*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[jhites]

Originally posted by: Obelix
Thanks jhites. I am unable to do what you can do or get from your boards. My setting for memory is 2-3-2-5. I set all settting as you suggested and it locks up/hangs right after reboot. I can't get my FSB to anything higher than 209. Performance mode is set to Standard and Performance Acceleration mode is Enable. I am not really into overclocking but it would be nice to use my ram at 2-2-2-5 for best performance. Thanks.

Have you tried to run Performance Mode and Performance Acceleration set to Auto or Disabled to see what you would get for comparisons. When I first put my systems together, I boot straight into MemTest86 before I even load the OS. Run many tests this way and continue to tweak the timings and fsb along the way. I also pay attention to the memtest memory bandwidth in the upper left corner of the screen. It will give you a reading of Mb/sec and it is amazing what cas to ras at 2 will give you in comparison to 3.

 

[Obelix]

Hi jhites. I don't have the options to disable the performance mode or performance accelerator mode. I set both to auto and could not boot up with FSB higher than 208. System hangs after rebooting and got overclocking failure error message. So the best performance i can get right now out my setup is 2-3-2-5 at default clock speed for both cpu (200) and ram (400). Performance acc. mode set to enable and performance mode set to Standard. It's strange that you can get more from your setup. Boot directly to memtest with 2-3-2-5 setup and i got 2435mb/s for my ram. Thanks.

 

[jhites]

Different chips and Mem. Luck of the draw as usually.

My 2.8C running (1:1) gets 2870MB/s in MemTest86.

How about a VMem Mod?

 

[psibermage]

I have a question about the 4 dimm slots, on the asus page, it listed qualified vendors for memory and how much dimms it can hold, the only one that pricked my eye from that list was Winbond, my question is, would 4x512mb 3200DDR of Winbond memory in each dimm slot be stable? I also am wondering if the Corsair Kingston 3200 would work just as fine, since its cheaper, but Corsair isn't on the qualified vendor list, so I'm not sure if 4x512mb of Corsair in each dimm would work properly, any one have any ideas??

 

[Obelix]

Hi jhites. Did you set your memory speed at 400 or 320 when overclocking? On my setup, if the memory is set at 400 then i can't go beyond 208 for cpu bus speed. If I lower my ram fsb to 320 then I can overclock my cpu fsb to 225 and haven't tried anything higher but my Sandra memory bandwith dropped significantly ( about 500 points at least and my cpu is up to 3.2ghz instead of the original 2.8C Ghz. Thanks.

 

[jhites]

The memory bench would be lower unless you could run some really tight timings to offset the memory speed. At 400(1:1) with 208fsb(2912Mhz) your mem is running DDR416 but with 320(5:4) with 225fsb(3150Mhz) your mem is only running DDR360. That is why most ppl use a 2.6C to get the lower multipier. My 2.6C setup runs 320(5:4) with 261fsb(3393Mhz) DDR418 @ 2-2-2-5 (Kingston HyperX3500 CL2). My 2.8C setup runs 400(1:1) with 236fsb(3304Mhz) DDR472 @ 2.5-3-3-7 (TwinMos PC3700 CL2.5). The 2.6C system is faster than the 2.8C system.

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: psibermage
I have a question about the 4 dimm slots, on the asus page, it listed qualified vendors for memory and how much dimms it can hold, the only one that pricked my eye from that list was Winbond, my question is, would 4x512mb 3200DDR of Winbond memory in each dimm slot be stable? I also am wondering if the Corsair Kingston 3200 would work just as fine, since its cheaper, but Corsair isn't on the qualified vendor list, so I'm not sure if 4x512mb of Corsair in each dimm would work properly, any one have any ideas??

Really depends on what speed and timings you are planning on running. The winbond BH-5 modules have performed the best with lower timings. Many of the Mfg's are using the BH5 chips on their ram including Corsair. Why on earth are you wanting to run 2Gig of ram? You running 2 instances of encoding DivX or something.

 

[Obelix]

Hi jhites. Thanks for all the helps and explanations. I think I understand how things work now when tweaking with this setup.

 

[LotusNotesGuy]

I just purchased P4C800-E Deluxe. Should be here in a week or so.

I am reviewing the thread for memory comments before I order on what works and doesnt work from peoples experience?

I had two other questions also:

Looking for more comments/info on people using pc3500,or pc3700, or pc4000?

