*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[jhites]

Originally posted by: computer
Since you already have the P4C800, I'd go with the Abit so you can compare them. I may end up getting the IC7-G, it was one of 3 boards I was looking at when I got my 800-E Deluxe. It's an awesome top-notch hi-end mobo.

I would also get an IC7 if I were going to put together a 2nd system. Like computer said 'Just to compare'.

 

[Crashman]

The Abit IS7 is an awesome, top-notch, high-end board, at a moderate price. I can't see paying over $150 for a motherboard when one of the best cost less than $100.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: jcpiercy
Hi Xeon and Gang

Im building another computer , and wanted your opinions on the Mobo Choice
P4C800 E ver or Abit board IC7-MAX3

Im leaning towards the Asus , due to the great support here (Xeon Jhites Computer )
But willing to listen to the voice of experience

JP

sittin inside cause its
-25 celscius ( metric)
-13 farenheit
outside

Heya JP, ltns!

I'd go with an Abit board as well. If it were me, I'd choose the IC7-G or the Max3 with the Max3 leading the decision.

Hope this helps!

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Erik, from the experience I just had (if you read above), I'd say go with Geil PC4000 Ultra Platinum, then RMA it to Geil and ask for a hand picked set!! What I have is the fastest memory I've ever seen up until a month ago when I stopped looking. Maybe something is out there now that is faster than DDR562. I mentioned above, the fastest memory I previously have seen was the new OCZ 4200EL which would do DDR560. My Geil was MUCH cheaper than the OCZ, I don't know what it is now, but I paid about $153 for my 2 x 256mb kit.

Are you sure that # is correct? Looks like one too many "2"s. Should be BX80532PG2400DSL6WR. You don't know what you have? That's a 2.4ghz 800mhz bus (which is really 200mhz FSB). AKA, 2.4C, same as I have. What memory you get depends on how much the CPU will overclock. If you have any decent memory now you can test, put in on the mobo at 3:2 and 5:4 (that's "320" and "266" in the BIOS for the CPU/memory ratio) and see how high the CPU can go. If you can only get 3ghz out of it (which is 250mhz bus), then you don't want the Geil PC4000 UP and certainly not the Geil PC4200 since they are very low performers at DDR500/250mhz bus. You'd want the Mushkin Level II PC3500 or OCZ 3700 Gold. The Geil only starts to really perform at about DDR525 on up until it max's out. This is assuming you don't get a crappy set like I first did which would only do DDR510 (255mhz bus)! Check the links I posted again a few days ago on the memory reviews. You can easily see which is the best for a given CPU bus speed.

Here's what I posted:
Actually, @DDR400 the Mushkin Level II is still the best, so it would be best for CPU's 3ghz+ since you can't get high bus speeds with them. Remember, with CPU's 3ghz & over you can't run as high of a bus speed to you're better off with slower memory. I checked those memory review links again....Link. If you're ONLY able to run DDR500 speeds, then the OCZ 3700 Gold is best, followed by Corsair XMS4000, Link (note that where the OCZ 4200 is listed first there, that's at DDR533 and it's lower down below some others at DDR500). If you have a 2.4C CPU that will really O'clock well (or any CPU) that will do DDR533 or above, the OCZ 4200EL is tops, Link .

Again though, like I said you may have to return any memory you get for a better set. That seems to be happening a lot to us on this thread. Even if you got the OCZ 4200EL (or any brand/model), you could end up with a set that will only do it's spec'd speed and if that happens you've gotten ripped. I just really lucked out the 2nd time around and got a screamer of a pair of Geil PC4000 UP. And again, it's doing those DDR562 speeds at 2.5-4-4-7 which is pretty unheard of especially since the OCZ 4200EL had to be raised to CAS 3 for it to get DDR560. Mine may even do lower than what I have it set to, I haven't tried to lower the timings any yet, they are still set to its default timings.

Well computer all I can say is, IT'S ABOUT FRICKEN TIME YOU GOT THAT MACHINE OF YOURS RUNNING RIGHT !!! LOL!

