*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[shleepy]

I don't remember ever choosing a stripe size... so yea... i guess that could be it. I just used autosetup --> performance (stripe). How do I check the size? (lol, srry for asking u so many questions, but IMO, it IS better than reading a guide or manual )

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: CannibalisticH0b0
I don't remember ever choosing a stripe size... so yea... i guess that could be it. I just used autosetup --> performance (stripe). How do I check the size? (lol, srry for asking u so many questions, but IMO, it IS better than reading a guide or manual )

Well that's probably your entire problem.

Use Sandra to get that info.

 

[Crashman]

Originally posted by: computer

Yes, well consider that the IC7 doesn't even come with LAN, and that most people can't do better than 10/100 on their network anyway.

I think you mean it doesn't come with a Gigabit CSA LAN, right? It has a regular 10/100 LAN doesn't it? Incredibly, Abit has no manual for it at their site!

No, I mean the IC7 has no onboard LAN whatsoever. They used the same LAN traces as the IC7-G, and simply removed the chip! In fact, they didn't even use a different multipurpose connector where the LAN port is, they simply put a sticker over it!

Many people have tried removing that sticker to use the missing LAN feature, then they don't understand why a board with no network chip has no LAN!

 

[computer]

Wow that's pretty rare in 875 mobo's. Yeah that's bizarre, when I was looking for the manual I looked at an image for it at their site and it indeed did show the RJ45 connector!

 

[Crashman]

Originally posted by: computer
Wow that's pretty rare in 875 mobo's. Yeah that's bizarre, when I was looking for the manual I looked at an image for it at their site and it indeed did show the RJ45 connector!

Yes, an RJ45 connector with a sticker over it. It is unusual but not that hard to understand, the IC7 is a stripped down IC7-G. Since the -G uses CSA, Abit had to either use the expensive Intel CSA Gigabit chip, or no chip at all. And because that chip is expensive, Abit went with none at all.

 

[shleepy]

Noob question of the day: how do you find the strip size in Sandra or AIDA32 or something like that?

 

[computer]

Just click "Drives information" and you'll see it. BTW, has anyone tried to update their Sandra via the "Web update wizard"? Mine doesn't work, it gets hung up.

 

[shleepy]

Yeah, I think u have the 2003 version, since mine hung up before, too.

I didn't find anything about "strip size", but I assume it's under a different name. Here are the things that I think MIGHT be the strip size:

Cluster size 4k.
Bytes per sector 512
Sectors per cluster 8.

Is it one of those? If it's not, I guess I should go back to the 2003 version (using the 2004 demo now) and see if I can find it there, right?

If it's really 4k or something, should I just zero-fill (low-format) my HDD's, make the RAID strip size 64k, and follow the instructions that Xeon showed me (via the link)? I heard someplace that 64k is ideal for WinXP, is that true? Once again, I have 2 Maxtor 80Gb 7200RPM 8Mb cache ATA133 HDD's.

Thank you

 

[ItsMillerTime]

I just received my P4 2.8c and video card from newegg, the last two pieces needed for my first oc system. I've read the first 20 pages and last 5 pages of this thread and know the issues related to this mobo.

I recall reading about the Costa Rican and Malaysian versions of the P4 but don't have the time to search through this thread; I got the CR version and would like to know what the issue was with this chip.
Do I need to RMA it or was it just one person having the problem?

I'm planning to oc to 233FSB using OCZ pc3700 gold (rev. 2) and would appreciate any input from you all. Please let me know if you need more information of my setup.

Thanking you in advance

I got the E rev. 2.0 mobo

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: ItsMillerTime
I just received my P4 2.8c and video card from newegg, the last two pieces needed for my first oc system. I've read the first 20 pages and last 5 pages of this thread and know the issues related to this mobo.

I recall reading about the Costa Rican and Malaysian versions of the P4 but don't have the time to search through this thread; I got the CR version and would like to know what the issue was with this chip.
Do I need to RMA it or was it just one person having the problem?

I'm planning to oc to 233FSB using OCZ pc3700 gold (rev. 2) and would appreciate any input from you all. Please let me know if you need more information of my setup.

Thanking you in advance

I got the E rev. 2.0 mobo

The Costa Rican does show to be a less then optimal but I would try it out and see how it does first before you try to get another one. You may luck out and get a great one. Malaysia seems to be putting out one of the better cpu's so if you do end up having to get another one I wouldn't RMA it to who you bought it from because they general will not be helpful in getting you the one you want or need (they just grab what's on their shelves) and I would send it directly back to Intel instead requesting the one you want instead.

The P4C800-E Deluxe REV2.00 is an excellent board. It's what I have and it's been a great purchase for me.

Hope this helped.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: CannibalisticH0b0
Yeah, I think u have the 2003 version, since mine hung up before, too.

