*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[Flakk]

Originally posted by: anomaly
1008 FINAL IS RELEASED ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i865pe/P4P800/

woohoo! i was waitin for that.. i dont even know what it has in store, but im sure it's good thanks for the heads up

 

[ckn]

Originally posted by: anomaly
1008 FINAL IS RELEASED ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i865pe/P4P800/

Thanks. I have upgraded my BIOS to 1008.004.

I'm using a 2.4c CPU on Asus P4P800 (non-deluxe) motherboard with 256MBx2 GEIL PC3200 Ultra RAMs@2-3-3-6, installed with an Asus V9520 Magic AGP8X card and a Seagate 60GB Hard disk. The result of PCMark2002 showed -
CPU Score : 5916
Memory Score : 7013
HDD : 883

Is it OK? Please advise.

ckn

 

[NicColt]

Who here is running 1Gig of RAM and what's your settings ?

 

[rhawk79]

I'd like to share my results, I'm not having any problems, but maybe some people can give advice on how to push my system further.

Asus P4P800 Deluxe Bios: 1007
P4 3.0C
2 X 256MB XMS3500
Turbo Mode: On, PAT: Enabled, HT: Enabled
Case: CoolerMaster ATC-201, 4 fans, and everything uses stock cooling

With a 1:1 ratio, the best I can acheive, is FSB: 217, 2-3-3-7-4. PCMark: CPU=7867, Mem= 9009, HDD=1183
Strangely, at stock speed of 200, but with timings of 2-2-2-5-4, the memory goes up 500 points. CPU goes down a little but the total sum of the 3 PCMark scores is greater in this configuration. I still think 217 is better tho. At 217 those are the best timings I can get even if I raise the DDR voltage to 2.75.

With a 5:4 ratio, the best I can acheive, is FSB: 245, 2-2-2-5-4. PCMark: CPU=8940, Mem= 9648, HDD=1257. I had to raise the DDR voltage to 2.75 in order to go past 230 FSB. I have determined this to be my best configuration by comparing them all using the sum of the 3 PCMark scores. It beats the 2nd place configuration by a full 500 points.

My system will not boot at any FSB higher than 245. Any ideas on how to do this? I tried both 5:4 and 3:2, and I tried raising the VCore up to 1.7...going higher on the vcore just doesn't seem like a good idea. I think I'll stick with 5:4 @ 240...possibly upgrade to PC3700 or PC4000 at some point so I can hit a higher fsb at 1:1. I prepared a full spreadsheet of all my scores in 12 configurations but I don't have any place to host it so this is just a snippet of it. Based on PCMark scores, all in all, I've increased system performance by 10% with overclocking, and up 52% from my previous system (P4 2.4B)

Excellent board!!

 

[ckn]

Hi,

After upgrading the BIOS of P4P800 (non-deluxe) motherboard to version 1008.004, I tried overclocking my PC and got the following results -

(a) Successful to overclock the CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%') with RAM latency set to "by SPD" (showing CAS 2.5-4-4-8), auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, 'auto' Performance Mode.
CPU score: 7630
Mem score: 7555
HDD: 885
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.3MHz

(b) Successful to overclock CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (also AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%'). This time, RAM latency set to 2-3-3-6, auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, Performance mode: auto.
CPU score: 7683
Mem score: 7964
HDD: 866
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.4MHz

(c) Fail (Bad BIOS checksum) --- with same setting as (b) except with "Turbo" Performance Mode.

Please advise what is wrong and how to overcome the problem. Should I disable the "Turbo" performance mode?

My rig:
2.4c CPU;
Asus P4800 (non-deluxe) motherboard;
GEIL PC3200 Ultra Dual Channel Kit (256MB x2) @2-3-3-6;
Seagate 60GB Harddisk;
Yamaha 6416s CD-RW (SCSI version);
Panasonic CD-ROM;
ZIP (internal drive);

Advice/comments are welcome. Thanks.

ckn

 

[anomaly]

Has anyone used the P4P800 in conjunction with CH-5 chipped ram?

 

[just0some0guy]

Originally posted by: ckn
Hi,

After upgrading the BIOS of P4P800 (non-deluxe) motherboard to version 1008.004, I tried overclocking my PC and got the following results -

(a) Successful to overclock the CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%') with RAM latency set to "by SPD" (showing CAS 2.5-4-4-8), auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, 'auto' Performance Mode.
CPU score: 7630
Mem score: 7555
HDD: 885
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.3MHz

(b) Successful to overclock CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (also AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%'). This time, RAM latency set to 2-3-3-6, auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, Performance mode: auto.
CPU score: 7683
Mem score: 7964
HDD: 866
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.4MHz

(c) Fail (Bad BIOS checksum) --- with same setting as (b) except with "Turbo" Performance Mode.

