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Hineman

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I have 2 modules of the TwinX1023-3200LLPT and when I tried to go with 2226 my windows xp pro does not load. In fact I recently upgraded to the P4C800-E Deluxe and a 3.2E processor and have been having significant problems with the system when running games. Mainly Battlefield Vietnam and even UT2004. My older 2.4 and a P4P800 Deluxe ran better. Any advice with either the processor problem or the memory?
 

computer

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Originally posted by: IntelConvert
Originally posted by: computer
I was using 14, but now I'm using 16. Check out my 3 posts on the previous page starting with: "06/02/2004 09:05 AM " and you'll see why.
I see, but since I don't have (or need) Digidoc 5, my main interest is UDMA 6 performance. So I guess it's time for me to 'go back to the future' with a v1011 flash (as that version seems to be the last one on the US site with UDMA 6)! :roll:
The DigiDoc has nothing to do with the BIOS version. I only referenced those posts of mine so you'd know why I went to 1016. But yes, if you want Native UDMA 6 support you'll have to use 1011 (or 12 or 13).
 

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Originally posted by: skilbeck
I have the problem where the multiplier is locked at 14x - I've upgraded to 1016 and cleared RTC but it's still not working - anyone got any more ideas?
CPU type?? I don't guess it matters since you're using 1016, it is supposed to recognize all new P4 CPU's....except MAYBE the 2mb cache model, I don't know about that one.
 

senior guy

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Originally posted by: IntelConvert
Originally posted by: computer
Note that if you are using an ATA133/UDMA 6 HD, with BIOS versions after 1014 the Asus morons went backwards and REMOVED UDMA 6 support. Now, you can only get UDMA 5 tops unless you use a BIOS version older than 1014. Is that smart, or what?? :disgust: This is on the NATIVE controller only and not the Promise.
While I too wonder why Asus did this, according to the BIOS notes on their download page, v1014 was where they did the UDMA 6 ---> 5 revision! So I believe you need to go back to v1011 for UDMA 6 (as there doesn't appear to be any v1012 -1014)!!!
No BIOS version will allow you to realize ATA/133 (UDMA 6) from the ICH5/ICH5R SouthBridge. The problem here isn't that Asus removed that support in v1014, but that they finally corrected the erroneous impression of that support. While v1011 and earlier BIOS's mistakingly indicated ATA/133 (UDMA 6) support, they were never capable of running beyond ATA/100 (based on Intel's ICH5/ICH5R specs)! Asus must have eventually realized this, correcting v1014 and subsequent BIOS's to reflect the true capability of the SouthBridge.

So for ATA/133 (UCMA 6) support, you need to use the Promise Controller (and always had to)!
 

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Originally posted by: senior guy
No BIOS version will allow you to realize ATA/133 (UDMA 6) from the ICH5/ICH5R SouthBridge. The problem here isn't that Asus removed that support in v1014, but that they finally corrected the erroneous impression of that support. While v1011 and earlier BIOS's mistakingly indicated ATA/133 (UDMA 6) support, they were never capable of running beyond ATA/100 (based on Intel's ICH5/ICH5R specs)! Asus must have eventually realized this, correcting v1014 and subsequent BIOS's to reflect the true capability of the SouthBridge.

So for ATA/133 (UCMA 6) support, you need to use the Promise Controller (and always had to)!
Where did you get this info from, and can you elaborate on it please? Why would a "Mercedes" of motherboards not have UDMA 6 support, not even for SATA drives? I know there is no UDMA 6 support for the Native IDE, since they are only ATA100 and not ATA133, but I don't understand this as far as the Native SATA controller goes because the SATA150 protocol is UDMA 6.
Thanks.
 

TheMoFo

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I built a new machine a couple days ago:

xp pro sp1
P4 3.2e
P4C800 Deluxe rev.2.0
1 gig or corsair xms 3200 c2
2xwd 36.7 raptors/raid0

I have had a butt ton of problems. Many a error has blue screened me, most common ones were: MULTIPLE_IRP_COMPLETE_REQUESTS and IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. I had one that was PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_ARE, although that last one was an isolated error.

