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I just found out the huge differences between now, and my other 800-E mobo at least as far as HDTach goes. It's the version number. Last time I used v2.61, this time v2.52. I found 2.61 and installed it and the scores are WAAAY up. From 58xxxk to almost 78xxxk on the ICH5R for the Raptor and over 85xxxk on the Promise, about where they were last time, a little higher. Now I'm really wondering if Sandra is the same way. Does anyone know where I can get v2003 of Sandra from? I haven't been able to find it yet.
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: computer
Can you run another set of benches at 280 1:1, 280 5:4, and 290 5:4?
Why do you need me to run them again? They'll be the same within a couple MB/sec.

Should've been more specific. Can you bench DVDShrink? Don't care too much about mem scores, I want to compare actual performance.
 

ItsMillerTime

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Ok guys, just did some testing with 2.8c and pc3700 gold rev2 and have a couple of questions.
With vcore=1.6v, vdimm=2.75v, agp=1.6v, at 2.5-3-3-7-4 (rated spec)
The max fsb at 1:1 was 243, at 5:4 was 250. I'm running the Costa Rican chip and MSI fx5700-128vtd.
I got some errors when vdimm was set at 2.85v.

1) Should I loosen ram timings below specs?

2) What should I set the DRAM Idle Timer and Refresh Rate to?

3) Is 7MHz increase in fsb speed worth running memory at 5:4? I think not.

Any other suggestions as far as BIOS settings or possible rma of P4 to Malay and RAM to pc4000-pc4200?

Thanks everyone...
 

jhites

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Originally posted by: ItsMillerTime
Ok guys, just did some testing with 2.8c and pc3700 gold rev2 and have a couple of questions.
With vcore=1.6v, vdimm=2.75v, agp=1.6v, at 2.5-3-3-7-4 (rated spec)
The max fsb at 1:1 was 243, at 5:4 was 250. I'm running the Costa Rican chip and MSI fx5700-128vtd.
I got some errors when vdimm was set at 2.85v.

1) Should I loosen ram timings below specs?

2) What should I set the DRAM Idle Timer and Refresh Rate to?

3) Is 7MHz increase in fsb speed worth running memory at 5:4? I think not.
If your chip is only good up to 250fsb using the 5:4 ratio, then you should get better overall performance with the 1:1 @ 243fsb. The only time that the 5:4 will yield better results is when you chip can outperform your ram speed.

(ie: My ram is HyperX PC3500 and it will only do 1:1 up to 220fsb @ 2-3-2-6 [DDR440] but I am running 262fsb @ 2-2-2-5 [DDR420] which makes my overall performance much better by using the 5:4 with that fsb increase.)
 

Xeon

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I'm selling 1 Gig of my OCZ PC-4000 Gold (2x512) Part Number OCZ5001024ELDCGE-K I have 4 Gigs of the stuff so I thought it's about time I sell some of it.

If your interested let me know and we'll discuss price and shipment.

You must be Paypal ready.

All the sets I have do PC-4200 speeds 266+ FSB using this 2.4C. First come first serve.
 

muppet

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I can run 1 instance of Prime 95 for 24hours as well as Memtest with no errors
but i tried 2 instances of Prime 95 and the second failed after couple minutes or so.
Now i aint worried about this and have kept my settings as there are, as I am happy it is running stable enough for me.
I cant get any higher than this though:

P4 2.6 @ 3378Mhz
FSB @ 258
DDR 1.1 400Mhz
AGP/PCI locked @ 66.66/33.33
CPU Vcore = 1.8v
DDR = 2.75v
AGP VDDQ = 1.50v
Performance = Auto

temps when in Windows range from 26c-37c doing normal operations but have hit 45c when using Prime95. Although if I reboot the BIOS will show higher than this, so not sure what to believe. I am using the Thermalright 947U heatsink with Panaflo 92mm fan so should be okay. I was a little worried the CPU voltage is too high, but as long as the processor last a good 2years I am happy.
I cant get a higher FSB without raising voltages. I dont think I will be able to tighten the RAM settings without failures, but will try. Do you think this is a good overclock??
I was hoping to hit that 3.4Gz mark
 