Please advise what is wrong and how to overcome the problem. Should I disable the "Turbo" performance mode?

My rig:
2.4c CPU;
Asus P4800 (non-deluxe) motherboard;
GEIL PC3200 Ultra Dual Channel Kit (256MB x2) @2-3-3-6;
Seagate 60GB Harddisk;
Yamaha 6416s CD-RW (SCSI version);
Panasonic CD-ROM;
ZIP (internal drive);

Advice/comments are welcome. Thanks.

ckn

Were you able to run in SPD mode before upgrading the bios? I have the same(but 1GB) GEIL ram as well but mine won't boot if use SPD! What software are you using for benchmarking?

Thanks.

 

[ckn]

Originally posted by: just0some0guy

Originally posted by: ckn
Hi,

After upgrading the BIOS of P4P800 (non-deluxe) motherboard to version 1008.004, I tried overclocking my PC and got the following results -

(a) Successful to overclock the CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%') with RAM latency set to "by SPD" (showing CAS 2.5-4-4-8), auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, 'auto' Performance Mode.
CPU score: 7630
Mem score: 7555
HDD: 885
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.3MHz

(b) Successful to overclock CPU from 2.4GHz to 3.124GHz (also AI Overclock set to 'manual +30%'). This time, RAM latency set to 2-3-3-6, auto DIMM voltage, HT enabled, MAM enabled, Performance mode: auto.
CPU score: 7683
Mem score: 7964
HDD: 866
FSB: 260.3MHz
Bus: 1041.4MHz

(c) Fail (Bad BIOS checksum) --- with same setting as (b) except with "Turbo" Performance Mode.

Please advise what is wrong and how to overcome the problem. Should I disable the "Turbo" performance mode?

My rig:
2.4c CPU;
Asus P4800 (non-deluxe) motherboard;
GEIL PC3200 Ultra Dual Channel Kit (256MB x2) @2-3-3-6;
Seagate 60GB Harddisk;
Yamaha 6416s CD-RW (SCSI version);
Panasonic CD-ROM;
ZIP (internal drive);

Advice/comments are welcome. Thanks.

ckn

Were you able to run in SPD mode before upgrading the bios? I have the same(but 1GB) GEIL ram as well but mine won't boot if use SPD! What software are you using for benchmarking?

Thanks.

I am a beginner of overclocking. My first pair of GEIL PC3200 Ultra RAMs (specified to run at 2-3-3-6) could only boot up my PC @2.5-3-3-6 at a DIMM voltage of 2.85 volts. I later got the replacements from the dealer. The second pair of GEIL PC3200 RAMs worked fine @2-3-3-6 at 'auto' DIMM voltage.

Previously, I ran my PC with BIOS version 1007 and 1008.001. Yet, I could only overclock my PC manually (+5%; +10%; and +20%; but not +30%). I was able to overclock my PC to '+30%' only after upgrading the BIOS to version 1008.004. The result of (a) is setting the latency 'by SPD' (please note that the latency became 2.5-4-4-8 instead of 2-3-3-6 as shown in CPUID). The result of (b) is setting the RAM latency manually to 2-3-3-6 and at 'auto' DIMM voltage. However, till now I could not boot up the PC under 'Turbo' mode. I don't know why.

I ran PCMark2002 (getting the CPU score; Mem score; and HDD score) and CPUID (getting FSB and Bus speed) under Windows XP Professional (SP1).

 

[gramboh]

I am running 1 gig of RAM, settings follow:

2 x 512 XMS 3500 -> 2-3-3-6 @ DDR 440, felt lke it could go higher - RAS-to-CAS of 2 is not attainable at any memory clock speed. 2-3-2-6 was stable below DDR 434.

TwinX1024-3200LL -> 2-3-2-6 at DDR 400-408, didn't go higher since I use 5:4 on a 2.6C. RAS-to-CAS 2 would cause BIOS Checksum failure/corruption

OCZ Dual Channel PC3500 EL Kit (2 x 512) -> 2-3-3-7 at DDR 400. Will cause no-POST failure if I try to run 2-3-3-7 at DDR 434 which is the memory spec even at 2.85vdimm! This garbage is going back for XMS 3500 today.


For whoever was asking about Turbo mode - if you are manually overclocking disable it! I am usually unable to boot if I enable it. I think the best solution is to turn off Turbo, then find a happy medium between maximum clock speed and memory bandwidth/timings (MHz is more important than latency on the P4 platform it seems, kind of wishing I had a 2.4C so I could run DDR ~450 at 3400MHz. I haven't had time to experiment with how MAM affects overclocking yet. I also am having problems seeing when it is on. If I run at default CPU settings I get a much higher memory score in Sandra than if I run at 201 FSB with MAM set to on. I think there is some kind of auto-overclock going on.

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: NicColt
Who here is running 1Gig of RAM and what's your settings ?