Well after I pulled handfulls of hair from head, dented the wall with my head, and came just short of drop kicking my new machine into the neighbors yard. I disabled hyperthreading and everything cleared up. I have reformatted,uninstalled hardware, uninstalled drivers, tried it without sp1, still blue screened with HT enabled.
I ran memtest with one stick/two sticks/ single channel with two sticks/ dual channel/ default timings/ tightened timings...never have gotten an error. Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem related to software or hardware? Do I have a bad chip?

It almost seems that when I start surfing the web it happens more often...
 

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Then if you've got it narrowed down to HT being enabled, that would mean probably one or two things; CPU is bad (if it's still doing this at default bus and voltage), or mobo screwed up. I'd try and flash/reflash the BIOS first, and if it still does it, I'd consider RMA'ing the CPU. This is IF you're positive it's not a piece of software or driver doing this. It is possible that HT could be "doing something strange" with a specific driver or software type. The only way to rule that out would be to try and use it a while and do what was duplicating the errors/crashes with NO software installed, nor any drivers. Hopefully you know how to duplicate the error or it happens very quickly, then you test this theory out on a bare bones install. Of course if the error is happening only when you do specific things, it may not be the CPU or mobo, but could be the certain app you may have open while getting the screw-ups. I don't think HT has anything to do with memory since it only mimics dual CPU's, but I could be wrong.
 

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I just noticed your last sentence about browsing when it seems to happen. What browser are you using? If other than IE, it could be something odd going on with HT and some unusual browser type (Opera, Firebird, etc). Or, could be browser support software doing it like any software firewall, or other apps in your system tray. Maybe even some usual AV software. Disable ALL of these if any and see what happens. Also, if you're on a dialup, or are using software with your broadband, that may possibly be doing it. You don't need ISP software with broadband, and even on a dialup 99% of the time you don't need it. Also don't rule out any drivers for any broadband modem (if internal or USB since ethernet doesn't need drivers).

FWIW, I use IE, XP Pro, Sygate, PCcillin, SpyBot's new v1.3 w/"TeaTimer" active, SpywareBlaster*, Logitech Mouseware, PopUp Stopper Pro, IE AutoSizer, IE Privacy Keeper, all running in the background and they don't cause these HT problems you mention on my PC. (*SpywareBlaster isn't running in MSCONFIG or cont-alt-del, but it has active protection due to registry blocking tags). This is on aDSL and an external ethernet modem w/router.
 

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Originally posted by: TheMoFo
I built a new machine a couple days ago:

xp pro sp1
P4 3.2e
P4C800 Deluxe rev.2.0
1 gig or corsair xms 3200 c2
2xwd 36.7 raptors/raid0

I have had a butt ton of problems. Many a error has blue screened me, most common ones were: MULTIPLE_IRP_COMPLETE_REQUESTS and IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. I had one that was PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_ARE, although that last one was an isolated error.

Well after I pulled handfulls of hair from head, dented the wall with my head, and came just short of drop kicking my new machine into the neighbors yard. I disabled hyperthreading and everything cleared up. I have reformatted,uninstalled hardware, uninstalled drivers, tried it without sp1, still blue screened with HT enabled.
I ran memtest with one stick/two sticks/ single channel with two sticks/ dual channel/ default timings/ tightened timings...never have gotten an error. Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem related to software or hardware? Do I have a bad chip?

It almost seems that when I start surfing the web it happens more often...


