*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here's a weird one. My mobo has started beeping every so often when I play a game (about once per game of BF1942 Desert Combat, if that). No crashes and this setup is Prime95 stable for 10+ hours.

Any ideas?

Can't say I've experienced this but it might be just something going on with this particular game. Does it do it with any other games you play?

I'm a UT2003 and Quake III fan, which I play constantly but I haven't seen this problem with those games at all.

Do you use Norton SystemWorks4 or Norton Utilities? If not, you may want to consider purchasing it, they have a tool in there that I have found to be highly beneficial in keeping my system clean (even the registry), it's called One Button Checkup in SystemWorks4 Pro and this particular package fixes Windows XP bugs that are known problems within this OS (Norton WinDoctor). Anyway, it's just a thought, I've had really good success with this tool.

Hope you had a great Christmas!

Well, I clocked it back down to 202 and lowered the vcore and the beeps stopped.

I doubt any software solution would fix this. The mobo is beeping because it doesn't like how something is being over driven or volted. I'll try again with different voltage settings later.

Strange how it only did it once per game, though.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here's a weird one. My mobo has started beeping every so often when I play a game (about once per game of BF1942 Desert Combat, if that). No crashes and this setup is Prime95 stable for 10+ hours.

Any ideas?

Can't say I've experienced this but it might be just something going on with this particular game. Does it do it with any other games you play?

I'm a UT2003 and Quake III fan, which I play constantly but I haven't seen this problem with those games at all.

Do you use Norton SystemWorks4 or Norton Utilities? If not, you may want to consider purchasing it, they have a tool in there that I have found to be highly beneficial in keeping my system clean (even the registry), it's called One Button Checkup in SystemWorks4 Pro and this particular package fixes Windows XP bugs that are known problems within this OS (Norton WinDoctor). Anyway, it's just a thought, I've had really good success with this tool.

Hope you had a great Christmas!

Well, I clocked it back down to 202 and lowered the vcore and the beeps stopped.

I doubt any software solution would fix this. The mobo is beeping because it doesn't like how something is being over driven or volted. I'll try again with different voltage settings later.

Strange how it only did it once per game, though.

Yeah, that makes sense. It's also why I asked if you see the problem with any other games than the one in question. It's also why I use UT2003 benchmark on my system. It's found more instabilities on my box than even prime95 or Memtest86. There is something to be said for taxing the entire system with a game that can bring instabilities to the surface.

See ya.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here's a weird one. My mobo has started beeping every so often when I play a game (about once per game of BF1942 Desert Combat, if that). No crashes and this setup is Prime95 stable for 10+ hours.

Any ideas?

Can't say I've experienced this but it might be just something going on with this particular game. Does it do it with any other games you play?

I'm a UT2003 and Quake III fan, which I play constantly but I haven't seen this problem with those games at all.

Do you use Norton SystemWorks4 or Norton Utilities? If not, you may want to consider purchasing it, they have a tool in there that I have found to be highly beneficial in keeping my system clean (even the registry), it's called One Button Checkup in SystemWorks4 Pro and this particular package fixes Windows XP bugs that are known problems within this OS (Norton WinDoctor). Anyway, it's just a thought, I've had really good success with this tool.

Hope you had a great Christmas!

Well, I clocked it back down to 202 and lowered the vcore and the beeps stopped.

I doubt any software solution would fix this. The mobo is beeping because it doesn't like how something is being over driven or volted. I'll try again with different voltage settings later.

Strange how it only did it once per game, though.

Yeah, that makes sense. It's also why I asked if you see the problem with any other games than the one in question. It's also why I use UT2003 benchmark on my system. It's found more instabilities on my box than even prime95 or Memtest86. There is something to be said for taxing the entire system with a game that can bring instabilities to the surface.

See ya.

You're going to love this:

I had it beep on me again today. Just a single beep. This is while at default clock settings and again, while playing BF1942 Desert Combat mod.

I played some other games and never heard a beep. I clocked it back up to 3.6 and still, no beeps with othre games. Then, on an average, random game of BF1942 DC, it beeped again... just once.

