*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[computer]

I don't yet have the mobo, so all I can tell you now is that you want to use the ICH5R connectors first since they are not strangled by the PCI bus. They are going to have more performance than the other SATA connectors.

 

[DAVIDS]

Originally posted by: Shagga
This might be me but I'm finding the Manual a little confusing to be honest and would appreciate some guidance if possible.

I have 3 SATA hard Drives. 2 36GB WD Raptors which will form the RAID 0 setup and 1 200GB Maxtor Plus9 which is also SATA but will be a storage drive.

There are 4 No. SATA connectors on my motherboard. 2 are referenced as SATA_RAID1 and SATA_RAID2 and the other 2 are SATA1 and SATA2. Logic would dictate that the Raptors go on the SATA_RAID connectors and this is what I have done. However, it appears that for this RAID 0 setup it is function of the on-board Promise controller. The RAID support for the SATA1 and SATA2 connections is through the ICH5R chipset. Now I understand this and understand how to set this up in the BIOS (which is V1011).

What I do not understand is that the ?Manual? suggests if I?m reading it correctly that to setup a RAID 0 configuration using SATA drives I should use the ICH5R chipset which is okay, but that means that my SATA Raptors connects to the SATA1 and SATA2 ports on the motherboard and not the SATA_RAID1 and SATA_RAID2 ports as logic would tell ya, or not as the case may be.

So, I guess what I?m asking is this. In the first instance am I better running RAID 0 using the onboard Promise controller or indeed the support given by the ICH5R chipset. And on the basis I am running RAID 0 on SATA does it really matter that it isn't running on ICH5R??

On another note, do I have to install IAA at the time of installing the OS using the F6 method or is there another way. When I try to install IAA as you normally do within WinXP I get an error say "chipset not supported" to words top that effect.

What a tangled wed we weave.

Thanks ppl

Some people are running RAID 0 on the Promise controller and getting good results. I'm using the ICH5R for my RAID setup because, as another person mentioned, you avoid any possible PCI bottlenecks.

The IAA is installed AFTER you've finished installing your OS. During the F6 process, you need to have a floppy with either the Promise or Intel RAID drivers, depending on which controller you plan to use. If you're going to use the Promise controller, then you won't need the IAA which is specifically designed to support the ICH5R.

 

[Shagga]

Originally posted by: DAVIDS

Originally posted by: Shagga
This might be me but I'm finding the Manual a little confusing to be honest and would appreciate some guidance if possible.

I have 3 SATA hard Drives. 2 36GB WD Raptors which will form the RAID 0 setup and 1 200GB Maxtor Plus9 which is also SATA but will be a storage drive.

There are 4 No. SATA connectors on my motherboard. 2 are referenced as SATA_RAID1 and SATA_RAID2 and the other 2 are SATA1 and SATA2. Logic would dictate that the Raptors go on the SATA_RAID connectors and this is what I have done. However, it appears that for this RAID 0 setup it is function of the on-board Promise controller. The RAID support for the SATA1 and SATA2 connections is through the ICH5R chipset. Now I understand this and understand how to set this up in the BIOS (which is V1011).

What I do not understand is that the ?Manual? suggests if I?m reading it correctly that to setup a RAID 0 configuration using SATA drives I should use the ICH5R chipset which is okay, but that means that my SATA Raptors connects to the SATA1 and SATA2 ports on the motherboard and not the SATA_RAID1 and SATA_RAID2 ports as logic would tell ya, or not as the case may be.

So, I guess what I?m asking is this. In the first instance am I better running RAID 0 using the onboard Promise controller or indeed the support given by the ICH5R chipset. And on the basis I am running RAID 0 on SATA does it really matter that it isn't running on ICH5R??

On another note, do I have to install IAA at the time of installing the OS using the F6 method or is there another way. When I try to install IAA as you normally do within WinXP I get an error say "chipset not supported" to words top that effect.

What a tangled wed we weave.

Thanks ppl

Some people are running RAID 0 on the Promise controller and getting good results. I'm using the ICH5R for my RAID setup because, as another person mentioned, you avoid any possible PCI bottlenecks.

The IAA is installed AFTER you've finished installing your OS. During the F6 process, you need to have a floppy with either the Promise or Intel RAID drivers, depending on which controller you plan to use. If you're going to use the Promise controller, then you won't need the IAA which is specifically designed to support the ICH5R.

Thanks for that. I have just got it sorted and i'm running RAID 0 under the ICH5R controller. I couldn't get IAA to install so I did a complete new installation of WinXP which is a pain but there you go.

All I need now is some benchmarks to compare against....

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: computer
I don't yet have the mobo, so all I can tell you now is that you want to use the ICH5R connectors first since they are not strangled by the PCI bus. They are going to have more performance than the other SATA connectors.