I had almost identical symptoms with a new system I built nearly a month ago. In the first week,after clean install of XP PRO, the system got a corrupted kernel 'out of the blue' and had to rebuild. Luckily, I had created an image using Norton Ghost... Second, got other random Blue Screens in the following weeks - one of which was the IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. This is normally directly related to poor drivers so I focused in that direction. Ultimately, after running tests for 'unsigned' drivers and debugging, I found an article referencing possible memory issues. After testing the 1GB Mushkin PC4000, I got a few errors using Windows Memory Diagnostic so I RMA'd the memory. Got the same errors with the replacement PC4000!?!?! Seems the test is not completely reliable. In the end, I disabled the 'detect memory timings automatically using SPD' in the BIOS, set to Mfg specifications manually (3-4-4-8) and haven't had any problems since. ....knock on wood

....you also need a newer BIOS to support the Prescott CPU's - i believe either 1015 or 1016. Check this also. Hope this helps

system:
xp pro sp1
P4 2.6
P4C800 Deluxe rev.2.0
1GB Mushkin PC4000
1xWD 80GB SE on Promise IDE controller
 

dean42mvg

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i guess i must be dumb, but after 2 days of reading this thread, i'm still not sure about this:


i just got a new P4C800 Del.

P4 2.80 800 FSB

how can i tell if i'm running @ 800 FSB ?

i believe [by reading here] that using an 800 Mhz FSB CPU will run @ 800 FSB .

how can i tell ?

when i load in the Ausu CD, and click on the info icon + look @ FSB it says 200

thx in advance

dean

 

computer

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Originally posted by: dean42mvg
i guess i must be dumb, but after 2 days of reading this thread, i'm still not sure about this:


i just got a new P4C800 Del.

P4 2.80 800 FSB

how can i tell if i'm running @ 800 FSB ?

i believe [by reading here] that using an 800 Mhz FSB CPU will run @ 800 FSB .

how can i tell ?

when i load in the Ausu CD, and click on the info icon + look @ FSB it says 200

thx in advance

dean

"800mhz FSB P4's" are really a 200mhz quad-pumped bus. The 533mhz bus was really 133mhz bus x 4.
 

dean42mvg

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Originally posted by: computer

"800mhz FSB P4's" are really a 200mhz quad-pumped bus. The 533mhz bus was really 133mhz bus x 4.

thx,

what is weird is that i don't really notice any gaming performance improvements

i was using a P4 2.4
Asus P4G8X
512 mb PC 2100

now, with my
P4 2.8 800FSB
Asus P4C800 Del.
1024 mb PC 3200

i notice almost no difference while gaming / running a 3D configuration tool with a racing game i use

are there any settings i should check ?

[i'm not really interested in overclocking, as i've never done it in the past]


thx
 

TheMoFo

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Ok well I had people telling me it was a chip, mobo , or memory. For some reason I was unconvinced since it happened mostly when I was surfing. Well my solution came by process of elimination. I had a usb modem, hooked it up via ethernet port, and wallah, no Errors!!! Now my question is why would hyperthreading enabled have any effect on the usb modem. I figured it was the drivers, but why with HT enabled only?

And thanks for everyone who responded with suggestions.
 

computer

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Originally posted by: dean42mvg
Originally posted by: computer

"800mhz FSB P4's" are really a 200mhz quad-pumped bus. The 533mhz bus was really 133mhz bus x 4.

thx,

what is weird is that i don't really notice any gaming performance improvements

i was using a P4 2.4
Asus P4G8X
512 mb PC 2100

now, with my
P4 2.8 800FSB
Asus P4C800 Del.
1024 mb PC 3200

i notice almost no difference while gaming / running a 3D configuration tool with a racing game i use

are there any settings i should check ?

[i'm not really interested in overclocking, as i've never done it in the past]


thx
Yeah, there's a lot of things you can check. Try and search this thread for settings, or just read over the last dozen or so pages. In short, HyperThreading should be enabled, as should "Turbo" mode and "PAT" or "Performance Acceleration Mode". They are off by default. I can't recall right off hand where these areas are in the BIOS, but I think you can only get to them by setting the CPU settings to manual and the memory settings to manual. Set the SPD memory settings to manual and enter what the specs are supposed to be, and BE SURE the memory ratio is set to "400" because if it's not the memory will be underclocked. You may be able to raise the FSB (aka overclock) a bit at the 1:1 setting (which is "400" in the BIOS) but not much with PC3200 memory. Depending on how good it is, it may or may not work above 200mhz, which is what PC3200 memory is; 200mhz. This mobo and dual channel memory setups really shine when you O'clock them. Also, be sure your sticks of memory are in the correct slots for dual channel operation. I'm running a 2.4C @3.4ghz @ the 1:1 setting with PC4000 memory (about 282mhz). Quite a boost in performance over default.

Note that the overwhelming majority of apps run the same on a ~2ghz PC as a 3ghz PC. You're not going to see any performance increases until you use some really CPU intensive or memory intensive programs, or run a bunch of apps all at once which is where the HT (HyperThreading) really comes into play.
 

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Originally posted by: TheMoFo
Ok well I had people telling me it was a chip, mobo , or memory. For some reason I was unconvinced since it happened mostly when I was surfing. Well my solution came by process of elimination. I had a usb modem, hooked it up via ethernet port, and wallah, no Errors!!! Now my question is why would hyperthreading enabled have any effect on the usb modem. I figured it was the drivers, but why with HT enabled only?

And thanks for everyone who responded with suggestions.
No, now I mentioned hardware to check, I even mentioned a USB modem! (Hee He).
Then if you've got it narrowed down to HT being enabled, that would mean probably one or two things; CPU is bad (if it's still doing this at default bus and voltage), or mobo screwed up. I'd try and flash/reflash the BIOS first, and if it still does it, I'd consider RMA'ing the CPU. This is IF you're positive it's not a piece of software or driver doing this. It is possible that HT could be "doing something strange" with a specific driver or software type. The only way to rule that out would be to try and use it a while and do what was duplicating the errors/crashes with NO software installed, nor any drivers. Hopefully you know how to duplicate the error or it happens very quickly, then you test this theory out on a bare bones install. Of course if the error is happening only when you do specific things, it may not be the CPU or mobo, but could be the certain app you may have open while getting the screw-ups. I don't think HT has anything to do with memory since it only mimics dual CPU's, but I could be wrong.

I just noticed your last sentence about browsing when it seems to happen. What browser are you using? If other than IE, it could be something odd going on with HT and some unusual browser type (Opera, Firebird, etc). Or, could be browser support software doing it like any software firewall, or other apps in your system tray. Maybe even some usual AV software. Disable ALL of these if any and see what happens. Also, if you're on a dialup, or are using software with your broadband, that may possibly be doing it. You don't need ISP software with broadband, and even on a dialup 99% of the time you don't need it. Also don't rule out any drivers for any broadband modem (if internal or USB since Ethernet doesn't need drivers).


Can't answer your question now though. As we all know, PC hardware acts "possessed" on many occasions. USB sucks anyway, too many CPU resources and memory usage. You're much better off with Ethernet anyway, and now you can get a router with a built in firewall and share the DSL or cable (if it's broadband, you still haven't said). If I had to guess, I'd say it could be the USB drivers, firmware upgrade needed, ISP software like I mentioned, or mobo's USB drivers not installed correctly. Did you check to see if you have any yellow marks in the DM for the USB entries? They are "errored" and yellow by default on this mobo and XP, you have to manually go in there and reinstall the USB drivers (1.1 and or 2.0) to get rid of the yellow mark(s), and at least SP1 must be installed for USB 2.0 support to get rid of any yellow marks for USB 2.0 entries or "Enhanced USB" which is the same thing. Could also be "Legacy USB" in the BIOS being enabled, or being disabled if it has to be enabled.
 

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Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: senior guy
No BIOS version will allow you to realize ATA/133 (UDMA 6) from the ICH5/ICH5R SouthBridge. The problem here isn't that Asus removed that support in v1014, but that they finally corrected the erroneous impression of that support. While v1011 and earlier BIOS's mistakingly indicated ATA/133 (UDMA 6) support, they were never capable of running beyond ATA/100 (based on Intel's ICH5/ICH5R specs)! Asus must have eventually realized this, correcting v1014 and subsequent BIOS's to reflect the true capability of the SouthBridge.

So for ATA/133 (UCMA 6) support, you need to use the Promise Controller (and always had to)!
Where did you get this info from, and can you elaborate on it please? Why would a "Mercedes" of motherboards not have UDMA 6 support, not even for SATA drives? I know there is no UDMA 6 support for the Native IDE, since they are only ATA100 and not ATA133, but I don't understand this as far as the Native SATA controller goes because the SATA150 protocol is UDMA 6.
Thanks.
Senior Guy are you still around?
 

TheMoFo

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Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: TheMoFo
Ok well I had people telling me it was a chip, mobo , or memory. For some reason I was unconvinced since it happened mostly when I was surfing. Well my solution came by process of elimination. I had a usb modem, hooked it up via ethernet port, and wallah, no Errors!!! Now my question is why would hyperthreading enabled have any effect on the usb modem. I figured it was the drivers, but why with HT enabled only?

And thanks for everyone who responded with suggestions.
No, now I mentioned hardware to check, I even mentioned a USB modem! (Hee He).
Then if you've got it narrowed down to HT being enabled, that would mean probably one or two things; CPU is bad (if it's still doing this at default bus and voltage), or mobo screwed up. I'd try and flash/reflash the BIOS first, and if it still does it, I'd consider RMA'ing the CPU. This is IF you're positive it's not a piece of software or driver doing this. It is possible that HT could be "doing something strange" with a specific driver or software type. The only way to rule that out would be to try and use it a while and do what was duplicating the errors/crashes with NO software installed, nor any drivers. Hopefully you know how to duplicate the error or it happens very quickly, then you test this theory out on a bare bones install. Of course if the error is happening only when you do specific things, it may not be the CPU or mobo, but could be the certain app you may have open while getting the screw-ups. I don't think HT has anything to do with memory since it only mimics dual CPU's, but I could be wrong.

I just noticed your last sentence about browsing when it seems to happen. What browser are you using? If other than IE, it could be something odd going on with HT and some unusual browser type (Opera, Firebird, etc). Or, could be browser support software doing it like any software firewall, or other apps in your system tray. Maybe even some usual AV software. Disable ALL of these if any and see what happens. Also, if you're on a dialup, or are using software with your broadband, that may possibly be doing it. You don't need ISP software with broadband, and even on a dialup 99% of the time you don't need it. Also don't rule out any drivers for any broadband modem (if internal or USB since Ethernet doesn't need drivers).


Can't answer your question now though. As we all know, PC hardware acts "possessed" on many occasions. USB sucks anyway, too many CPU resources and memory usage. You're much better off with Ethernet anyway, and now you can get a router with a built in firewall and share the DSL or cable (if it's broadband, you still haven't said). If I had to guess, I'd say it could be the USB drivers, firmware upgrade needed, ISP software like I mentioned, or mobo's USB drivers not installed correctly. Did you check to see if you have any yellow marks in the DM for the USB entries? They are "errored" and yellow by default on this mobo and XP, you have to manually go in there and reinstall the USB drivers (1.1 and or 2.0) to get rid of the yellow mark(s), and at least SP1 must be installed for USB 2.0 support to get rid of any yellow marks for USB 2.0 entries or "Enhanced USB" which is the same thing. Could also be "Legacy USB" in the BIOS being enabled, or being disabled if it has to be enabled.

Ahhhh...I guess I should have read it more thoroughly. I was too busy banging my head on the wall. I wasn't referring to this forum inparticular when I said everyone was saying it was hardware. The numbnuts at the local pc store, which I went in to buy fans and he asked me how it was running, told me it was 99.9% likely to be my ram...LoL..I knew he was wrong. Another forum I frequent said it was hardware, the ram guy at the corsair help forums said it indicated failing hardware. Forum after Forum thread said it was failing hardware..lol. I figured it had to do with either my IE6 my cable modem or something running in the background after loading windows. The thing that threw me off is that it didn't error with hyperthreading disabled.

All my usb drivers were installed. I manually installed them after upgrading to sp1. I tried it with legacy usb enabled and disabled. I tried it with usb 2.0, 1.1 ....LoL. I didn't have a problem with it on my AMD Asus A7n8x deluxe board. It's just a weird deal. But as you said computers are known to act possessed and to often defy logic.

I had a Linksys Befsx41 router on the way and knew I was going to have to switch it out anyway. My ISP is very picky, and I had to go through the red tape to get it activated. So I was kind of reluctant. I am more than happy with my new machine now :thumbsup: thanks for your time. I should frequent this forum more often. I am a guru3d regular and have only visited this forum a few times. It is always insightful. Thanks Again!
 

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Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: senior guy
No BIOS version will allow you to realize ATA/133 (UDMA 6) from the ICH5/ICH5R SouthBridge. The problem here isn't that Asus removed that support in v1014, but that they finally corrected the erroneous impression of that support. While v1011 and earlier BIOS's mistakingly indicated ATA/133 (UDMA 6) support, they were never capable of running beyond ATA/100 (based on Intel's ICH5/ICH5R specs)! Asus must have eventually realized this, correcting v1014 and subsequent BIOS's to reflect the true capability of the SouthBridge.

So for ATA/133 (UCMA 6) support, you need to use the Promise Controller (and always had to)!
Where did you get this info from, and can you elaborate on it please? Why would a "Mercedes" of motherboards not have UDMA 6 support, not even for SATA drives? I know there is no UDMA 6 support for the Native IDE, since they are only ATA100 and not ATA133, but I don't understand this as far as the Native SATA controller goes because the SATA150 protocol is UDMA 6.
Thanks.
Senior Guy are you still around?
Actually, I'm away from home - watching my son play in the college baseball super regionals. But I do have my notebook with me so I'm finally getting back to you (using Starbucks WiFi while enjoying a cup of java)! Apparently, there's a misunderstanding as to my remarks, so let me qualify them...

When speaking about the ICH5/ICH5R and HDD controllers, I should have clearly stated that my remarks were in regard to its IDE (PATA) controller specs (since that's where I thought the confusion was) and NOT the SATA controller specs. Using a PATA drive, the very best you can ever do with this controller is ATA/100. However, there is no question that its (independent) serial controller is capable of supporting ATA/150 and the Promise controller supports ATA/133 (for Maxtor ATA/133 HDDs). Of course it's doubtful that any PATA or SATA drives can fulfill their respective DMA specs (even for burst-transers)!

I hope that clears up any confusion.

:beer: cheers! ...SG
 

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Hey that's nice, what team is he on?

Yeah I knew that about the Native IDE controllers, if I remember correctly it has something to do with Intel chips not supporting ATA133/UDMA 6, or else they refuse to allow them to support ATA133/UDMA 6. But from what I understand about the BIOS v14 and after, there's no UDMA 6 support anywhere on the Native controllers, not the SATA ICH5 either. Their quote from the BIOS Readme is "Revise Ultra DMA Mode max limit (ultra DMA mode 6--->5) " , and since there never was any UDMA 6 for the Native (Intel) ATA controllers, that would have to only mean the SATA ICH5 controller went from UDMA 6 to UDMA 5. That's how I look at it at least since I use two UDMA 6 drives on mine, both on the Promise controller, and they both still state "UDMA 6" @boot and this is with BIOS 14 and 16.

In some tests I got peaks over 200mb/sec with the WD740 on the Promise controller (and over 2000MB/sec on buffered tests), but average and sustained are of course less. It still smokes the Native ICH5 though, and I can only attribute this to one or two of two things: massive buffering/caching by the Promise controller which the Native doesn't have, and/or, no UDMA 6 support.
 

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Ahhhh...I guess I should have read it more thoroughly. I was too busy banging my head on the wall. I wasn't referring to this forum inparticular when I said everyone was saying it was hardware. The numbnuts at the local pc store, which I went in to buy fans and he asked me how it was running, told me it was 99.9% likely to be my ram...LoL..I knew he was wrong. Another forum I frequent said it was hardware, the ram guy at the corsair help forums said it indicated failing hardware. Forum after Forum thread said it was failing hardware..lol. I figured it had to do with either my IE6 my cable modem or something running in the background after loading windows. The thing that threw me off is that it didn't error with hyperthreading disabled.

All my usb drivers were installed. I manually installed them after upgrading to sp1. I tried it with legacy usb enabled and disabled. I tried it with usb 2.0, 1.1 ....LoL. I didn't have a problem with it on my AMD Asus A7n8x deluxe board. It's just a weird deal. But as you said computers are known to act possessed and to often defy logic.

I had a Linksys Befsx41 router on the way and knew I was going to have to switch it out anyway. My ISP is very picky, and I had to go through the red tape to get it activated. So I was kind of reluctant. I am more than happy with my new machine now thanks for your time. I should frequent this forum more often. I am a guru3d regular and have only visited this forum a few times. It is always insightful. Thanks Again!
This forum is dead now, especially this thread. The only reason I'm still here is to try and help, but I'm going to have be "checking out soon". This thread alone was getting 25-40 posts a day. A BUNCH of people left when this forum's owners "felt the need to screw things up" with a "new look" that did away with several necessary needed features that many would not tolerate.

If you've also tried it with turning on only "2 USB ports" in the BIOS, it could be that your modem on USB just "doesn't like" this mobo for some reason. I couldn't do without my router, and your ISP doesn't know when you use one, nor should they care.
 

TheMoFo

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This forum is dead now, especially this thread. The only reason I'm still here is to try and help, but I'm going to have be "checking out soon". This thread alone was getting 25-40 posts a day. A BUNCH of people left when this forum's owners "felt the need to screw things up" with a "new look" that did away with several necessary needed features that many would not tolerate.

Actually they do know, everytime I change a piece of hardware I have to activate it via special website before I can access anything on the web, and then call in during business hours and give them the MAC Address or risk being shut off. Not that I really think they will shut down a paying customer, but my ISP is picky.

Well that sux, I joined a sinking ship...lol. Where has everyone migrated to? Different forums? TechIMO is a decent forum, I think. THG is ok. I really like Guru3d....any others that you suggest?
 

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Ho man, you need to get another ISP! They've got you on a leash and by the b*lls! :shocked: That's worse than XP Home telling M$ about every new piece of hardware you install! Are you in prison by any chance? ROTFLMAO!!! :laugh: Sounds like the kind of ISP some prisons have! Hee hee. Which Nazi....uhhhh, ISP do you use anyway?

Actually I don't belong to any other HW forums, so I can't say, sorry. I know Michael that used to be on this thread has a HW forum, but I can't recall the name. His name here is Xeon, so maybe you can PM him if he's still around and still a member here. Jhites (John) knows his stuff too and he's been really active prior to the changes, but I think he went the way of most others. SeniorGuy is another, but he hasn't been around much lately either. I'll be around for a few more days or a week or so and I'll watch posts.
 

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LmAo..Well I was kind of leary when my first bill arrived it and had a nazi insignia on it. The fact that you have to register every piece of hardware,(I had to activate the modem when I changed it from usb to ethernet, I had to do it all over again the next day when I set up my router), is supposed to keep people from stealing their services...LoL I dunno...It's insightbb...it's a med-large communications company that overcharges their customers for tv and internet services. If it wasn't for the cut in bandwidth I would say to hell with them and do the dsl thing

Here are the steps needed to activate a new comp...

http://help.insightbb.com/account/device_change.shtml

Here is the steps needed to change your modem

http://help.insightbb.com/account/modem_change.shtml

*think those are copy and paste in your browser*

** Insight Broadband is a secure Internet service. In order to help protect our customers from unauthorized access of our network, and to guarantee the best possible service and support for Insight Broadband users, we do monitor our network. We DO NOT monitor the data that is transmitted by our customers. In the interest of Internet security, we do monitor the network devices that are connected to our network to prevent unauthorized access to the Insight Broadband Internet service. This helps to safeguard all of our customers.

The recording of the MAC address into the Insight Broadband database will also allow our Customer Care employees to better troubleshoot future issues that you may have with your Internet connection. As stated above, we DO NOT monitor the data that is being transmitted. We are able to monitor the cable modem's power levels to detect problems when troubleshooting issues, and Insight Broadband is also able to verify the quality of the service that you are receiving through your cable connection. This allows Insight Broadband's employees to fix issues before they are even noticed by our customers.

It is required that the MAC address information of a newly connected cable modem be reported to Insight Broadband before or immediately after connecting the cable modem to our network. This can be accomplished very easily by calling your local Insight Broadband Customer Care office. By doing this, you will eliminate the chance of having your account suspended due to the discovery of a new device on our network.

This "two-step" registration system was designed to provide better security to our customers, and to allow our customers to obtain the optimal service level that is obtainable with a high-speed broadband connection.

I like where they state several times...WE DO NOT MONITOR THE DATA OUR CUSTOMERS TRANSMIT...LOL...so it's not quite as bad as it seems. They actually had a software release awhile back that was supposed to help their techs monitor problems with our connections...I sure as hell didn't download it, to my knowledge anyway..LoL...They may have put it on my machine for me. I reformat so often, use adaware, and check msconfig for running processes...haven't found anything suspicious yet..but ya they have me by the bawlz..LoL
 

senior guy

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Originally posted by: computer
Hey that's nice, what team is he on?
Cal State Fullerton


...since there never was any UDMA 6 for the Native (Intel) ATA controllers, that would have to only mean the SATA ICH5 controller went from UDMA 6 to UDMA 5. That's how I look at it at least since I use two UDMA 6 drives on mine, both on the Promise controller, and they both still state "UDMA 6" @boot and this is with BIOS 14 and 16.
I don't accept your conclusion that 'the ICH5's SATA controller went from UDMA 6 to UDMA 5', but it's certainly not surprising that your drives run at DMA 6 on the Promise controller.


In some tests I got peaks over 200mb/sec with the WD740 on the Promise controller (and over 2000MB/sec on buffered tests), but average and sustained are of course less. It still smokes the Native ICH5 though, and I can only attribute this to one or two of two things: massive buffering/caching by the Promise controller which the Native doesn't have, and/or, no UDMA 6 support.
I've noticed similar resuts and have concluded that the Promise controller is simply superior to the ICH5's controller!

:beer: cheers! ...SG
 

computer

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Good-luck to your son!

I don't accept your conclusion that 'the ICH5's SATA controller went from UDMA 6 to UDMA 5', but it's certainly not surprising that your drives run at DMA 6 on the Promise controller.
Dude it's not my conclusion but a fact. Read the BIOS text file, that's what I pasted above, a direct quote from the Asus BIOS ROM file's Readme text. Plus, in the BIOS itself you'll only see a max of UDMA 5 for an SATA drive on the ICH5 with post v14 BIOS's. No UDMA 6.

Yep, the only times I saw the ICH5 was faster was on a few AVERAGE results which were only about 1-2mb faster. Promise won out overall due to extremely high max rates.
 
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