There is no crash. No instability. Just a rare, very occational beep. And it NEVER did this before I hooked up an HP 2410xi all-in-one the GF's mom gave me for Xmas (it hooks up via USB).

I'm going to disconnect the HP and disable the software and test it again later.

The really bad news? I've got a nasty cold or flu with a wicked ear infection. So for now, the beep goes on.

 

[Xeon]

Ahh good, it sounds like you're on the right track!

Sorry to hear about the cold, I'm just now getting over the flu/bronchitis myself that I had for over 2.5 weeks. Worst part about it was my son had at the same time I did and I had to take care of him while running a 103 temp. Man I was miserable. I can't remember ever being that sick in my entire life. Thank God for inhalers and antibiotics.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon
Ahh good, it sounds like you're on the right track!

Sorry to hear about the cold, I'm just now getting over the flu/bronchitis myself that I had for over 2.5 weeks. Worst part about it was my son had at the same time I did and I had to take care of him while running a 103 temp. Man I was miserable. I can't remember ever being that sick in my entire life. Thank God for inhalers and antibiotics.

Thanks for the thoughts. I saw the doc today, he said it looked like a nasty bacterial infection and he gave me two antibiotic shots and believe it or not, I already feel better (my ass hurts, though)

OK, I found the energy to test with the new printer removed, and the software disabled. No dice. And a new developemnt: It beeped during Medal of Honor: AA. It beeped multiple times. And when it did, the button I was pushing on my keyboard lost contact: I was running forward and stopped dead with the beep. Letting go and pushing the up arrow got me running again as if nothing had happened... Really:

So then I remembered that I had set the Sample Rate for the Mouse at 200 in Device Manager recently for more fine control in games. So I tried two things. I set the AGPv to 1.6 on a whim when I restarted the machine after setting the sample rate back to 100. So far, no beeps.

WHY OH WHY didn't I try one thing at a time??? LOL

Oh well, I have a very strong feeling this mobo does not like a 200 sample rate on a PS/2 mouse (I haven't tried USB).

I'll try this for a few days, then set the AGPv back to 1.5 and see if it still works beep-free.

1.6v wont hurt anything, will it? I've heard of folks setting it to 1.7 with no trouble on this board... but that's just talk.

Say, do you have a Logitech optical mouse? Is your sample rate set to 200, or 100? Can you try setting it to 200 and see if it gives very occational mobo beeps during game play?

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Xeon
Ahh good, it sounds like you're on the right track!

Sorry to hear about the cold, I'm just now getting over the flu/bronchitis myself that I had for over 2.5 weeks. Worst part about it was my son had at the same time I did and I had to take care of him while running a 103 temp. Man I was miserable. I can't remember ever being that sick in my entire life. Thank God for inhalers and antibiotics.

Thanks for the thoughts. I saw the doc today, he said it looked like a nasty bacterial infection and he gave me two antibiotic shots and believe it or not, I already feel better (my ass hurts, though)

OK, I found the energy to test with the new printer removed, and the software disabled. No dice. And a new developemnt: It beeped during Medal of Honor: AA. It beeped multiple times. And when it did, the button I was pushing on my keyboard lost contact: I was running forward and stopped dead with the beep. Letting go and pushing the up arrow got me running again as if nothing had happened... Really:

So then I remembered that I had set the Sample Rate for the Mouse at 200 in Device Manager recently for more fine control in games. So I tried two things. I set the AGPv to 1.6 on a whim when I restarted the machine after setting the sample rate back to 100. So far, no beeps.

WHY OH WHY didn't I try one thing at a time??? LOL

Oh well, I have a very strong feeling this mobo does not like a 200 sample rate on a PS/2 mouse (I haven't tried USB).

I'll try this for a few days, then set the AGPv back to 1.5 and see if it still works beep-free.

1.6v wont hurt anything, will it? I've heard of folks setting it to 1.7 with no trouble on this board... but that's just talk.

Say, do you have a Logitech optical mouse? Is your sample rate set to 200, or 100? Can you try setting it to 200 and see if it gives very occational mobo beeps during game play?

I run a USB mouse so I won't be able to help you there.

As for the AGP voltage, 1.6 won't hurt a thing. What video card are you running? If it's an ATI 9800 then I would run 1.7 for sure. I run 1.6 for my older Nvidia Quadro4 400 so don't hesitate to set it to 1.6 if your running one of the newer ATI cards.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Xeon
Ahh good, it sounds like you're on the right track!

Sorry to hear about the cold, I'm just now getting over the flu/bronchitis myself that I had for over 2.5 weeks. Worst part about it was my son had at the same time I did and I had to take care of him while running a 103 temp. Man I was miserable. I can't remember ever being that sick in my entire life. Thank God for inhalers and antibiotics.

Thanks for the thoughts. I saw the doc today, he said it looked like a nasty bacterial infection and he gave me two antibiotic shots and believe it or not, I already feel better (my ass hurts, though)

OK, I found the energy to test with the new printer removed, and the software disabled. No dice. And a new developemnt: It beeped during Medal of Honor: AA. It beeped multiple times. And when it did, the button I was pushing on my keyboard lost contact: I was running forward and stopped dead with the beep. Letting go and pushing the up arrow got me running again as if nothing had happened... Really:

So then I remembered that I had set the Sample Rate for the Mouse at 200 in Device Manager recently for more fine control in games. So I tried two things. I set the AGPv to 1.6 on a whim when I restarted the machine after setting the sample rate back to 100. So far, no beeps.

WHY OH WHY didn't I try one thing at a time??? LOL

Oh well, I have a very strong feeling this mobo does not like a 200 sample rate on a PS/2 mouse (I haven't tried USB).

I'll try this for a few days, then set the AGPv back to 1.5 and see if it still works beep-free.

1.6v wont hurt anything, will it? I've heard of folks setting it to 1.7 with no trouble on this board... but that's just talk.

Say, do you have a Logitech optical mouse? Is your sample rate set to 200, or 100? Can you try setting it to 200 and see if it gives very occational mobo beeps during game play?

I run a USB mouse so I won't be able to help you there.

As for the AGP voltage, 1.6 won't hurt a thing. What video card are you running? If it's an ATI 9800 then I would run 1.7 for sure. I run 1.6 for my older Nvidia Quadro4 400 so don't hesitate to set it to 1.6 if your running one of the newer ATI cards.

Did it come with a PS/2 adapter? Most do. I just want someone to game with an optical PS/2 mouse at a sample rate of 200 and buffer of 100 to see if we can replicate the beep on another mobo.

I had a sleepless night last night so I dropped the AGPv back to 1.5 and did a bunch of gaming... no beep. It was the mouse Sample Rate at 200 that was doing it, I think.

BTW, I have a 5900nu. So 1.6v isn't bad, huh? Will 1.6 or 1.7 help with higher OCs on the GPU and memory?

Well, I guess my next experiment is to try the Sample Rate at 200, but increase the buffer from 100 to 200 or 300 and see what happens.

 

[Amused]

Well, increasing the buffer did not stop the beeps. So, this mobo for some reason will beep if you set the sample rate to 200, but will not beep if it is at 100. And only when gaming.

I should try this with another mouse. Right now I'm using a Logitech MX500. Maybe I'll try my old Logitech ball mouse at 200 and see if it gives me fits. Maybe the MX500 is too much draw on the PS/2 port?

I wish someone else would test this issue on their P4C800-E

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Amused
Well, increasing the buffer did not stop the beeps. So, this mobo for some reason will beep if you set the sample rate to 200, but will not beep if it is at 100. And only when gaming.

I should try this with another mouse. Right now I'm using a Logitech MX500. Maybe I'll try my old Logitech ball mouse at 200 and see if it gives me fits. Maybe the MX500 is too much draw on the PS/2 port?

I wish someone else would test this issue on their P4C800-E

I see no place to set my sample rate otherwise I'd test this for you.

Looks like you have it nailed down though. Maybe it's just your MX500 that's the issue. Do you have another mouse to test against?

See ya.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: Amused
Well, increasing the buffer did not stop the beeps. So, this mobo for some reason will beep if you set the sample rate to 200, but will not beep if it is at 100. And only when gaming.

I should try this with another mouse. Right now I'm using a Logitech MX500. Maybe I'll try my old Logitech ball mouse at 200 and see if it gives me fits. Maybe the MX500 is too much draw on the PS/2 port?

I wish someone else would test this issue on their P4C800-E

I see no place to set my sample rate otherwise I'd test this for you.

Looks like you have it nailed down though. Maybe it's just your MX500 that's the issue. Do you have another mouse to test against?

See ya.

Sample Rate is adjusted under Device Manager > Mouse > Rightclick on the mouse and select "Properties" then click the "Advanced" tab.

Though, it may not be there for USB Mice.

Yeah, I'm a bit spent right now. But later I'll try it with my old Logitech MouseMan Wheel.

 

[Xeon]

USB mouse doesn't have this option.

See ya,

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Xeon
USB mouse doesn't have this option.

See ya,

Yeah, I just found that out myself. I just switched from Ps/2 to USB and looked for it, but it wasn't there. I guess the sample rate for USB mice is either hardware controlled, and/or not changable.

The mouse seems to run smoother on the USB, so I'm going to try it for a while. Ran a few games and no beeps or lag. That's a good thing

 

[VaG]

I purchased a P4C800-E Deluxe and a Pentium 2.6c and the board would not post out of the box with my Mushkin PC3200 Level II 222 black memory pulled from my previous GA-8INXP. It took me a couple days of messing around until I tried an old stick of PC2700 which brought the board to life. I'm up and running with the PC2700 and I have tried to reinstall the PC3200 and the board still won't post and when I revert back to the PC2700 I get the message that the previous attempt failed due to overclocking (even though I'm using the default setting). Can a knowledge person give me some insight?

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: VaG
I purchased a P4C800-E Deluxe and a Pentium 2.6c and it will not even post at default settings with my Muskin PC3200 Level II black memory pulled from my old board. It took me a couple days of messing around to try an old stick of PC2700 until the board came to life. I thought I knew something about computers until this happened. Can a knowledge person give me some insight?

When you say default settings, what were the settings set to? Are you running manual timings and FSB or are you running with everything set to Auto and using the Asus % overclock settings?

What was the Level II running at in the other machine. If it was running at it's Spec'd timings and you had no problems with it (and still don't), I suspect that it might be your cpu that's the issue. Some silicon is better than others and it could be that you just have a cpu that's not as good as the one you were running this RAM with before.

Without further details, this is just speculation.

 

[VaG]

Thanks for the help Xeon. When I said default, I meant the settings right out of the box with everything set on auto & no ASUS overclock %. I have never been able to even see anything on the screen with the level II. My old setup was the Gigabyte GA-8inxp with a 2.4b. I had FSB settings at 150 and the memory was running at 300MHz. I was never able to get it beyond that.
AI [standard]
Performance [auto]
DRAM by SPD [enabled] auto, auto, auto

My current setup is:
2.6c
P4C800-E Deluxe BIOS1014
Radeon 9500 pro with a part # xxx-xxxxx-00 (which is noted in the manual that it should be xxx-xxxxx-30 or higher for overclocking stability) but I haven't tried to overclock and have also tried a different video card.)
2x256 Mushkin PC3200 Level II (I have tried posting with each 256 stick individually)
Antec 430W truepower

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: VaG
Thanks for the help Xeon. When I said default, I meant the settings right out of the box with everything set on auto & no ASUS overclock %. I have never been able to even see anything on the screen with the level II. My old setup was the Gigabyte GA-8inxp with a 2.4b. I had FSB settings at 150 and the memory was running at 300MHz. I was never able to get it beyond that.
AI [standard]
Performance [auto]
DRAM by SPD [enabled] auto, auto, auto

My current setup is:
2.6c
P4C800-E Deluxe BIOS1014
Radeon 9500 pro with a part # xxx-xxxxx-00 (which is noted in the manual that it should be xxx-xxxxx-30 or higher for overclocking stability) but I haven't tried to overclock and have also tried a different video card.)
2x256 Mushkin PC3200 Level II (I have tried posting with each 256 stick individually)
Antec 430W truepower

Here is what I would set in the BIOS:

Advanced Tab --> Chipset:
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD. . . . . .[Disabled]
DRAM CAS# Latency . . . . . . . .2
DRAM RAS# Precharge . . . . . . 3
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay. . . 3
DRAM Precharge Delay. . . . . . .7
DRAM Burst Length. . . . . . . . . 8

Performance Acceleration Mode. . . . . .[Auto]

Put everything else to defaults except for your Graphics Aperture Size, set this to the max Value of your Video Card (i.e. 128 or 256 etc.)