I'm glad you finally got it working like it's suppose to bro!

And again, it's doing those DDR562 speeds at 2.5-4-4-7 which is pretty unheard of especially since the OCZ 4200EL had to be raised to CAS 3 for it to get DDR560.

Actually computer this isn't unheard of at all. In fact, most of the GOOD memory manufacturers PC-4000 and especially the PC-4200EL do those speeds quite regularly running a 2.4C. Just check around all the forums and you'll see what I mean. The set of PC-4000 I have in my box right now does DDR570 at 2.5-4-4-7, BUT and yes there is a but here, When I ran UT2003 Benchmark and Prime95 (it passed MemTest-86 just fine) it showed some instability so I backed it down to DDR558 and it's ROCK solid there ever since. I haven't messed with trying to get to go any higher since then but I'm sure I could squeeze some more out if it and have it stay stable. My slowest sticks of OCZ PC-4000 will do DDR530 all day long and that's the rating of the PC-4200, without running any motherboard mods and fluctuating VCore LMAO!

Have you run Prime95 and UT2003 benchmark on your box yet computer?

At any rate, most of the primary memory manufacturers RAM do these kinds of speeds (referring to PC-4000 and 4200), so people can really just choose the RAM manufacturer, they like out of the top review/benchmark articles that are out there, find the ones that show consistency for most people, and you won't go wrong, whether it's Corsair, OCZ or Geil etc. As was already mentioned, if you end up having a problem with the RAM you choose, just send it back to the Maker and get some hand picked sets that do what you expect.

The 2.4C and this motherboard, LOVE fast RAM, so if anyone has this setup, go get some!!

Maybe I'll try the droop mod and see how this thing I have does with a more stable VCore. I've been reading a lot of good things about the mod from a number of forums, so I'm sure it will do much better than in my previous attempts at clocking this box upwards. I'll give that a try in a few weeks after I get my Radio Controlled Helicopter built and in the air. Right now I'm having to much fun doing that instead.

Catch you all later and have fun no matter what!

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Crashman
The Abit IS7 is an awesome, top-notch, high-end board, at a moderate price. I can't see paying over $150 for a motherboard when one of the best cost less than $100.

Yeah I've heard a lot of people swearing by this board, but I've never owned one myself.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: E-T00L
What kind of speed can I expect from OCZ PC-4000 Gold? This is probally going to be the most I can afford on memory since the 4200 is quite alot more. Or would I be better off going with the Geil 4200? Also below is the full listing of the sticker on my box. I hope someone can help id it. Also about the Asus AI Voice thing, I called Asus tech support and they said it only works on the onboard sound.

Prod Code : BX80532PG22400DSL6WR
MM# 852646
FPO/Batch # 5329A651
Version # c30463-007
Pack Date 11/20/03

Well you can certainly expect the OCZ PC-4000 to do what it's rated at (DDR500), but I've found that all their RAM clocks much higher than it's rated. I have 8 sticks here and my lowest performing OCZ PC-4000 does DDR530 no problems. Just remember, if you think it's not doing as well as it should, send it back to OCZ and they'll hand pick a set that will do well over what it's rated.

As for your cpu, if you don't have the actual plastic wrapping (I think that's where mine was also printed), you will have to pull your HS off and actually look on the cpu to see where it was made. You might be able to give the data above to Intel and they could tell you where it was made from just the numbers however, but I couldn't tell you for sure.

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: E-T00L
What kind of speed can I expect from OCZ PC-4000 Gold? This is probally going to be the most I can afford on memory since the 4200 is quite alot more. Or would I be better off going with the Geil 4200? Also below is the full listing of the sticker on my box. I hope someone can help id it. Also about the Asus AI Voice thing, I called Asus tech support and they said it only works on the onboard sound.

Prod Code : BX80532PG22400DSL6WR
MM# 852646
FPO/Batch # 5329A651
Version # c30463-007
Pack Date 11/20/03

I don't think that I have ever seen anyone post that they had a chip from the plant in Shangai, China. Anyway, the FPO/Batch is how you id the cpu.
(5) First letter = plant = Shangai, China
(3) Next = Year = 2003
(29) Next Two = Week = 29
(A651) Next Four = Tracability Number
(-xxxx) Next Four = Serialization Code
You did not list the last four digits for the FPO/Batch as you most likely took the numbers from the box and not the cpu. From the product code, the SL6WR sSpec shows that it is a:
D1 Core Stepping with a thermal spec of 74*C @ 1.525vcore

I have been looking for one of the new MO Core Stepping chips. They have the multi-vid of 1.425vcore and have been hitting 3.6-4.X Ghz at default voltage.

 

[computer]

The Abit IS7 is an awesome, top-notch, high-end board, at a moderate price. I can't see paying over $150 for a motherboard when one of the best cost less than $100.

Definitely. That's got to be the best deal on a P4 mobo right now. It smokes and the one to go with if you want the best "deal" and no CSA LAN.

 

[computer]

As for your cpu, if you don't have the actual plastic wrapping (I think that's where mine was also printed), you will have to pull your HS off and actually look on the cpu to see where it was made. You might be able to give the data above to Intel and they could tell you where it was made from just the numbers however, but I couldn't tell you for sure.

It should say on the label on the retail box.

John I was not aware of that FPO Batch code breakdown. So, I guess his CPU really is China. My code is L323A715, and also on the label is "Malaysia". Where is the link for breaking these codes down please?

 

[computer]

Michael I haven't hooked any drives up to it yet, it's still laying out on my bench top. I'll probably hook the drives up & install XP Pro tonight.

I never checked any forums for what kind of DDR speeds users are getting, I only checked review sites and from them DDR560 was the highest I've seen so far. Mine may do more than DDR562 at least boot wise, but I didn't check it since any higher than that gave Memtest errors, so there wasn't really any point since I'm not going to run it at a speed that yields errors.

 

[jhites]

This is the information on reading the FPO/Batch:

1st letter or digit=plant code
0=San Jose,Costa Rica
3=..............,Costa Rica
1=Cavite,Philippines
R=Manila,Philippines
7=..........,Philippines
9=Penang,Malaysia
Q=...........,Malaysia
L=............,Malaysia
8=Leixlip,Ireland
Y=Leixlip,Ireland
6=Chandler,Arizona
5=Shangai China

Example: L149A463-0726

L=plant (Malay)

2nd digit=Year of production (2001)

3rd & 4th digits=week (49th week )

(A463)=Traceability Number

(0726)=Serialization Code


sSpec Finder is here.

 

[computer]

Arizona???? I never knew that. I wonder how good those are.

That Intel link is bad, but what you posted is what I needed to know, thanks.

 

[computer]

The link is OK now, I was getting an "internal server error".

 

[E-T00L]

Cool, I my FPO/BATCH # is 5329A651 so that was made in China like I thought the chip said.The 29th week would put it around June or so that it was manufactured.Im also kind of in a toss up in regards on to which ram to order. Its either gonna be the OCZ 4000 Gold or the Geil 4000 Platinum. What about the Geil 4200 stuff? Anyone use any of that stuff? Also whats the highest anyones overclocked one from the China batch? Also the box said the max voltage is 1.525, I heard that that number has alot to do with your topping out on overclocking.

 

[computer]

Personally I'm not familiar with any Chinese CPU's.....it will probably SPAM YOU!!! LMAO!!!!

Like I said before, you first need to find out what your CPU will do, then you'll know about the memory. The Geil 4200 is only CAS3 which means if your CPU won't overclock much, you're going to have some bad performance not only because it's CAS3, but because of also like I said the Geil not performing very well until it's O'clocked. If you can't test your CPU now, and want to be on the safe side, get the OCZ 3700 or Mushkin PC3500 Level II which are the best to about DDR500 (3ghz CPU speed @ 1:1), check the review links again to be sure. That memory max'd out at a maybe lower CPU speed, will do better than faster memory (like 4000 or 4200) underclocked at a faster CPU speed. Of course if your CPU is a screamer, you can run a 3:2 or 5:4 CPU to memory ratio with the OCZ 3700 or Mushkin 3500 if they won't do 1:1, but you'll loose performance there unless your CPU will do maybe 3.5ghz or so.