Are you are suggesting that by using the ICH5 or ICH5R IDE connectors you avoid the PCI bus? If so, that's simply incorrect. It is true that the ICH5?s hub interface architecture has an improved 'arbitrator' to balance I/O subsystem, PCI and other integrated I/O (SATA, IDE, AC ?97, USB, etc.), to receive the necessary bandwidth for optimal performance.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: senior guy

Originally posted by: computer
I don't yet have the mobo, so all I can tell you now is that you want to use the ICH5R connectors first since they are not strangled by the PCI bus. They are going to have more performance than the other SATA connectors.

Are you are suggesting that by using the ICH5 or ICH5R IDE connectors you avoid the PCI bus? If so, that's simply incorrect. It is true that the ICH5?s hub interface architecture has an improved 'arbitrator' to balance I/O subsystem, PCI and other integrated I/O (SATA, IDE, AC ?97, USB, etc.), to receive the necessary bandwidth for optimal performance.

Yes I think that you may be thinking of the CSA Gigabyte Lan.

CSA GigaLAN is a technique that removes LAN from the PCI bus and gives it a dedicated ?Communication Bus? away from potential PCI bottlenecks.

Happy o'clocking!

 

[computer]

Are you are suggesting that by using the ICH5 or ICH5R IDE connectors you avoid the PCI bus? If so, that's simply incorrect. It is true that the ICH5?s hub interface architecture has an improved 'arbitrator' to balance I/O subsystem, PCI and other integrated I/O (SATA, IDE, AC ?97, USB, etc.), to receive the necessary bandwidth for optimal performance.

No, that's two totally different things. The ICH5R is not on the PCI bus but the ICH5 is. The P4C800 Deluxe had no ICH5R controller. The P4C800-E Deluxe does. I believe the ICH5 controller is limited to 133mb/sec and the ICH5R is limited to 266mb/sec. Right? Or am I thinking about only the Promise SATA controller (or Si3112A with other mobo's)? I know the Promise & 3112a are on the PCI bus, and I believe the ICH5 is as well. ? At any rate, I know the ICH5R is not limited to the PCI bus.

 

[Entragian]

So I picked up a P4C800E-Deluxe the other day, along with a P4 2.8c and some cheap corsair PC3200 memory.

I have been looking through these threads for ideas and does/don'ts for the whole overclocking procedure.
I jump into BIOS and start changing some setting, slowly at first so that I don't royally screw myself over. So far, so good BTW....

Here is what I have done:
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU External Mhz = 250
DRam Frequency = 320 ( 5:4 )
Vcore = 1.675
Performance Mode = Standard

So, my Memory is running at 400Mhz, my system is running at 3500Mhz ( 3.6Ghz ) and everything is pretty good.. Except.... Oh yea, there is a "but"

Before I even touched my Vcore.. My ethernet connection was slow as can be. I raised it a bit and it seemed to get faster... Example..
Default Vcore = 50 Kilobits/Sec ACK!!!
Vcore of 1.675 = 500+ Kilobits/Sec Ok, this is better. but it should be double that for my cable...

Is there something I am missing? Is this a fluke? I don't understand why raising my Vcore is affecting my on-board LAN

/scratching his head.....


As it stands....
2.8Ghz --- Core Speed 3500.2 MHz = 35c idle
Memory set 5:4 ( 320 ) running 200 MHz (400 MHz) Mem set 2.5, 4, 4, 8 ( not sure if I can mess with this )
FSB set 250 - Bus Speed 1000.1 MHz
just updated BIOS to 1011

So.. to sum up everything above....
Why is my on-board LAN acting shady?!?!? my second puter on the network scores twice what this does and its a slower machine.

 

[DAVIDS]

Originally posted by: Entragian
Before I even touched my Vcore.. My ethernet connection was slow as can be. I raised it a bit and it seemed to get faster... Example..
Default Vcore = 50 Kilobits/Sec ACK!!!
Vcore of 1.675 = 500+ Kilobits/Sec Ok, this is better. but it should be double that for my cable...

Is there something I am missing? Is this a fluke? I don't understand why raising my Vcore is affecting my on-board LAN.

Make sure you're using a straight-through and not a crossover CAT5 cable for your LAN. Also, check to see if you have the latest driver for the Intel Pro/1000. You can update the driver in Device Manager.

 

[MikEHunT2]

I too use the same mobo P4C800-E Deluxe, but how do you manually alter the FSB?
Can u tell me where and what to alter?
Even when i enter the manual bit of AI, i cannot see anything to alter?
My CPU External frequency always stays at 200, and i cannot alter this whatsoever?
So basically, i cannot overclock using manual settings.

 

[laggerez]

where do I set the dram to fsb ratio i don't see it in the bios and at 250 fsb my ocz 4000 gold (ddr500) still reports as 400 mhz on boot manual settings or 30% ai settings

TIA

 

[computer]

Sorry I can't say since I don't have the mobo yet, but please post how it works out for you since that is the exact memory I may get to use on the E-Deluxe.

 

[laggerez]

I can oc the fsb to 250 x 4 no problem but the bios reports on the boot screen that the ram is at 400 .. I really want to get the bandwidth I paid for and I can not find out how to force the 1: 1 ratio anyone ??? please ??

 

[MikEHunT2]

You are the lucky one!
I too have 1Gb OCZ PC4000 Gold memory, but if i use AI and goto 30%, my memory runs at 3:2 and hance only 173.5 Mhz ffs.
There is a way of doing this, but how the hell i dont know.
How do we change FSB manually?
How do i make sure ratio of 1:1 stays??

 

[DAVIDS]

Originally posted by: MikEHunT2
You are the lucky one!
I too have 1Gb OCZ PC4000 Gold memory, but if i use AI and goto 30%, my memory runs at 3:2 and hance only 173.5 Mhz ffs.
There is a way of doing this, but how the hell i dont know.
How do we change FSB manually?
How do i make sure ratio of 1:1 stays??

You change the FSB (CPU External Frequency) manually by using the + and - keys on your keyboard. Setting the DRAM Frequency at 400 will give you a 1:1 ratio. Setting it at 320 gives you 5:4, etc.

 

[Entragian]

UPDATE:

I was having problems with my LAN when I had FSB set to 250... browsing the posts here. I noticed someone else was hitting a bottleneck at 245.
So I lowered my CPU External MHz to 245 and Kazaam... My LAN is back to where it should be.
So instead of 3500 I am running 3430.. Memory running 392MHz instead of 400... I can live with that!

 

[MikEHunT2]

Hooray! lol.
For some reason, in my BIOS with my keyboard, the + and - on the top row of the keyboard does nothing at all.
This, i had tried many times before. So, with you saying that is what you have to do, i rebooted and tried again.
Nothing!
BUT, thinking as fast as i do (tortoise), i used the + and - from the keypad end of the keyboard and voila!
Wonderful.
250 FSB, 3.0 Ghz from me 2.4C, /me is one happy bunny.
Now i am off to test it and see if it will remain stable
Thanks for the help.

 

[MikEHunT2]

Right, some benchmarks later...............................
Very good indeed but, not quite as good as some of these here:
Anandtech DDR 500 Memory Roundup
And a lot of memory on there is supposedly not as good as my
1Gb OCZ PC4000 Gold Dual Channel stuff, lol.
This is where you get benchmark mad
Jees, i have edited this post that many times to get that url it is unreal!

 

[Shagga]

I cannot seem to get my digital camera to connect through the USB ports on the front of my case. (Coolermaster ATC) The leads are connected to the motherboard and I have all 8 USB ports enabled in the BIOS. Am I missing something here?

 

[MikEHunT2]

Originally posted by: Shagga
I cannot seem to get my digital camera to connect through the USB ports on the front of my case. (Coolermaster ATC) The leads are connected to the motherboard and I have all 8 USB ports enabled in the BIOS. Am I missing something here?

Sounds daft i know, but USB is installed in wondows isnt it? As in, look in device manager to make sure the USB Bus does not have a ? after it in yellow.
I was trying my USB for ages for my iPAQ cradle, for some reason in device manager it was not right, and needed to install its driver for windows.

 

[DAVIDS]

Originally posted by: Shagga
I cannot seem to get my digital camera to connect through the USB ports on the front of my case. (Coolermaster ATC) The leads are connected to the motherboard and I have all 8 USB ports enabled in the BIOS. Am I missing something here?

Have you tried using the back USB ports? Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, Service Pack-1 does not always correctly identity the USB controllers on the Canterwood chipset. In Device Manager, you should see a "USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD" under Universal Serial Bus Controllers. If it's not there, your USB 2.0 devices may not be working properly. One possible fix is to delete all the USB host controllers, reboot and let auto-detect try to find the correct bus controllers. I've also heard installing the latest Intel INF (5.0.2.1003) helps.

 

[Xeon]

Hey gang,

I thought I'd give you all an update.

I received all my components on Friday and completed putting the new box together this morning.

Here is what I have:

Case - Thermaltake XASER III V2000A ( SILVER ) 12-Bay All Aluminum ATX Super Tower Chassis w/ Large Side Window and Locks
Memory - OCZ 512 x 2 (1024MB) Enhanced Latency DDR PC-4000 Dual Channel Gold, Model OCZ5001024ELDCGE-K - Retail
Motherboards - Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
Processor - Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB
Heatsink and cpu Fan - Thermalright SP94 with a Vantec Tornado.
Fan Controllers - Hardcano 9 and a Nexus 305 for the cpu Fan.
PSU - PC Power & Cooling T51DX Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe
DVD/CD Writer- Plextor PX-708A
Hardrive - WD Raptor 36 Gig
Graphics Card - Nvidia Quadro2 - 400


I got it all up and running but I haven't Installed all the drivers yet. Once I do I'll then look at what it's clocking at and begin my o'clocking experience.