Advanced Tab --> JumperFree:
AI Overclock. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . .[Manual]
CPU External Frequency (Mhz). . . [200]
DRAM Frequency. . . . . . . . . . . . . . [400]
AGP/PCI Frequency (Mhz). . . . . . . [66.66/33.33] (This is critical to set, so that you lock down the Frequency)

CPU VCore Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . [1.6]
DDR Reference Voltage. . . . . . . . . [2.85V]
AGP VDDQ Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . .[1.7] (For the 9500 I'd use either 1.6 or 1.7)

Performance Mode. . . . . . . . . . . . .[Auto] (to start with I'd leave this to Auto and once you determine that your stable, then change it to see if it works for you.)

You should also disable USB Legacy support and only use PS/2 mouse and a non USB keyboard to start with. Once you get everything up and running and test your stability with MemTest86 and Prime95, then you can start tweaking these settings. Remember, if your going to overclock you want to start by keeping your memory timings loose and push the FSB as high as it will go and remain stable, then and only then should you start tightening your memory timings.

Let us know if this still won't post for you and we'll try to determine what else you might be able to do to get this working. There are a bunch of people here that run these same sticks of RAM so it's not a specific problem with this RAM/MB combo.

Hope this helps.

 

[VaG]

Thanks again Xeon. That got me up and running with the PC3200. I guess the part I'm having a hard time understanding is that since the board will not post or show anything on the display with the PC3200 if the bios revert back to default due to overclocking I will have to have spare memory lying around just so that I can get into the bios to change the settings so that it will post with the PC3200.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: VaG
Thanks again Xeon. That got me up and running with the PC3200. I guess the part I'm having a hard time understanding is that since the board will not post or show anything on the display with the PC3200 if the bios revert back to default due to overclocking I will have to have spare memory lying around just so that I can get into the bios to change the settings so that it will post with the PC3200.

Actually you don't need another set of RAM. All you have to do when this happens is reboot, sometimes a couple of times, and you'll be able to get in the BIOS to reset your settings. It's a pain but it's not that bad once you understand that's how it works. It does force you to reset to default settings but just keep notes of your settings and only change one thing at a time so you know what caused the NO POST issue. I've had to hard shutdown the machine when I change something that causes it to not post sometimes, but you learn real quick what settings cause this and you avoid them and you can always get back to it posting when you reboot it a couple of times.

I would just concentrate on getting the highest FSB that you can which stays stable (passes Memtest86 at least) and then start changing memory timings one setting at a time until you find what works and what doesn't. It's a slow process but you'll eventually hit this machines sweet spot.

Hope this helps,

 

[brianboru]

Could someone help me out a bit with a RAM choice? I'm picking up this board sometime later this week, but was looking around for some RAM for it.

This Kingston PC3700 is on sale at newegg for cheaper than this Kingston PC3500
The prices are even "backwards" on Kingston's website.

The 3700 is 3-4-4-8-1 and the 3500 is 2-3-3-7-1 I guess I've been out of it a while, so I'm not really sure how important these timings are. Sounds like the 3500 is cas2, and the 3700 is cas3, right?

I was going to just pick up some normal PC3200 as I don't plan to overclock. Will be running either a 2.4c or 3c P4. But this stuff looks like a good deal. Any input? Am I missing something?

Thx.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: brianboru
Could someone help me out a bit with a RAM choice? I'm picking up this board sometime later this week, but was looking around for some RAM for it.

This Kingston PC3700 is on sale at newegg for cheaper than this Kingston PC3500
The prices are even "backwards" on Kingston's website.

The 3700 is 3-4-4-8-1 and the 3500 is 2-3-3-7-1 I guess I've been out of it a while, so I'm not really sure how important these timings are. Sounds like the 3500 is cas2, and the 3700 is cas3, right?

I was going to just pick up some normal PC3200 as I don't plan to overclock. Will be running either a 2.4c or 3c P4. But this stuff looks like a good deal. Any input? Am I missing something?

Thx.

Yep, you got it right, the 3700 is CAS 3 and the 3500 is CAS 2. Both of these are good sets of RAM and are pretty reliable, but they aren't the best overclockers.

As for which to choose, I'd go for the 3700 if you decide on the 3 Ghz cpu and would go with either one if you go with the 2.4C. This is only my recommendation if you are set on buying this particular brand of RAM. I personally would go with OCZ PC-4000 (2.5-4-4-7) or 4200EL if you can afford it and I would definately go with the 2.4C as it will save you a bunch of money and it's a better overclocking cpu. It will also allow you to spend more on the RAM if you go with the 2.4C and will allow you to go with just about any RAM you want and it will clock real well.

If you want to run 1:1 the OCZ PC-4200EL can't be beat and the PC-4000 GOLD would be my next choice, which btw is what I run and I'm able to get a solid 279 FSB running the 2.4C@3.4Ghz.

Since you stated you don't want to overclock then you might be better off going with the 3.0cpu and just get the best CAS 2.5 you can buy. It will give you solid stable performance without having to do much of anything.

Hope this helps.

 

[Gabornski]

Would like some advice please. Looking at using this board with a 2.6 since only $8 more than 2.4. Suggestions for best memory. No plans to overclock (at least in near future). At first was thinking of the dual channel 1 gb ocz platinum 3500 but getting harder to find and prices are going up since they don't make it anymore. Looking for other options and is 1gb really needed?

Thanks

 

[Jack4KickAss]

I would liked to know why is a 8T burst length better than 4T. I have changed it on my rig but don't get any preformance difference.

Is it more stable ? Had no problems with stability.

Also would like to know why 1.6 to 1.7 V is recommended on the AGP slot ?

Thanks in advance.

 

[VaG]

I ran memtest with the settings Xeon provided me above on a matched pair of mushkin 3200 Level II 256mb x2 and eventually stopped it after 45 mins. and 19,000 + errors. I removed one of the sticks and ran the test again and it produced a couple thousand errors within 2 mins. I replaced it with the other stick and the test has been running for about an hour without any errors so far. I'm lacking knowledge in the memory timing area and am assuming these are within spec for this ram and was wondering if this is attributed to 1 bad stick. I purchased the memory a number of months ago and never even tried to run it at 3200 I have no I idea what Mushkin policy is on this.

 

[jeffason]

Hi, I just got this board up and running in my machine which had previously been using the asus p4b533-e motherboard.. I have 1 primary IDE hard drive hooked up as primary master and 2 cd drives(writer and dvd) hooked up as secondary master and slave, respectively. Well everything was working fine on my old model motherboard, I change out the board and boot up and it seems ok. But when I reboot my secondary slave disapears(bios rev. 1014). Then I'll reboot again and it reappears(both in windows and bios).. So I was like hmm maybe its a bios problem because my pc speaker stopped beeping when I upgraded to bios rev. 1014, so I reverted to bios rev. 1011. Now neither windows or the bios detects my secondary slave.

Please help me out if you can.. Im thinking about reverting to the original bios to see how it acts but I'm tired of resetting all my settings. Thanks in advance!

***EDIT***

On bios revision 1011 I remedied this problem by just changing the jumpers to cable select.. even though both were previously set to master/slave correctly.

 

[Jack4KickAss]

Check your ide configuration. Which OS are you using ?

Recommended setup is SATA. Only goto P-ATA, P-ATA+S-ATA if you have Windows 98. ( Wiindows 98 also not to be in enhanced mode )

Also check your Detect time. Might be too short.

Had the same problem, but after I lengthed to detect time, it seems to be fixed. Did not happen again.