Xeon

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Originally posted by: muppet
I can run 1 instance of Prime 95 for 24hours as well as Memtest with no errors
but i tried 2 instances of Prime 95 and the second failed after couple minutes or so.
Now i aint worried about this and have kept my settings as there are, as I am happy it is running stable enough for me.
I cant get any higher than this though:

P4 2.6 @ 3378Mhz
FSB @ 258
DDR 1.1 400Mhz
AGP/PCI locked @ 66.66/33.33
CPU Vcore = 1.8v
DDR = 2.75v
AGP VDDQ = 1.50v
Performance = Auto

temps when in Windows range from 26c-37c doing normal operations but have hit 45c when using Prime95. Although if I reboot the BIOS will show higher than this, so not sure what to believe. I am using the Thermalright 947U heatsink with Panaflo 92mm fan so should be okay. I was a little worried the CPU voltage is too high, but as long as the processor last a good 2years I am happy.
I cant get a higher FSB without raising voltages. I dont think I will be able to tighten the RAM settings without failures, but will try. Do you think this is a good overclock??
I was hoping to hit that 3.4Gz mark

muppet Am I reading this right? You're running a CPU VCore of 1.8?? That's way to high in my opinnion and you will end up frying that cpu for sure at that voltage! You would be hard pressed to run it even at 1.7 and not have it burn up over time. Unless you are running water cooling I wouldn't keep it at that setting if running air.

What brand and speed of RAM are you running?

I'd also bump up the Dimm voltage to 2.85v. I think you will find that some of those errors you're seeing may go away, not always though as it depends on the RAM you have. This will also allow you in most cases to increase your FSB, so give it a whirl.

I've also found that running the AGP voltage higher than 1.5 helps, especially if your running any of the newer GPU's. I have an older Video card in my box and it loves the extra voltage which is set to 1.6.

I know you didn't ask for any advice here but I thought I'd offer some anyway.

If you're happy with what you have and don't care to mess with it, then please by all means disregard what I've said here.

See ya,
 

Xeon

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Originally posted by: jcpiercy
Hi Michael

Just catching up on some posts !

How much for the 1gig of OCZ Ram ??

JP

Tell you what JP, just send me an e-mail with how much you would be willing to pay and we can go from there. Howz that sound?

BTW, it's good to see you in here!! Haven't heard from you much lately.
 

jhites

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I would strongly recommend that you drop that vcore. Most would suggest that you keep it at 1.60v or lower. Since you say that you only want it for a couple of years, then you might get by with 1.675v without melting the whole guts out of the cpu.

Keep in mind that you run the risk of SNDS (Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome) if you run above 1.70 volts for an extended period of time. It does not matter what your temps are when the voltage is above 1.70+, you will still experience SNDS.
 

stickybytes

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to anybody who recently has boughten this board: does the tight heat sink issue still exist or have they fixed it? as many of you know, a heat sink screwed on too tightly will cause the computer not to boot.
 

computer

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I've had two 800-E Deluxe's (Rev. 1.2 & 2) and two retail 2.4C w/retail HSF units and never had the problem. I heard this was only with the retail HSF unit. It doesn't screw into anything, it uses retention clips.
 

Crashman

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I have the P4C800-E Deluxe revision 2.0, and my stock Intel sink fit with the perfect pressure. The only problem I have with the board is the crappy voltage regulation for the CPU.
 

computer

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I have the P4C800-E Deluxe revision 2.0, and my stock Intel sink fit with the perfect pressure. The only problem I have with the board is the crappy voltage regulation for the CPU.
It was even worse on Rev. 1.2!
 

hpfanatic

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Hopefully someone can help me try to figure out what is going on with my setup. I have:

P4C800E Deluxe
P4 2.6
1gb Geil Ultra 3200
Radeon 8500
2 120gb WD SE Drives on the Raid controller running IDE
Windows XP SP1

I can overclock this up to 250fsb for 3.2Mhz at 1.6v, Memory set at 320 2.85v either Default SPD, or tighter setting in manual no problem. The problem is, the system is very very slow! It takes almost 5 mins for Windows to completely boot, then programs just run slow. Slow to start, and slow to run. I set everything back to defaults, cpu and memory and it runs faster then when it is overclocked. Takes about 45 seconds to fully boot.