I didn't find anything about "strip size", but I assume it's under a different name. Here are the things that I think MIGHT be the strip size:

Cluster size 4k.
Bytes per sector 512
Sectors per cluster 8.

Is it one of those? If it's not, I guess I should go back to the 2003 version (using the 2004 demo now) and see if I can find it there, right?

If it's really 4k or something, should I just zero-fill (low-format) my HDD's, make the RAID strip size 64k, and follow the instructions that Xeon showed me (via the link)? I heard someplace that 64k is ideal for WinXP, is that true? Once again, I have 2 Maxtor 80Gb 7200RPM 8Mb cache ATA133 HDD's.

Thank you

For the stripe size on a RAID0 it really depends on the size of the files that you normally work with that will give you the optimal one to use. I?d look over the files you work with most such as gaming files, graphics, video etc. (if that's what you do most) and find the average sizes then pick the a stripe closest to this average. That should give you the best performance with what you?re working with. The stripe size can be from 1kb to 1024kb so there isn?t a hard fast rule you can just use to say which is best.

I think generally 128 is what people use most but if your working with larger file sizes than a larger stripe size should be used, if it?s smaller file sizes then a smaller one should be used.

The reason for this is that if the file that is being written is smaller than the stripe size, the RAID array will not factor. So, if an 8kb file is written to a 128kb array, the data will simply be passed to one of the drives by the controller as a whole file. If the file being written is huge and the stripe size is very small, the file will be broken into many, many chunks before being written to the drives. For instance, if you set your stripe to 4kb and write a 16,000kb file, the file gets broken into 4,000 chunks of 4kb. Writing 4,000 chunks to the drives, 2 at a time, will actually cause a decrease in performance.

So, you will need to analyze what you plan to do with your RAID, then analyze what files you are working with most and determine which stripe size is best for your needs. There is no one size fits all.

Hope this helped.

 

[computer]

CannibalisticH0b0, that may be something different. Mine says "cluster size" on my P4B533 and I'm not running RAID on it. Yes, I use the 2003 Pro version.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: CannibalisticH0b0
Yeah, I think u have the 2003 version, since mine hung up before, too.

I didn't find anything about "strip size", but I assume it's under a different name. Here are the things that I think MIGHT be the strip size:

Cluster size 4k.
Bytes per sector 512
Sectors per cluster 8.

Is it one of those? If it's not, I guess I should go back to the 2003 version (using the 2004 demo now) and see if I can find it there, right?

If it's really 4k or something, should I just zero-fill (low-format) my HDD's, make the RAID strip size 64k, and follow the instructions that Xeon showed me (via the link)? I heard someplace that 64k is ideal for WinXP, is that true? Once again, I have 2 Maxtor 80Gb 7200RPM 8Mb cache ATA133 HDD's.

Thank you

For the stripe size on a RAID0 it really depends on the size of the files that you normally work with that will give you the optimal one to use. I?d look over the files you work with most such as gaming files, graphics, video etc. (if that's what you do most) and find the average sizes then pick the a stripe closest to this average. That should give you the best performance with what you?re working with. The stripe size can be from 1kb to 1024kb so there isn?t a hard fast rule you can just use to say which is best.

I think generally 128 is what people use most but if your working with larger file sizes than a larger stripe size should be used, if it?s smaller file sizes then a smaller one should be used.

The reason for this is that if the file that is being written is smaller than the stripe size, the RAID array will not factor. So, if an 8kb file is written to a 128kb array, the data will simply be passed to one of the drives by the controller as a whole file. If the file being written is huge and the stripe size is very small, the file will be broken into many, many chunks before being written to the drives. For instance, if you set your stripe to 4kb and write a 16,000kb file, the file gets broken into 4,000 chunks of 4kb. Writing 4,000 chunks to the drives, 2 at a time, will actually cause a decrease in performance.

So, you will need to analyze what you plan to do with your RAID, then analyze what files you are working with most and determine which stripe size is best for your needs. There is no one size fits all.

Hope this helped.

Sorry, I forgot to answer your other question.

4k/8k is what your running now and that may be ok with the current files you're using, but if you do things like Video, or do Graphic Arts work, then this should be increased for sure. Middle of the road I'd say is somewhere between 16k/64k. But if all you do is surf the web then smaller would be better, since most web files are relatively small. Because of the work I do I personally would chose a size around 64 to 128, leaning toward the latter.

 

[shleepy]

Ooh, nice post, Xeon, VERY helpful Thank you!

I'm a hardcore gamer, I guess you could say, and I often work with video files; Oh, and don't forget those benchmarks, which I am trying to raise I, thus, work with large files. How woud I go about finding the average, though? For now, I assume that 128kb would prolly suit me well. Once again, thx a lot, Xeon, extremely useful info now, as well as in the past.

 

[E-T00L]

I went ahead and ordered the Geil Platinum PC4000, newegg dropped the price down to $235 for 1GB so thats a real good price compared to the PC4000 Golden Dragon they sent me DOA for $311. I hope it works out this time.

 

[computer]

Remember now if you ever install two more sticks you won't be able to run PAT enabled since Geil's 1gb UP kit is double-sided memory. I should have gotten the 1gb kit instead of the 512mb kit since I DO want 1gb total, but it was just to expensive. Now when I get another 2x256mb kit, I'm sure it's not going to be matched to my current "hand picked" 2x256mb sticks and that's going to put me in a hole.

 

[E-T00L]

I got mine running ddr 530 stable. Im running Cas 3-4-4-8. What is the cut off for running Cas 2.5 on this Geil Platinum 4000?

 

[computer]

Mine can run the stock timings (2.5-4-4-7) at DDR562, 281mhz bus @1:1.

 

[computer]

Can anyone that has the Promise controller enabled tell me if you have anything running in the background that's affiliated with it? If you do, can whatever IS running in the background be disabled and what happens if you disable it? I seem to remember on my first go 'round on this mobo seeing an entry in the autoexec.bat I think was, referring to the controller. I can't remember if I also saw something for it when Cont-alt-delete was pressed, but please check there as well. I'd like to know what this if for exactly and its purpose. I don't know why it would be necessary since I've never seen anything like this for any other Promise controller card or integrated Promise device.
Thanks.
-Clint

 

[computer]

I'm having an odd problem this time guys. I had no problem formatting HD's before on this mobo and getting XP on them, now I can't. First, "MADBOOT" will not format ANY of the HD's, whether they are IDE or SATA nor whether they are on the Promise controller or the regular IDE. I click the "Format" button and it shows (all 3 HD's in this case) C, D, and E, and the next window and I click to format them, and it asks the 'are you sure' bit and I click OK, and there is a flash, and nothing happens, it will not format them. Also, it keeps saying NO CDROM DRIVE is hooked up! One of course IS hooked up and the BIOS sees it fine and I can even boot from it!!

I try and boot of the XP CD to let it install the drives, it boots fine, but when it gets to the part where you have to hit [enter] to continue, it keeps saying it could not setup the HD's because it didn't find any!!!!

I tried removing the HD that was on the Promise controller and disabled the chip, same thing. I also ONLY hooked up the Raptor in the ICH5R, same thing. Again, BIOS sees ALL HD's and CDROM drive just fine. I don't EVER remember having to go through all of this before. XP always formatted the HD's with no problem.

Also, what's the deal with "32bit transfers" set to "DISABLED" by default? I never noticed that before.

Now I'm getting the XP version of win98's @#@#%! BSOD when I boot from the CD!! It goes through all the normal checks, then it completes it and says "starting windows" or something like that at bottom of the screen and the next screen should be the format utility, but it shows that same exception screen you see IN WINDOWS when there is bad error!!

I even set PAT and Turbo to normal or Auto and set the CPU FSB to almost default.

 

[jhites]

Sounds like the CD drive is not reading the disk properly. I had a similar situation a few months back. The bios recognized the cd drive just fine but when it started to read the disk it would either not read it at all or get started reading and stop. I tried updating the firmware and everything else I could do on the drive. Finally, just replaced the drive and all was well. If you have another cd drive laying around, I would give it a shot.

 

[computer]

Well, that's the next thing I'll do. That SOB better not be bad, an Asus CD520 and I have a few of them, but this one I painted black!!

Now, how the hell are you supposed to format an IBM HD???????? Nothing at IBM's site of course, and Hitachi doesn't even have it! MADBOOT won't format it, and the XP CD won't format it.

 

[computer]

I had to create the WD install floppy for the Raptor to get it formatted again! Last time, I didn't have to. But the XP CD still says "no HD's detected"!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe a 30 second "job" can turn into an all night all day affair.

 

[computer]

Ok, I'm about to BLOW UP ALL OF THIS CRAP. Got the Raptor formatted and it's connected to the ICH5R. Put a new CDROM drive on the mobo. Same $h!t. "Setup could not detect any Hard drives"

 

[computer]

Now I'm also about to pull my hair out. I tried to boot off the Seagate CD, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK!! Got all sorts of errors, and get this....the errors were on ON DRIVE "A", and the floppy had nothing in it!! So, I had to create a floppy from the Seagate CD and it created ONE floppy. I boot off of it, and after a minute or so, it says "INSTALL DISK WIZARD STARTER EDITION DISK 2 AND HIT 'C' TO CONTINUE"!!!!!! There is no "disk 2"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!