If you bump the FSB to 250mhz, that means (in this case of the 2.4ghz CPU); 250 x 12 = 3000mhz. If you do this with a 3ghz CPU, it's multiplier is 15 so increasing the FSB on it to 250mhz would be 3750mhz, which it won't do. See, because of the multiplier, you can get a FASTER bus speed from a 2.4C CPU giving it more bandwidth = more performance.

Sorry, I didn't bookmark the sites that compared the 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 & 3ghz CPU's. All I can say is it's "somewhere" at this forum on one of the threads I posted on, that's how I found & read one of the links. I'm not sure I described it correctly above, but the last sentence is essentially correct. In the tests, all CPU's were able to hit about 3.4ghz +/- only a few mhz, that is about the limit of the silicon so to speak. A 2.4ghz doing that speed (due to the smaller multiplier) would require a faster FSB speed giving it more bandwidth .....also requiring it to need faster memory. They recommended PC3700 for 3ghz + CPU's for this reason, and PC4000 memory for the 2.4C CPU if you want the most out of your CPU and system. This is all going on the assumption you are using 1:1 CPU/memory ratio because that is usually the best performance setting. Running 5:4 or 3:2 lowers the memory mhz....but in some cases can give you a faster CPU speed which may end up giving you better OVERALL performance. It's confusing, I know. This is why a lot of tinkering is required to find out what is best for any given specific mobo/memory/CPU combination.

FYI, PC4000 is DDR500; PC3700 is DDR466; PC3500 is DDR433; PC3200 is DDR400.

Ok, here is one link I found, this is the last page of the review and comments on what I was trying to explain....
If you have a 2.8 to 3.2GHz CPU and plan to overclock, then it is likely to be limited to an overclock somewhere in the 240 to 245 FSB range..................For a 2.4C or 2.6C Intel Pentium 4 processor, you may achieve overclocks up to the 290 FSB range. The winners of our DDR500 shootout ? OCZ PC4000 Copper and Geil Platinum 4000 ? will let you reach the highest 1:1 or synchronous ratios possible.

I forgot about the new Mushkin II being faster than the OCZ PC3700 Gold AT STOCK SPEEDS or slightly higher, you'll see it's review at that link above. However the OCZ PC4000 (DDR500) is still the best for the MAXIMUM FSB speed and overclock with COST NO CONSIDERATION, and with a 2.4C CPU. Again, it's about $70 more that the Geil UP PC4000, not worth it IMO. This is for 2x256mb prices. I never compared any $ for 1gb kits, just too expensive for me.


 

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OK, I have someone that's discussing an issue that I could have sworn was solved here on this thread, but I can't seem to find that message here when I quickly go through and try to find it.

Here is the problem. The guy has this setup:

SYSTEM SPECS:

Power Supply: Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480Watts
Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
CPU: P4 3GHz, 800MHz FSB
RAM: Corsair TWINX1024-3200LLPT 1GB DDR400 XMS3200
Video: ATI Radeon 9600
Audio: SoundBlaster Audigy 2
Hard Drives: 4 IDE disk drives
Optical Drives: 1 CD-R/RW, 1 DVD
Fans: 7 case fans
O/S: Windows XP Pro SP1 with all Updates

But he can't get the USB 2.0 to work. When he plugs anything into these USB ports the machine won't boot up, if he unplugs them, everything is fine.

If you any of you were involved in this thread, could you post what you did again here to solve this problem?

Thanks and Happy o'clocking!

 

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About the USB 2.0.....somewhere in this thread and at Newegg's user reviews on this board you'll see that many are having USB problems. They are saying you have to disable Legacy USB in the BIOS for USB 2.0 to work! Some are NOT having this problem though.

laggerez, currently the best DEAL or best BUY for this mobo is Geil Ultra Platinum PC4000 for overclocking (2x512mb). For non overclocked speeds it's the OCZ Gold PC3700. The best for overclocking price no issue is the OCZ PC4000. I assume it's the "Gold" as well, but the review said "Copper" and there is no OCZ "Copper". The Geil is about $70 cheaper for 256x2 which makes it a much better deal. See the Memory Holy Grail Pt. 2 article at Anandtech. Note that the PC4000 Geil 2x512mb kit is Double sided memory, while the 2x256mb kit is SINGLE SIDED. You get better performance from DOUBLE sided, however what I read in an article was you canNOT enable PAT on this mobo while using FOUR DS memory modules. So, for this mobo it appears that 4x256mb Geil PC4000 may give the best performance when using all four banks. All four banks populated also gives better performance that two being used.