 

[rpr]

OK guys, I think I am sending the Kingston HyperX back to ZipZoomFly. However, since they don't offer Geil or OCZ, I'll be eating the 15% re-stocking fee.

So I'll probably be ordering a replacement from NewEgg. In any case, my question is, would I be better of with:

1) Geil PC4000 Platinum (2.5, 7, 4, 4 T1) for $135
2) Geil PC4200 Ultra Platinum (3, 8, 4, 4) for $145

Not sure what the "T1" is on the PC4000 timings, but that's how they list it.

FWIW: My 2.4c CPU seems to be limited to 3.2Ghz (265x12). So I'm leaning towards the PC4200 since that should allow me to run 3.2Ghz at 1:1. However, that is only at the most relaxed timings (3, 8, 4, 4).

So I guess it comes down to, is it a fairly safe bet to assume that the Geil PC4000 will overclock to 265Mhz (530Mhz DDR) at the stock CAS 2.5 timings withhout any board mods??? If so, that's my best choice! Otherwise, I'll be underclocking the Geil PC4200. Right?

 

[ScottFern]

I have a P4C800 deluxe mobo and a 2.8Ghz(C) and I have an ATI All in Wonder 9800 Pro. I have 2 issues with this card.


1) I can't overclock the CPU to ANYTHING above 2.8Ghz because I am convinced it messes with my All In Wonder Card. I get video corruptions and lock ups.

2) Whenever I do a cold boot, I get the bios display but after it goes into windows, I lose my video signal ???? Someone suggested a bios update, something to do with AGP 8X not being intialized correctly ???


My PSU is a True Silent 420W, and I have fast write turned off in the ATI control panel.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: jhites

Originally posted by: E-T00L
What kind of speed can I expect from OCZ PC-4000 Gold? This is probally going to be the most I can afford on memory since the 4200 is quite alot more. Or would I be better off going with the Geil 4200? Also below is the full listing of the sticker on my box. I hope someone can help id it. Also about the Asus AI Voice thing, I called Asus tech support and they said it only works on the onboard sound.

Prod Code : BX80532PG22400DSL6WR
MM# 852646
FPO/Batch # 5329A651
Version # c30463-007
Pack Date 11/20/03

I don't think that I have ever seen anyone post that they had a chip from the plant in Shangai, China. Anyway, the FPO/Batch is how you id the cpu.
(5) First letter = plant = Shangai, China
(3) Next = Year = 2003
(29) Next Two = Week = 29
(A651) Next Four = Tracability Number
(-xxxx) Next Four = Serialization Code
You did not list the last four digits for the FPO/Batch as you most likely took the numbers from the box and not the cpu. From the product code, the SL6WR sSpec shows that it is a:
D1 Core Stepping with a thermal spec of 74*C @ 1.525vcore

I have been looking for one of the new MO Core Stepping chips. They have the multi-vid of 1.425vcore and have been hitting 3.6-4.X Ghz at default voltage.

Excellent! This is good stuff jhites!

Here's my data FPO/BATCH: Q320A351

Thanks for the numbers and the Link!!

I wonder if that website will state where I was manufactured

See ya,

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
I have a P4C800 deluxe mobo and a 2.8Ghz(C) and I have an ATI All in Wonder 9800 Pro. I have 2 issues with this card.
1) I can't overclock the CPU to ANYTHING above 2.8Ghz because I am convinced it messes with my All In Wonder Card. I get video corruptions and lock ups.
2) Whenever I do a cold boot, I get the bios display but after it goes into windows, I lose my video signal ???? Someone suggested a bios update, something to do with AGP 8X not being intialized correctly ???
My PSU is a True Silent 420W, and I have fast write turned off in the ATI control panel.

Your card is most likely fine. as many have thought they had a problem to find out they did not. Set your vagp to 1.7v and set the agp/pci lock to 66/33 then reboot. You should be ok with the ATI Catalyst Drivers but I prefer the Omega Drivers. The Omega drivers are just modded a bit and give more control and a few tweeks. You can get the Omega drivers here.....