I have 1 gig of Hyperex PC3500 and my settings are 2-2-3-6. That is what was suggested by the Kingston Support Guy. So far no probs. I absolutely love this board and memory combo. It is lightning fast and stable so far.

 

[donfm]

 

[donfm]

There are a few DRAM settings with this board that I am not familiar with. Right now I have them set to "auto".

1) DRAM burst length (Options are 4 or 8)

2) DRAM Idle Timer (options go from 0T to 64T in increments of eight)

3) DRAM refresh (options are from 7.8usec - 64usec )

Can anyone tell me what settings these should be manually set at or should I just keep using the "auto" setting for each? My timing settings are currently 2-2-3-6 as was suggested by the Kingston tech support.

 

[Flakk]

I need some help with my P4P800. I'm running Asus PC Probe and it's telling me this:

+12V (actual: 12.088v)
+5v (actual: 5.187v)
+3.3 (actual: 2.928v) <-- it's beeping for this one
Vcore (actual: 1.52v)

Should I worry about that 3.3 volt being 2.928 instead? That seems pretty far off, and the beeping also indicates that might not be good That would be a power supply problem right? Is there anything that I can do about it other than replacing the power supply?


Also, my CPU and motherboard temps are as follows:

CPU (idle): 35*C/95*F
CPU (max load): 41*C/105*F
MOTHERBOARD: 38*C/100*F

I am using the stock heatsink and fan with arctic silver now. The CPU temp seems a little higher (8*F higher) than my last motherboard (ECS L4S8A2) was reporting with this same cpu and cooling, so I am just wondering if this temperature is good or not. I had some trouble removing the metal heat pad on the bottom of the heatsink before applying Arctic Silver 3 this time (I used the heatsink pad that came on the heatsink, on my previous motherboad). I am thinking maybe I didnt get the bottom of the heatsink clean enough or something....

Lastly, I'd like to try overclocking a little bit, but what temperature should I try to stay below? I dont want to fry anything. If 95*F is high for an idle temp then I probably shouldn't push it much?

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: ckn

Originally posted by: anomaly
1008 FINAL IS RELEASED ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i865pe/P4P800/

Thanks. I have upgraded my BIOS to 1008.004.

I'm using a 2.4c CPU on Asus P4P800 (non-deluxe) motherboard with 256MBx2 GEIL PC3200 Ultra RAMs@2-3-3-6, installed with an Asus V9520 Magic AGP8X card and a Seagate 60GB Hard disk. The result of PCMark2002 showed -
CPU Score : 5916
Memory Score : 7013
HDD : 883

Is it OK? Please advise.

ckn

Just went to the Asus download site (North America) and the have v1008 listed as "Beta" version. This version has not been officially released as yet....at least to North America.

 

[Slammy1]

Well, you either need to get a PSU with a better 3.3V rail, or you could remove components that work at 3V. I believe that's HDs. Usually it's the 12V you have to worry about (for me, the CPU and video both run at 12V). Try eliminaying any o/c's you're running. What is your PSU btw? Your temps are OK, but it appears you're getting some heat from somewhere (the HDs?). I ended up removing one of my SCSI drives and I dropped 7C. Make sure your PCI/AGP busses are locked.

Originally posted by: Flakk
I need some help with my P4P800. I'm running Asus PC Probe and it's telling me this:

+12V (actual: 12.088v)
+5v (actual: 5.187v)
+3.3 (actual: 2.928v) <-- it's beeping for this one
Vcore (actual: 1.52v)

Should I worry about that 3.3 volt being 2.928 instead? That seems pretty far off, and the beeping also indicates that might not be good That would be a power supply problem right? Is there anything that I can do about it other than replacing the power supply?


Also, my CPU and motherboard temps are as follows:

CPU (idle): 35*C/95*F
CPU (max load): 41*C/105*F
MOTHERBOARD: 38*C/100*F

I am using the stock heatsink and fan with arctic silver now. The CPU temp seems a little higher (8*F higher) than my last motherboard (ECS L4S8A2) was reporting with this same cpu and cooling, so I am just wondering if this temperature is good or not. I had some trouble removing the metal heat pad on the bottom of the heatsink before applying Arctic Silver 3 this time (I used the heatsink pad that came on the heatsink, on my previous motherboad). I am thinking maybe I didnt get the bottom of the heatsink clean enough or something....

Lastly, I'd like to try overclocking a little bit, but what temperature should I try to stay below? I dont want to fry anything. If 95*F is high for an idle temp then I probably shouldn't push it much?

 

[Flakk]

Originally posted by: Slammy1
Well, you either need to get a PSU with a better 3.3V rail, or you could remove components that work at 3V. I believe that's HDs. Usually it's the 12V you have to worry about (for me, the CPU and video both run at 12V). