*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[bubico]

I am here cuz I have a problem ( how original)

The board is doing fine all accellarations enabled ( overcloked 15% for 7 days) buuuuuut..............
My system boots like hell when there are 2HDD installed

I mean a really slow boot......8-9 secs till the IDE drives are displyed, then a black screen another 8-9 secs till the system boots.
I have done
- updated bios
- disabled promise controller
-disabled USB lehacy
- onbard network plugged in
- the system boots really fast with one HDD
I have tried all combos 2Masters , 1 Slave/Master , 2 Slaves ( I have also a DVD reader and a CD Burner)
When I put 1 HDD no matter in what IDE channel, no mater if its SLAVE or MASTER everyting is working fine.

But when I plug the second HDD the nightmare starts



I really could use any ideea
Thanks in advance

Here is my CPu-Z dump

CPU-Z Report

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CPU-Z version 1.19.


CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical)

CPU#1 APIC ID = 0
Cpu Name Intel Pentium 4
Code Name Northwood
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Family / Model / Stepping F 2 5
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 9
Package mPGA-478
Technology 0.13 µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
CPU Clock Speed 2639.7 MHz
Clock multiplier x 12.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 220.0 MHz
Bus Speed 879.9 MHz
L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2639.7 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 256 bits

CPU#2 APIC ID = 1
Cpu Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit)



Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
Motherboard model P4C800-E, Rev 1.xx
BIOS vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS revision 080009
BIOS release date 09/02/2003
Chipset Intel i875P rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2
Sensor chip Winbond W83627THF

AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0
AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x
AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled
AGP Aperture Size 128 MBytes



Memory
RAM Type DDR-SDRAM
RAM Size 1024 MBytes
RAM Frequency 220.0 MHz
CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 7 clocks
# of memory modules 2
Module 0 Infineon DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes
Module 1 Infineon DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes



Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows 2000 Workstation Service Pack 4 (Build 2195)

 

[computer]

Xeon, you mentioned you had board revision 2, where do you see that on the mobo? I was supposed to have received the quote "latest revision" and right under "P4C800-E Deluxe" in very tiny print is "Rev. 1.02" on my mobo. Can you please clarify what your mobo states there and if you indeed have this exact mobo?
Thanks.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Xeon, you mentioned you had board revision 2, where do you see that on the mobo? I was supposed to have received the quote "latest revision" and right under "P4C800-E Deluxe" in very tiny print is "Rev. 1.02" on my mobo. Can you please clarify what your mobo states there and if you indeed have this exact mobo?
Thanks.

It's right on the big sticker pasted on the motherboard between the PCI slots that says P4C800-E REV2 (Exactly like that) in large font, so yours isn't the same board.

Catch ya later.

 

[computer]

Thanks. Hmmm, I have no sticker there. The model # is silk-screened between the PCI slots and no sticker. (I errored earlier; it just says "P4C800-E" and no "Deluxe". The "Deluxe" is on a sticker on the printer port).

Well, I got it booted up and for the heck of it set the FSB to 250 & CPU to 1.565v and it booted ok, showed 3.01ghz. This is with a 2.4C. PAT activated and mode set to "Turbo". I noticed just as I expected, the chipset HS was BURNING up! Too hot to even touch! I put the FSB back to default/200mhz, and CPU volt back to default, and saved changes, exited, and now the SOB won't even boot! The video card is also about to melt! (It's just some cheap 4x S3 Savage I put on to make sure everything works). AGP/PCI is set to 66/33.

So....why won't the damn thing boot now? Why is the HS on the chipset so hot, is that normal? It can't be. How do you activate that C.R.P.? All the manual says is basically to reboot the PC for the parameter recall! If that's the case, then why not when you boot the PC every time does it not revert back to default CPU settings?

Also, where the heck is the CPU:memory ratio setting???? It's not in the manual and I can't find it in the BIOS.
Thanks.

[Later] I just tried again to boot it up and this time it booted up. The BIOS was all set back to default! What happened?

 

[computer]

BTW, the BIOS is 1009, that's what the mobo came with. Memory is Geil Ultra Platinum PC4000 2x256 DC kit. At stock speed the chipset HS is now MUCH cooler but still pretty warm.

Now it's "dead" again! It seems to not boot when PAT is activated, and everything else is default.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Thanks. Hmmm, I have no sticker there. The model # is silk-screened between the PCI slots and no sticker. (I errored earlier; it just says "P4C800-E" and no "Deluxe". The "Deluxe" is on a sticker on the printer port).