I see Kingston has some reasonably priced 3700 and 4000 memory among others:
kingston link pc3700 and pc4000 link

Also opinons on what p4's overclock the best with this board?

 

[jhites]

I believe that the PC4000 chips are just tested with relaxed timings but the verdict is still out. I have tried PC3700 and it did not perform any better than my HyperX PC3500 rated (2-3-3-7-1T). Most of the mfg's are shifting to the CH5 winbond chips for the 3700/4000. The BH5 winbond is still getting better timings. Basically, CH5=higher bus/higher timings and BH5=lower bus/tighter timings. I have been running the HyperX on my P4C800-Dlx at DDR420 2-2-2-5 with 2.85vdimm.

The OCZ Gold has also been getting some very good results from many ppl.

 

[LotusNotesGuy]

hmm, well then I am wondering if this board is much faster than my Gigabyte(850E chipset) rdram mb (8IHXP) with 1066 samsung rdram then.

My memory benchmark is around 3000-3300 mb ( and up, and I saw someone earlier only got in the 28xx-29xx with this asus board, and the gigabyte board is over a year old now.

That would suck.

I was investigating whether I could run PC1200 rdram instead of my 1066 (or o/c) it on the gigabyte board, if I did, it would still run alot faster than this asus board it sounds like unless I am missing something here.

My process is a p4 2.4 533fsb. I need to also see if the gigabyte board will run the 800fsb.

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: LotusNotesGuy
My memory benchmark is around 300003300 mb ( and up, and I saw someone earlier only got in the 28xx-29xx with this asus board, and the gigabyte board is over a year old now.
My process is a p4 2.4 533fsb. I need to also see if the gigabyte board will run the 800fsb.

What is 300003300. The 28-29xx would be about right if someone was not running dual channel. Dual Channel would be in the 57-63xx range. The 8IHXP would not support HT in the new 800fsb chips and would also not support dual channel. You could run your 2.4/2.53 in the P4C800 with dual channel but again you would not have HT. I will see if I can find the thread on ppl running the 533fsb chips on the new 875 chipset and post a link for you if you are interested.

 

[LotusNotesGuy]

its 3000-3300, typo!

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: LotusNotesGuy
its 3000-3300, typo!

I knew that - I was just kidding.

IC7 with 2.4b

 

[rhawk79]

Originally posted by: LotusNotesGuy
its 3000-3300, typo!

I can give you a little personal experience to help answer your questions. A month ago I upgraded from the Gigabyte GA-8IHXP, P4 2.4B, 512MB Kingston PC1066 to the P4C800-E Deluxe, P4 3.0C, 512MB OCZ PC3700 Gold. So naturally I had to run some benchmarking comparisons.

Gigabyte System @ 133 fsb, p4 2.4b...pcmark 2002:

cpu: 5763
mem: 6372

New system, fsb @ 200, p4 3.0c, ddr400:

cpu: 7479
mem: 9699......so we can see here that at stock speeds it's no contest

New system, fsb @ 160, p4 3.0c @ 2.4, ddr333:

cpu: 5978
mem: 9048......now with the cpu's at identical speeds, the new system just barely wins but the memory score is still much higher

New system, fsb @ 133, p4 3.0c @ 2.0, ddr333:

cpu: 4987
mem: 7766......now with the fsb's at identical speeds, the new system still has better memory bandwidth @ ddr333

For shits and giggles: New system, fsb @ 100, p4 3.0c @ 1.5, ddr266:

cpu: 3742
mem: 6130......even at an fsb of 100 and ddr266 the memory score is still on par with the I850E rambus system.

My previous system was by no means a slouch...but the upgrades have most certainly made it faster.

 

[keird]

Hi. I have a P4C800-E Deluxe and had a question concerning the RAID controller. I've tried installing the 378RAID file from Asus, but Windows doesn't like it. It states (under the device manager) 'The component is not working (error #10).' I should note that I get a message after booting that the Promise Fastrak is searching for the IDE drives. Then a 'Bios not loaded' message when it can't find them. It boots to Windows XP and does fine, it seems. I'm using a couple of Raptor 36.7GB SATA HD drives and have the 1010 bios. That is the only problem I've had with this board. Any ideas how to get the RAID controller driver installed?

p.s. I got an Intel P4C 2.4 up to 3.544GHz! I might be able to get a little higher, too. Currently running 2x512MB Corsair Twin 3200 DDR SDRAM. Sorry, had to get that in.