Xeon, some may run @3750, but I've never heard of it. That's an awfully fast speed and there isn't much "silicon around that can do that air cooled". You can still push the FSB to the limit on a 3.2ghz CPU, it's just that the FSB is going to be LOWER than that of the 2.4C overclocked. A 2.4C overclocked to even maybe as low as 3ghz shows more performance that a 3.2ghz due to the faster FSB. Remember the article I mentioned that tested a 2.4C, 2.6 or 2.8, and a 3.0ghz. They all O'clocked to about the same speed, but the 2.4C had the fastest benchmarks due to being able to get a faster FSB out of it.

I don't know how else to explain about the silicon. You'll just have to read about how CPU's are made. They are made of silicon and present mining, manufacturing & assembly technology limits the max. "oscillations per second" the silicon can handle so to speak.

I mentioned you could read the Anandtech memory article for more info on the memory timings. Each one represents a specific "Timing" and the lower the faster, all other things remaining the same. For example if you lower your memory timings while keeping the FSB the same (IF you can keep it the same), you get more performance. However if you can raise your FSB MORE, to it's MAX; even though you have to probably slow down the timings you'll get more performance because the FSB speed is more important for performance rather than timings. AMD rigs are almost the opposite, timings are much more critical with them.
 

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OK this is very confusing. I'm looking at ocz's website and I can't tell the difference from all the different types of descriptions they have, which sticks to buy for this board. I can't even tell which of these is DS based off their descriptions. Does anyone else know the differences between all of these?

OCZ Enhanced Latency Series

DDR
EL DDR PC-4000
EL DDR PC-3700
EL DDR PC-3500
EL DDR PC-3200
Gold
EL DDR PC-4000 Gold
EL DDR PC-3700 Gold
Dual Channel Optimized DDR
EL DDR PC-4000 Dual Channel
EL DDR PC-3500 Dual Channel
EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel
Dual Channel Gold
EL DDR PC-4000 Dual Channel Gold
EL DDR PC-3700 Dual Channel Gold 1GB Quad
EL DDR PC-3700 Dual Channel Gold
EL DDR PC-3500 Dual Channel Gold
Dual Channel Optimized DDR
EL DDR PC-2700 Dual Channel
Dual Channel Platinum
EL DDR PC-3500 Dual Channel Platinum
EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel Platinum
Platinum Edition
EL DDR PC-3500 Platinum Edition
EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Edition

When they say dual channel, is that the same as DS?
 

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The differences are listed on each product's page. Basically it's the timings that are different. Their "GOLD" series is their top of the line. You're not going to find any memory manufacturer that mentions SS or DS modules, it's like it's some big secret.

No, dual channel just means it's tested in dual channel configurations on dual channel mobo's and guaranteed to work in dual channel setups, so it's sold in the dual channel kit form of two or four sticks.
 

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I told you dude, get the OCZ PC4000 Dual Channel Gold for no price limit and for overclocking. Get the Geil PC4000 Ultra Platinum Dual Channel for the best BUY for O'clocking use. Get the OCZ PC3700 Gold Dual Channel for the best @stock speeds or O'clocking a 3.0-3.2ghz P4. You don't HAVE to get the "Dual Channel" Gold or Ultra Platinum, but it IS recommended for best stability since they are pre-tested.
 

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Computer,
Thanks for the reply,
the ocz s rated for 2.5, 3 .. etc will it run at 2,2,2,5 at stock clocks (400mhz) like Mushkin promo build claims to ? I'm not certain how much of an overclock I want \ need at this point I read your comments re: fsb and performance and I see this is the case with benchmarks on other sites but I got burned badly with a soyo p4s ultra board based on the sis 645 and kingston 2700 bga ram that won't oc at all or run with aggressive timings and I want to avoid that same situation this time, So I am currently looking at the promotional build mushkin with the BH-5 chips, the corsair and of course the ocz
 

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Hey Computer

I see your leaning too the OCZ ram

Im up in Eastern Canada and its tough getting the Corsair TwinX 3200LL , here in Ontario

I could order it from Western Canada , www.ncix.com or www.tigerdirect.ca
but the shipping would kill

OCZ seems to be much more readily available around my way ( Toronto ) , a few local retailers
can order it , which translates to better warranty, service etc

Is the OCZ ram that much different ( aggressive ) than the Corsair ??

Im not an Overclocker , but willing to learn

Im using a P4C 800 Deluxe and im still waiting to buy a P4 2.4 cpu


BTW

Can you list some of the reputable online PC parts sites
eg: www.newegg.com etc ,,,

I may price out some Ram ( in US dollars)
and see where the deals are

thanks

JP


 

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Originally posted by: Xeon
But he can't get the USB 2.0 to work. When he plugs anything into these USB ports the machine won't boot up, if he unplugs them, everything is fine. If you any of you were involved in this thread, could you post what you did again here to solve this problem?

Thanks and Happy o'clocking!

Your friend should read this thread at abxzone.com. It explains how you can make sure USB 2.0 is working. In the BIOS, USB 2.0 controller should be enabled and the mode set to HiSpeed.

 
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