Well, I got it booted up and for the heck of it set the FSB to 250 & CPU to 1.565v and it booted ok, showed 3.01ghz. This is with a 2.4C. PAT activated and mode set to "Turbo". I noticed just as I expected, the chipset HS was BURNING up! Too hot to even touch! I put the FSB back to default/200mhz, and CPU volt back to default, and saved changes, exited, and now the SOB won't even boot! The video card is also about to melt! (It's just some cheap 4x S3 Savage I put on to make sure everything works). AGP/PCI is set to 66/33.

So....why won't the damn thing boot now? Why is the HS on the chipset so hot, is that normal? It can't be. How do you activate that C.R.P.? All the manual says is basically to reboot the PC for the parameter recall! If that's the case, then why not when you boot the PC every time does it not revert back to default CPU settings?

Also, where the heck is the CPU:memory ratio setting???? It's not in the manual and I can't find it in the BIOS.
Thanks.

[Later] I just tried again to boot it up and this time it booted up. The BIOS was all set back to default! What happened?

Wow I'm sorry to hear about all this trouble computer I would definately install the latest drivers and bios, try it again and see what happens. Set it to 30% + turbo first and see how she does.

When you say it's getting to hot, what temp are we talking about here? Mine runs a cool 33.6 C idle and about 39 C when loaded (playing UT 2003). These are actual temps taken from my probe and Hardcano 9 temp monitor. It generally shows temps about 7 degrees hotter than the Asus Probe shows, so if these temps are incorrect for some reason and the Asus Probe is actually telling the real truth then I'm running 7 degrees cooler than the temps I just stated above. This is with a Thermalright SP94 and a Tornado fan running about half throttle.

To top it off, these temps I just rattled off are with me running 30% overclocked at 3.2 Ghz with the same 2.4C processor.

I've seen the same issue you are with it not going back to default. All you have to do though is just go back into the Bios, Set it back to defaults and hit F10, reboot if you are so inclined to be sure it's good, then just do a few adjustments at a time save using F10 between them to make sure your ok, and then just continue tweaking setting one or two things at a time seems to have worked best for me.

What I find a little disturbing about what you've said here is that you don't have a sticker on the board. They all have them and if yours is missing it makes me think there is some funny business going on (removing stickers so you don't even know what the board is). I'll crack my case here in a bit and let you know what I see actually printed on the board. I suspect they all say the same thing regardless of what REV they are and the sticker is really what tells the truth. They do that because it saves them cost in making the new REV's.

Anyway, I'll let you know what I find there before the night is over.

Michael

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
BTW, the BIOS is 1009, that's what the mobo came with. Memory is Geil Ultra Platinum PC4000 2x256 DC kit. At stock speed the chipset HS is now MUCH cooler but still pretty warm.

Now it's "dead" again! It seems to not boot when PAT is activated, and everything else is default.

Wow!

Out of curiosity, what power supply are you running?

My HS is super cool, I can touch and not even feel heat at all, so I'm not sure what's going on there computer, I'm definately not having the same experience with the board and RAM I have. I'm running the OCZ PC4000 2x512 DDR if that matters.

You might want to just send that board back and buy from newegg. It's where I got my REV2 board and it's been flawless.

Michael

 

[Xeon]

Well, I cracked the case to see if I could see the actual printed on the board designation but it's covered by the sticker and I'm not going to pull it off to see whats underneath.

Sorry.

BTW, I didn't state exactly what my sticker says, I left off the .00 after the number 2 so here is the EXACT wording 'P4C800-E REV2.00'

Catch you later.

 

[computer]

There is NOTHING installed, no drives, nothing. Just the CPU, memory, and video card (and now a floppy to flash the BIOS if I can figure that crap out). I always do this first to be sure a mobo works, instead of installing it in a case with the periph's, etc. So, no drivers can be installed therefore no temperature measurements other than the BIOS. CPU was 103° @3.01ghz and 95.5° @2.65ghz. Board temp showed and still shows the same; 75-77°....all F of course, not centigrade. Still the stock HS pad on the retail HSF unit for now.

I put another video card on, an ATI Rage Fury Maxx to see if it was cooler and the SOB wouldn't even turn on! No fans, nothing, DEAD! So, I put a GeForce MX400 on it and it "liked it" and booted. Runs much cooler than the old S3, but still too hot to touch on the reverse side of card. The 875 North chipset HS is now cool and right now the CPU is at 2.65ghz, all voltages default.

PS is Fortron/Source, the top rated one by Tom's and Anandtech.

Whut da heck does this mean?
afudos /i<ROM filename> [/o<save ROM filename>]
I assume you leave out the < and >, but does the [ and ] stay in? Do you prefix the "i" and "o" right before the file name? Like:
afudos/iP4CED11.ROM[/oAnything?]
Is there any spaces in there? If 'anything' can't be used then what the hell is the name of old BIOS? oP4CED09? Do you put the extension? Man, do these jerks leave a lot out!! Their site has NOTHING about afudos, only aflash.

The model # on this mobo is between PCI slots 2 & 3 in the big bold gold letters and in very tiny letters below it, is Rev. 1.02.
Thanks Michael.
Clint

 

[computer]

I'd like to know how these revisions differ. I emailed Asus on the revisions, so IF they reply that should clear it up.

 

[computer]

What about the CPU:memory ratio, where is it in the BIOS?

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
There is NOTHING installed, no drives, nothing. Just the CPU, memory, and video card (and now a floppy to flash the BIOS if I can figure that crap out). I always do this first to be sure a mobo works, instead of installing it in a case with the periph's, etc. So, no drivers can be installed therefore no temperature measurements other than the BIOS. CPU was 103° @3.01ghz and 95.5° @2.65ghz. Board temp showed and still shows the same; 75-77°....all F of course, not centigrade. Still the stock HS pad on the retail HSF unit for now.

I put another video card on, an ATI Rage Fury Maxx to see if it was cooler and the SOB wouldn't even turn on! No fans, nothing, DEAD! So, I put a GeForce MX400 on it and it "liked it" and booted. Runs much cooler than the old S3, but still too hot to touch on the reverse side of card. The 875 North chipset HS is now cool and right now the CPU is at 2.65ghz, all voltages default.

PS is Fortron/Source, the top rated one by Tom's and Anandtech.

Whut da heck does this mean?
afudos /i<ROM filename> [/o<save ROM filename>]
I assume you leave out the < and >, but does the [ and ] stay in? Do you prefix the "i" and "o" right before the file name? Like:
afudos/iP4CED11.ROM[/oAnything?]
Is there any spaces in there? If 'anything' can't be used then what the hell is the name of old BIOS? oP4CED09? Do you put the extension? Man, do these jerks leave a lot out!! Their site has NOTHING about afudos, only aflash.

The model # on this mobo is between PCI slots 2 & 3 in the big bold gold letters and in very tiny letters below it, is Rev. 1.02.
Thanks Michael.
Clint

I see, well not having a cdrom drive attached makes this much more difficult than it has to be because the cd that comes with this motherboard has an updater that will update your bios via online and then you just reboot and your good to go. It also has all the drivers on this cd to make your life easy and it's why your not finding a lot of this info very easy online.

You can go here and it shows you how to do this stuff manually if your so inclined:

http://www.asus.com/support/english/techref/bios/index.aspx

It discusses the afudos and aflash utilities and how your suppose to manually rename the bios file.

BTW, my MB came with the 1010 bios as the default and with the updater it tells you all of the latest Bios's that are available and then you just pick it from the list, it downloads it, installs it and then asks you to reboot and your done. I'm currently running 1011.

See ya

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
What about the CPU:memory ratio, where is it in the BIOS?

In order to see the memory options you have to set the SPD to manual.

Catch you later.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
I'd like to know how these revisions differ. I emailed Asus on the revisions, so IF they reply that should clear it up.

Yes, I'd like to know now as well.

It's probably nothing and you could have the latest and greatest anyway.

Let me know what you find out.

 

[computer]

Here's an update. I flashed the BIOS ok, finally figured out the correct nomenclature.

I have PAT enabled and Turbo mode. Voltages are all set to default, but the CPU core is showing 1.6v! This is a 1.525v CPU! Why would it be showing such a high voltage?

I set overclocking to 30%, but mine shows 3.14ghz (3144mhz), how does yours show 3.2 if you're using a 2.4C as well?

875 chipset HS unit is cool. Evidently it hated that S3 Savage video card, as well as the Rage Fury Maxx. Anyone know why it wouldn't boot with the Maxx?

Still can't find the CPU:memory ratio setting. I have no idea what it's set on.

Now does anyone know of any DOS benchmarking programs or anything I can do in DOS to check stability? I'm not wasting my time setting up XP Pro if this thing is unstable, so I'd like to test it now.

I guess the FSB now is 262mhz, since it's running @3144mhz? (And DDR524 if the ratio is 1:1).

 

[computer]

In order to see the memory options you have to set the SPD to manual.

I don't have a "manual" setting, only disabled......I assume that's what you mean. It IS set to "disabled" and I see all the memory timings, but no CPU:memory ratio! (What is "MPS revision"? That's below the memory timings).

When set to 30% O'clocking, does the BIOS bump up the voltages? I wonder since you cannot manually set the voltages when it's set to 30%. If is does bump them, then to what?

Yeah I saw http://www.asus.com/support/english/techref/bios/index.aspx but it says nothing about AFUDOS.exe, that's only for aflash.exe, and they are completely different. I got no screen prompts AT ALL, NOTHING! It just stayed on the same screen and showed a %age for read, erase, write, and then said "done".

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
CPU was 103° @3.01ghz and 95.5° @2.65ghz. Board temp showed and still shows the same; 75-77°....all F of course, not centigrade. Still the stock HS pad on the retail HSF unit for now.Clint

I forgot to mention, these temps your seeing are a bit high compared to what I'm seeing.

Here are my temps in F. My cpu idle is 88 F and Loaded it's running up to 95 F or so. The motherboard is about 82 F. I have a huge advantage though with this Thermalright SP94 and Tornado so I was suspect that my temps would probably be running about what your seeing with stock HS and Fan.

What kind of temps were you expecting to see with this setup?

As long as you don't get over 130 F I wouldn't worry to much. Of course if your running it up that high I doubt your system will behaving very well LOL.

Anyway, just thought you might like to know.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Here's an update. I flashed the BIOS ok, finally figured out the correct nomenclature.

I have PAT enabled and Turbo mode. Voltages are all set to default, but the CPU core is showing 1.6v! This is a 1.525v CPU! Why would it be showing such a high voltage?

I set overclocking to 30%, but mine shows 3.14ghz (3144mhz), how does yours show 3.2 if you're using a 2.4C as well?

875 chipset HS unit is cool. Evidently it hated that S3 Savage video card, as well as the Rage Fury Maxx. Anyone know why it wouldn't boot with the Maxx?

Still can't find the CPU:memory ratio setting. I have no idea what it's set on.

Now does anyone know of any DOS benchmarking programs or anything I can do in DOS to check stability? I'm not wasting my time setting up XP Pro if this thing is unstable, so I'd like to test it now.

I guess the FSB now is 262mhz, since it's running @3144mhz? (And DDR524 if the ratio is 1:1).

Your all set then!

Mine is running 3.14 I just rounded it up. No biggy.

Well I suspect the reason your video wasn't behaving was because you didn't have up to date drivers running on either of those cards.

All that info on the memory stuff is in the manual, just glance through it and you'll find the section on how to set the memory timings manually.

Glad to see your getting it sorted out now!

Catch you later

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer

In order to see the memory options you have to set the SPD to manual.

I don't have a "manual" setting, only disabled......I assume that's what you mean. It IS set to "disabled" and I see all the memory timings, but no CPU:memory ratio! (What is "MPS revision"? That's below the memory timings).

When set to 30% O'clocking, does the BIOS bump up the voltages? I wonder since you cannot manually set the voltages when it's set to 30%. If is does bump them, then to what?

Yeah I saw http://www.asus.com/support/english/techref/bios/index.aspx but it says nothing about AFUDOS.exe, that's only for aflash.exe, and they are completely different. I got no screen prompts AT ALL, NOTHING! It just stayed on the same screen and showed a %age for read, erase, write, and then said "done".

Yes when you set it to 30% o'clocked it compensates automatically in the memory timings and voltages to allow it to run, essentially that's how they allow you to just select 30% instead of having to do everything manually with a lot of the other vendors BIOS. I thought it was a nice feature. It allowed me to essentially o'clock on the fly just to see how well it will work. I'll soon be messing with my memory timings and throttling this thing as high as I can get her doing it all manually.

Heck, at the pace your going you'll probably beat me to the punch. Let me know how it goes if you decide to start pumping this baby up manually and setting all your memory timings.