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: E-T00L
Cool, I my FPO/BATCH # is 5329A651 so that was made in China like I thought the chip said.The 29th week would put it around June or so that it was manufactured.Im also kind of in a toss up in regards on to which ram to order. Its either gonna be the OCZ 4000 Gold or the Geil 4000 Platinum. What about the Geil 4200 stuff? Anyone use any of that stuff? Also whats the highest anyones overclocked one from the China batch? Also the box said the max voltage is 1.525, I heard that that number has alot to do with your topping out on overclocking.

Well I think you know, which of the RAM I'd order, but in either case you can always send back the RAM to the Manufacturer until they give you a good set. I will say that Geil has been known lately to not be very consistent with their RAM, so it may take more than a few tries to get a good set from them if you go with them.

As for the highest overclock with that China chip, I would post this question in a number of forums and see what kind of response you get. Try Overclockers.com, ABXzone.com & xshellr8.com etc. that will give you a good mix of people to gather your data from.

Yep the lower the voltage that the cpu is stated to do, the higher the performance of that chip.

Catch you later,

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: jhites

Originally posted by: ScottFern
I have a P4C800 deluxe mobo and a 2.8Ghz(C) and I have an ATI All in Wonder 9800 Pro. I have 2 issues with this card.
1) I can't overclock the CPU to ANYTHING above 2.8Ghz because I am convinced it messes with my All In Wonder Card. I get video corruptions and lock ups.
2) Whenever I do a cold boot, I get the bios display but after it goes into windows, I lose my video signal ???? Someone suggested a bios update, something to do with AGP 8X not being intialized correctly ???
My PSU is a True Silent 420W, and I have fast write turned off in the ATI control panel.

Your card is most likely fine. as many have thought they had a problem to find out they did not. Set your vagp to 1.7v and set the agp/pci lock to 66/33 then reboot. You should be ok with the ATI Catalyst Drivers but I prefer the Omega Drivers. The Omega drivers are just modded a bit and give more control and a few tweeks. You can get the Omega drivers here.....

Ditto! Heh

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Michael I haven't hooked any drives up to it yet, it's still laying out on my bench top. I'll probably hook the drives up & install XP Pro tonight.

I never checked any forums for what kind of DDR speeds users are getting, I only checked review sites and from them DDR560 was the highest I've seen so far. Mine may do more than DDR562 at least boot wise, but I didn't check it since any higher than that gave Memtest errors, so there wasn't really any point since I'm not going to run it at a speed that yields errors.

Ahh I see, well when you do I would definately run 2 instances of Prime95 and if you can get UT2003, I highly recommend it. I've found that UT2003 benchmark finds instability that even prime95 doesn't primarily becuase it's taxing not only cpu and memory, but Video as well, I can't say enough about using it, it's been that good for me testing stability of the system.

I have also found that you can't rely on the reviews to get real world data on these components and benches, they are ok for just general information on what's good but that's about it. Their exagerated due to severel reasons, 1) The manufacturs send these review people their very best stuff which doesn't dictate production run stuff, 2) When doing their reviews they pad things to make them look better then they are because they want to maintain a good relationship with these manufacturers so that they'll continue to send them their free equipment for testing.

If you want REAL data, you have to talk to the actual people getting the production versions of the equipment so I ALWAYS talk to them before making a decision on components. You will get way better data there than any other place. So spending the extra time to talk to people and post questions in as many forums as possible is highly recommended.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

See ya,

 

[Crashman]

Yes, well consider that the IC7 doesn't even come with LAN, and that most people can't do better than 10/100 on their network anyway.

 

[Crashman]

Consider the reviews at Sysopt which tend to be a bit more balanced on the possitive/negative aspects. BTW, that site is having problems getting review samples for some strange reason.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Crashman
Consider the reviews at Sysopt which tend to be a bit more balanced on the possitive/negative aspects. BTW, that site is having problems getting review samples for some strange reason.

LOL!