I have run Memtest with no problems, but Prime 95 does crap out after an hour or so.

Why would it be so slow?
 

computer

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You're saying it's SLOWER when it's overclocked?? If so, that's strange. Have you run any benchmarks to determine what is failing?
 

Xeon

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Originally posted by: hpfanatic
Hopefully someone can help me try to figure out what is going on with my setup. I have:

P4C800E Deluxe
P4 2.6
1gb Geil Ultra 3200
Radeon 8500
2 120gb WD SE Drives on the Raid controller running IDE
Windows XP SP1

I can overclock this up to 250fsb for 3.2Mhz at 1.6v, Memory set at 320 2.85v either Default SPD, or tighter setting in manual no problem. The problem is, the system is very very slow! It takes almost 5 mins for Windows to completely boot, then programs just run slow. Slow to start, and slow to run. I set everything back to defaults, cpu and memory and it runs faster then when it is overclocked. Takes about 45 seconds to fully boot.

I have run Memtest with no problems, but Prime 95 does crap out after an hour or so.

Why would it be so slow?

It's probably becuase you're running 3:2 which also means you're running it at 167 Mhz even at 250 FSB. At a minimum you should run at 5:4 and push the FSB as high as you can go then tighten you're timings to or below 2-3-3-6 if you can. 3:2 is really a waste of time and as you can tell, waste of a good machine.
 

hpfanatic

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Isn't the 320 memory setting 5:4? CPUZ says the memory is running at 200Mhz. And I had the settings at 2-3-3-6

Which benchmark would you suggest?
 

muppet

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Originally posted by: Xeon
Originally posted by: muppet
I can run 1 instance of Prime 95 for 24hours as well as Memtest with no errors
but i tried 2 instances of Prime 95 and the second failed after couple minutes or so.
Now i aint worried about this and have kept my settings as there are, as I am happy it is running stable enough for me.
I cant get any higher than this though:

P4 2.6 @ 3378Mhz
FSB @ 258
DDR 1.1 400Mhz
AGP/PCI locked @ 66.66/33.33
CPU Vcore = 1.8v
DDR = 2.75v
AGP VDDQ = 1.50v
Performance = Auto

temps when in Windows range from 26c-37c doing normal operations but have hit 45c when using Prime95. Although if I reboot the BIOS will show higher than this, so not sure what to believe. I am using the Thermalright 947U heatsink with Panaflo 92mm fan so should be okay. I was a little worried the CPU voltage is too high, but as long as the processor last a good 2years I am happy.
I cant get a higher FSB without raising voltages. I dont think I will be able to tighten the RAM settings without failures, but will try. Do you think this is a good overclock??
I was hoping to hit that 3.4Gz mark

muppet Am I reading this right? You're running a CPU VCore of 1.8?? That's way to high in my opinnion and you will end up frying that cpu for sure at that voltage! You would be hard pressed to run it even at 1.7 and not have it burn up over time. Unless you are running water cooling I wouldn't keep it at that setting if running air.

What brand and speed of RAM are you running?

I'd also bump up the Dimm voltage to 2.85v. I think you will find that some of those errors you're seeing may go away, not always though as it depends on the RAM you have. This will also allow you in most cases to increase your FSB, so give it a whirl.

I've also found that running the AGP voltage higher than 1.5 helps, especially if your running any of the newer GPU's. I have an older Video card in my box and it loves the extra voltage which is set to 1.6.

I know you didn't ask for any advice here but I thought I'd offer some anyway.

If you're happy with what you have and don't care to mess with it, then please by all means disregard what I've said here.

See ya,

I appreciate the advise and dropped the CPU voltage to under 1.7V and increased DDR voltage to 2.85, also increased AGP. It loaded into Windows okay but fails on Prime 95 almost instantly. I have OCZ 4200EL RAM so it cant be the memory, and the FSB is running at 258 at 400Mhz. I wont to keep it at 1.1 to get best performance. Does it look like the CPU cant handle it here?
I suppose i need to drop the FSB.
 

computer

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I assume that was a "yes" to your PC being slower o'clocked. I agree with Michael (Xeon) about the memory being too slow when the CPU is o'clocked, that could be it. But it should not be that noticeable since the CPU is so much faster, but stranger things have happened. I don't recall the 5:4 and 3:2 settings, I always get them mixed up but I posted them a few days ago in that long benchmark post of mine. I think the 320 setting is 5:4. Any benchmark will do to see how much slower the memory is. I'd use Sandra, and compare the results o'clocked to default speeds. They'll probably be lower when the CPU is o'clocked. Run the "Memory bandwidth benchmark" and the "Cache and memory benchmark". For the former, run buffered AND unbuffered tests. For unbuffered you have to into the module options and uncheck EIGHT boxes after the FIRST box (first box is checked), then scroll down and uncheck the buffered box. You should have a total of 9 boxes UNchecked.

And PUH-LEEZE post your results since I've been trying for days to get some comparisons. You should run Sandra 2004 since it would be more accurate for newer hardware.
 

xabin

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I could really use some help determining the problem with my computer. I've built it myself (first time), it is a:
P4 2.8Ghz 800FSB + Zalman ZM-7000A-CU
Asus P4C800 Rev 2.00
Antec TruePower 430W
Corsair TWINX1024RE-3200LL 2x512Mb
Asus GeForce 4 Ti4200
Seagate Barracuda 160Gb 7200rpm
Lian Li PC60 case

The problem is this.. when I when I start the computer, all hardware and fans start up, but I get no signal to the monitor. No post beeps either.
The first thing I tried was changing graphics card. I tried with two others I know work, but no progress.
I tried with either of the ram modules, and with no ram modules at all, but no progress.
I tested with a P4 2.2Ghz 533FSB cpu, but still no progress.
I resetted CMOS using the jumpers, and finally I had some progress. Now the computer started beeping when I started it. 1 long, 2 short beeps. But still no signal to monitor.
I know there is nothing wrong with the PSU, I've used it for a month in my older computer.
I assumed that the motherboard was faulty, so I returned it and got a new one. Still same problem...
At that point I handed the computer in to a computer service-place to have them look at it. At first they seemed clueless as well, but then they found out that the ram was faulty. Both of the modules.
Strange enough, when I got the computer back from them, it was no longer beeping. But all else was the same.
So I returned the ram, and got new ram yesterday. Last night I put it in, and guess what.. same problem. But no beeps. It doesn't beep without ram either. And no signal to monitor.
I seriously need help with this computer. I've been trying for three months now.
If someone could help me solve this I would be eternally grateful.
 

Xeon

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Originally posted by: xabin
I could really use some help determining the problem with my computer. I've built it myself (first time), it is a:
P4 2.8Ghz 800FSB + Zalman ZM-7000A-CU
Asus P4C800 Rev 2.00
Antec TruePower 430W
Corsair TWINX1024RE-3200LL 2x512Mb
Asus GeForce 4 Ti4200
Seagate Barracuda 160Gb 7200rpm
Lian Li PC60 case

The problem is this.. when I when I start the computer, all hardware and fans start up, but I get no signal to the monitor. No post beeps either.
The first thing I tried was changing graphics card. I tried with two others I know work, but no progress.
I tried with either of the ram modules, and with no ram modules at all, but no progress.
I tested with a P4 2.2Ghz 533FSB cpu, but still no progress.
I resetted CMOS using the jumpers, and finally I had some progress. Now the computer started beeping when I started it. 1 long, 2 short beeps. But still no signal to monitor.
I know there is nothing wrong with the PSU, I've used it for a month in my older computer.
I assumed that the motherboard was faulty, so I returned it and got a new one. Still same problem...
At that point I handed the computer in to a computer service-place to have them look at it. At first they seemed clueless as well, but then they found out that the ram was faulty. Both of the modules.
Strange enough, when I got the computer back from them, it was no longer beeping. But all else was the same.
So I returned the ram, and got new ram yesterday. Last night I put it in, and guess what.. same problem. But no beeps. It doesn't beep without ram either. And no signal to monitor.
I seriously need help with this computer. I've been trying for three months now.
If someone could help me solve this I would be eternally grateful.

It sounds like your RAM settings are what's locking you out. You need to hold down the delete key to get into the BIOS and then set the following. Its the most likely cause for the symptoms your describing.

Here is what I would set in the BIOS:

Advanced Tab --> Chipset:
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD. . . . . .[Disabled]
DRAM CAS# Latency . . . . . . . .2
DRAM RAS# Precharge . . . . . . 3
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay. . . 2
DRAM Precharge Delay. . . . . . .6
DRAM Burst Length. . . . . . . . . 8

Performance Acceleration Mode. . . . . .[Auto]

Put everything else to defaults except for your Graphics Aperture Size, set this to the max Value of your Video Card (i.e. 128 or 256 etc.)

Advanced Tab --> JumperFree:
AI Overclock. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . .[Manual]
CPU External Frequency (Mhz). . . [200]
DRAM Frequency. . . . . . . . . . . . . . [400]
AGP/PCI Frequency (Mhz). . . . . . . [66.66/33.33] (This is critical to set, so that you lock down the Frequency)

CPU VCore Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . [1.6]
DDR Reference Voltage. . . . . . . . . [2.85V]
AGP VDDQ Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . .[1.7] (For a 9500 or greater I'd use either 1.6 or 1.7)

Performance Mode. . . . . . . . . . . . .[Auto] (to start with I'd leave this to Auto and once you determine that your stable, then change it to see if it works for you.)

You should also disable USB Legacy support and only use PS/2 mouse and a non USB keyboard to start with. Once you get everything up and running and test your stability with MemTest86 and Prime95, then you can start tweaking these settings. Remember, if your going to overclock you want to start by keeping your memory timings loose and push the FSB as high as it will go and remain stable, then and only then should you start tightening your memory timings.

Let us know if this still won't post for you and we'll try to determine what else you might be able to do to get this working. There are a bunch of people here that run these same sticks of RAM so it's not a specific problem with this RAM/MB combo.

Hope this helps.
 

Xeon

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Originally posted by: hpfanatic
Isn't the 320 memory setting 5:4? CPUZ says the memory is running at 200Mhz. And I had the settings at 2-3-3-6

Which benchmark would you suggest?

Yes you are correct. When I read your previous post I mistakenly thought you said 3:2 not 320.

It may be helpful if you tell us exactly what you have set in the bios. Specifically whats set under JumperFree and Chipset.
 

computer

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to have replaced/swapped out everything. ? How 'bout a monitor?

When ever you build a PC, NEVER hook anything up to it or put it into a case until you're positive it works. Have you or anyone tried it out of the case just sitting flat on a piece of cardboard or similar? Try that if you haven't, and remove EVERYTHING from it except CPU, memory, and video card. Then try it & let us know.

Regarding the beeps....this mobo has odd beeps. It doesn't beep unless you have USB devices hooked up. If it beeps, and no USB devices are connected, something is wrong and you need to check BIOS beep codes here. . One long and two short beeps is the "video system". Make sure all the cards are supported voltage wise by this mobo. I think it will only support 1.5v and .......what's an 8x AGP card.... .5v I think.

Since this is your first build I have to ask....you did connect the P4 12v power connector?
 
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