 

[walk2]

I just purchased a P4C800-E Deluxe. I'm upgrading from AMD 1.4 using Windows XP Home ed.

I went to Asus.com to d/l all the drivers, bios etc... WOW there are a lot of files.

Which drivers do I need to install and which does WinXP support natively?

I will be using the ATA100 but not RAID or SATA. I will use onboard sound and LAN also.

Also what kind of luck do you think I will have just plug-n-play, ie without re-installing windows? I've had luck with this before on Win98 but haven't done it on XP, how good is the PnP of XP will it pick up the new hardware ok? I really don't want to reinstall windows...

 

[LotusNotesGuy]

But what about pc1200 in this gigabyte 850e board ,. or its1066 samsung ram o/c to 1200, compared to this asus 875p deluxe e board?

Did any of you try that secret overclocking menu they enabled in bios versions F7 and F8? :clock:

 

[LotusNotesGuy]

Kingston 500MHz DDR




Kingston Technology yesterday began offering memory modules based on 466MHz and 500MHz DDR SDRAM.

Built to meet PC4000 specifications, is the first of its kind supposedly.

The lower-clocked part is a PC3700 module. DDR is usually clocked to 400MHz for inclusion in PC3200 modules. Kingston already offers 434MHz, PC3500 modules it said.


Some motherboards may not operate at the published HyperX memory speeds and timing settings, Kingston said, and the new modules are compatible with ASUS and ABIT mobos.

So what is the fastest memory I should buy for an Asus P4CP8-E Deluxe??
the fastest I see listed is only PC3200, but I thought I read people were at least using PC3500. What about even higher, like pc3700 and up???


mmmmmmmmm, I can feel the power crackling at my fingertips!!!:beer:

:sun:

 

[bawaji]

Deleted: Wrong forum! Coffee time!

 

[MahjonggMastah]

Alright I've had it. After months of using a stick (that's right, a single stick - 512 MB) of Corsair PC2700 (that's right, 333 MHz) RAM, I've decided I need to jump on the dual channel, 400 MHz train. I was planning on buying the Twin Pack Corsair 1 GB PC3200 C2PT, but the prices just went up by like $80 in the past 2 weeks. SO, now that pretty much all twin packs of PC3200 memory are essentially the same, what do you guys suggest? Here are my current possibilities:

Mushkin Level I PC3500 2-3-3-7 for $288
Corsair XMS PC3200 2-3-3-6 for $260
Kingston HyperX PC3200 2-3-2-6 for $260

(all of these will be matched pairs of 512 MB each - 1 GB total)

Any other suggestions, or comments on these? Also, if you could hook me up with some linkage, that would be awesome. In case you're wondering, here's the rest of my system. Thanks guys!

Pentium 4 3.00c
Asus P4C800 Deluxe
VisionTek Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB
1 x 512 MB Corsair XMS PC2700 2-2-2-5
1 x Maxtor 80 GB with 8 MB cache
Antec TruePower 430W power supply
Windows XP Pro SP2

 

[davidgp]

Originally posted by: keird
Hi. I have a P4C800-E Deluxe and had a question concerning the RAID controller. I've tried installing the 378RAID file from Asus, but Windows doesn't like it. It states (under the device manager) 'The component is not working (error #10).' I should note that I get a message after booting that the Promise Fastrak is searching for the IDE drives. Then a 'Bios not loaded' message when it can't find them. It boots to Windows XP and does fine, it seems. I'm using a couple of Raptor 36.7GB SATA HD drives and have the 1010 bios. That is the only problem I've had with this board. Any ideas how to get the RAID controller driver installed?

p.s. I got an Intel P4C 2.4 up to 3.544GHz! I might be able to get a little higher, too. Currently running 2x512MB Corsair Twin 3200 DDR SDRAM. Sorry, had to get that in.

Reading your message seems to me that you have your two disks conected to the intel s-ata controller, if you want to use raid on it, since you have p4c800-e deluxe you can use the intel s-ata controller like a raid ide controller... the promise controller is working ok, if the promise doesn't detect any ide driver, it doesn't install the bios in the memory so to Windows XP is like there is no promise controller and that is why you see the message: The component is no working. If you are not using the promise controller you can disable it in the bios.