I do have a couple of questions for you guys however. I'm finding that the hardest part about putting a new box together is handling all the wiring. If any of you have some good pictures of how you routed all your wiring I'd love to see it. I want it to be super clean and tidy so if you have such a box and wouldn't mind sharing your layout with me, please send them to me via e-mail. xeon (at) xshellr8 (dot) com

Second, I'd like to get everyone's feedback on their Core cpu temps. Since most of you are running a similiar setup here in this thread I'd like to find out what your idle core cpu temeratures are running as well as the temp's your seeing under load.

Thanks guys!

BTW, I have to tell you, I wouldn't even have half the setup that I do without all of you helping me out with making my decisions for hardware. You've all been a big help in making this thing go together without a hitch.

I'll be posting pictures of this setup once I have it all cleaned up (wiring etc.).

See ya

 

[jcpiercy]

I found this site , for you Xeon
Nice looking parts/ rig by the way

JP

PC CASE WIRING

 

[jcpiercy]

Im working on my first build as well Xeon
Im using a Asus P4C 800 Deluxe and a KingWin 436 black case
Enermax 450 watt PSU and a P4 2.4 800 fsb

This photo , I found on a forum , gave me a few ideas
( not my machine BTW )

A Clean Wiring Job

JP

 

[laggerez]

I have the same case without the window couple of quick questions for you xeon .. how if at all ,did you get the temp probe under the cpu for the external fan controls ? and how did you wire up the top (blowhole) usb cable the mobo has the large double row connectors for the secondary usbs and the case has the thin single row connector really would like to get these things working correctly (also the firewire top port cable is all those single wires and the labeling does not match the mobo )

my rig is somewhat similar to yours (ocz gold matched pair 256 x 2) and it is oc'd (2.4c) to 3.00 at 2.5 4 4 7 8 just fine in turbo mode (ymmv on this as I see alot of posts where turbo won't oc for some people)... also someone a bunch of posts back asked and I can confirm as I am doing it , the promise edge ide port CAN be used for a single or double drive in non-raid mode set it in bios to s-ata + p-ata and install the ide driver for it in xp Not the raid driver

Originally posted by: Xeon
Hey gang,

I thought I'd give you all an update.

I received all my components on Friday and completed putting the new box together this morning.

Here is what I have:

Case - Thermaltake XASER III V2000A ( SILVER ) 12-Bay All Aluminum ATX Super Tower Chassis w/ Large Side Window and Locks
Memory - OCZ 512 x 2 (1024MB) Enhanced Latency DDR PC-4000 Dual Channel Gold, Model OCZ5001024ELDCGE-K - Retail
Motherboards - Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
Processor - Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB
Heatsink and cpu Fan - Thermalright SP94 with a Vantec Tornado.
Fan Controllers - Hardcano 9 and a Nexus 305 for the cpu Fan.
PSU - PC Power & Cooling T51DX Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe
DVD/CD Writer- Plextor PX-708A
Hardrive - WD Raptor 36 Gig
Graphics Card - Nvidia Quadro2 - 400


I got it all up and running but I haven't Installed all the drivers yet. Once I do I'll then look at what it's clocking at and begin my o'clocking experience.

I do have a couple of questions for you guys however. I'm finding that the hardest part about putting a new box together is handling all the wiring. If any of you have some good pictures of how you routed all your wiring I'd love to see it. I want it to be super clean and tidy so if you have such a box and wouldn't mind sharing your layout with me, please send them to me via e-mail. xeon (at) xshellr8 (dot) com

Second, I'd like to get everyone's feedback on their Core cpu temps. Since most of you are running a similiar setup here in this thread I'd like to find out what your idle core cpu temeratures are running as well as the temp's your seeing under load.

Thanks guys!

BTW, I have to tell you, I wouldn't even have half the setup that I do without all of you helping me out with making my decisions for hardware. You've all been a big help in making this thing go together without a hitch.

I'll be posting pictures of this setup once I have it all cleaned up (wiring etc.).

See ya

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: jcpiercy
Im working on my first build as well Xeon
Im using a Asus P4C 800 Deluxe and a KingWin 436 black case
Enermax 450 watt PSU and a P4 2.4 800 fsb

This photo , I found on a forum , gave me a few ideas
( not my machine BTW )

A Clean Wiring Job

JP

Thanks for the screenshot jcpiercy!

This is exactly the kind of shots I'm looking for.