At any rate, it won't be long and we will have the manual timing peak settings figured out and then we will see who's memory is actually performing better and more stably.

See ya

 

[computer]

Right now going by the BIOS' Hardware monitoring the CPU is 104° and the board temp is 75°, CPU @3.14ghz. 104 is great for no heatsink compound and a retail HSF unit. That will go down when I put the PCM+ on. It's not in the case, it's just sitting on a box now.

Again, remember I can't load any drivers and drivers are irrelevant when no HD is connected!

Dude, I looked in the manual again on the pages regarding the memory timings and there is NOTHING in this manual about any CPU:memory ratio! What's going on here? :disgust:

What about: "When set to 30% O'clocking, does the BIOS bump up the voltages? I wonder since you cannot manually set the voltages when it's set to 30%. If is does bump them, then to what?"

Thanks for your help.

 

[computer]

I just opened the PDF file so I could search it, and I searched for "1:1" and found NOTHING! So it's not in the pdf manual either. In case you don't quite understand what I'm looking for, it's the FSB ratio between the CPU and memory. I can be 1:1, 3:2 or 5:4 I believe. At 1:1, the memory is running at the same bus as the CPU. At other settings, it's running slower. I want to set it to 1:1, but these specific settings can be found NOWHERE. I KNOW this board has the settings since others have discussed them in this thread.

 

[computer]

I found this from a previous page:

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Originally posted by: MikEHunT2
You are the lucky one!
I too have 1Gb OCZ PC4000 Gold memory, but if i use AI and goto 30%, my memory runs at 3:2 and hance only 173.5 Mhz ffs.
There is a way of doing this, but how the hell i dont know.
How do we change FSB manually?
How do i make sure ratio of 1:1 stays??
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You change the FSB (CPU External Frequency) manually by using the + and - keys on your keyboard. Setting the DRAM Frequency at 400 will give you a 1:1 ratio. Setting it at 320 gives you 5:4, etc.

=======END==============

So evidently when we are setting it to 30%, the memory is NOT running at full speed, it's only running like this guy's at about ~173mhz! I set that area to "manual" and set the FSB to 262 (which is the same as 30%) and the DDR area to "400" and it won't boot! As soon as I can get it to boot again (and have to once again reset the ENTIRE BIOS all over again!)......I'll try and bump the DDR voltage to see if it will boot then. I know it's not the CPU since it will do 3.14ghz when in the "30% O'clock mode".

Ok I tried again.....this time with the CPU settings on "manual" and set the FSB to 262mhz, DDR to "400", and DDR voltage to 2.85 and it's booting OK. I wonder when you set that DDR Frequency area to "Auto" what does that do? Is that 1:1 or 3:2? I'd appreciate it if someone can clear this up. (Looks like I'm going to have to do the Vdimm mod on this mobo if takes 2.85v just to boot, the Geil is spec'd to 2.95v. Who has done it and can you post the exact directions please?)

 

[DAVIDS]

Originally posted by: computer


Still can't find the CPU:memory ratio setting. I have no idea what it's set on.

Open DRAM Frequency. If it's set at 400, that's equal to 1:1 ratio. 320 is 5:4, etc.

Your temperatures are a bit high.

David

 

[computer]

Ok thanks. So what does "Auto" set it to? Was I correct in the assumption of 30% overclock setting the memory ratio to slower than 1:1?

 

[computer]

It was a PITA trying to format my Raptor. That WD "Lifeguard" sucks a vacuum. They have since v9. The WD360 isn't even on the list of HD's.

Every time I tried to dot and select "view technical data" the GUI disappeared and it went into some DOS screen "causality loop" of "page faults" for EVERY file on the floppy! I don't even know if it's formatted now, I try to boot to the Raptor and get "NTLDR is missing" and to "press cont-alt-del to restart". Is that normal for a Raptor and no OS installed yet? When I told it that XP would be used it asked "SP1 or later" (and I chose that option). That's rather senseless since "SP1 or later" is not on the XP CD! What difference does it make in DOS or POST whether an SP is installed or not? What difference does it make on the type of format it does? XP WITHOUT any SP is going to be installed FIRST, there is no other choice. (The HD is on SATA1 and shows as "IDE Master 3").

I should have just let the XP CD format it but it probably wouldn't have been able to even find the drive and/or ICH5 controller.