Davidgp

 

[Almighty1]

Originally posted by: davidgp

Originally posted by: keird
Hi. I have a P4C800-E Deluxe and had a question concerning the RAID controller. I've tried installing the 378RAID file from Asus, but Windows doesn't like it. It states (under the device manager) 'The component is not working (error #10).' I should note that I get a message after booting that the Promise Fastrak is searching for the IDE drives. Then a 'Bios not loaded' message when it can't find them. It boots to Windows XP and does fine, it seems. I'm using a couple of Raptor 36.7GB SATA HD drives and have the 1010 bios. That is the only problem I've had with this board. Any ideas how to get the RAID controller driver installed?

p.s. I got an Intel P4C 2.4 up to 3.544GHz! I might be able to get a little higher, too. Currently running 2x512MB Corsair Twin 3200 DDR SDRAM. Sorry, had to get that in.

Reading your message seems to me that you have your two disks conected to the intel s-ata controller, if you want to use raid on it, since you have p4c800-e deluxe you can use the intel s-ata controller like a raid ide controller... the promise controller is working ok, if the promise doesn't detect any ide driver, it doesn't install the bios in the memory so to Windows XP is like there is no promise controller and that is why you see the message: The component is no working. If you are not using the promise controller you can disable it in the bios.

Davidgp

Actually, isn't it the other way around? I have no SATA drives at all but I have both the Promise in RAID mode and the onboard Intel SATA Controller BIOS enabled. The Promise BIOS comes up and scans no drives during POST but it will install the Promise RAID controller driver in Windows. The Intel SATA controller BIOS doesn't show up at all in the POST, does it only show up when there are drives connected to it, even a single one? Can someone give me some pointers on overclocking, like which things do I need to overclock since I have 4x Dell Dimension XPS's OEMed Hynix PC3200 DDR400 matched 512MB 3-3-3 sticks. I'm running it at 3-3-3-7-8 now with Performance mode Turbo and Performance Acceleration Mode Turbo. Which one of these is PAT? I'm using a P4C-3.2Ghz with a Zalman CNPS-7000Cu cooler which is doing 33c idle/40c full load, what things can I try to play around with and what settings should I try? This is on a P4C800-E Deluxe. BTW, ASUS Germany has 1011 Beta 1 of the BIOS out. Thanks.

 

[egale]

PAT can not be turned on or off in the bios. Those performance settings are not PAT but rather memory related. What they do is try and reduce latency settings somewhere (not sure exactly). If you turn them both off, you may find you have better performance as they have been know to degrade more than enhance and cause system instability to boot!

I have Corsair Twinx1024 3200LL and the best I can do timing wise is 2-3-3-8-8. I can't get near the 2-3-2-6 it is supposed to do. You should raise the vdimm voltage to 2.75, turn off USB legacy support and turn off the turbo modes. After that you slowly start tightening the memory settings and hope for the best. Whenever you go to far, you get the bios corrupted problem and have to go resetting it.

Also, you will see the biggest gains in performance by raising the fsb than playing with memory settings.

 

[davidgp]

Originally posted by: Almighty1


Actually, isn't it the other way around? I have no SATA drives at all but I have both the Promise in RAID mode and the onboard Intel SATA Controller BIOS enabled. The Promise BIOS comes up and scans no drives during POST but it will install the Promise RAID controller driver in Windows. The Intel SATA controller BIOS doesn't show up at all in the POST, does it only show up when there are drives connected to it, even a single one? Can someone give me some pointers on overclocking, like which things do I need to overclock since I have 4x Dell Dimension XPS's OEMed Hynix PC3200 DDR400 matched 512MB 3-3-3 sticks. I'm running it at 3-3-3-7-8 now with Performance mode Turbo and Performance Acceleration Mode Turbo. Which one of these is PAT? I'm using a P4C-3.2Ghz with a Zalman CNPS-7000Cu cooler which is doing 33c idle/40c full load, what things can I try to play around with and what settings should I try? This is on a P4C800-E Deluxe. BTW, ASUS Germany has 1011 Beta 1 of the BIOS out. Thanks.

The two SATA conectors of the intel controller are showed in the bios like Third Master channel and Third Slave channel... if you don't have any kind of device connected to the intel SATA controller no message about it will be showed in the POST messages of the bios, but the controller is enable since it's the same that controller that is used to enable the two PATA intel controllers.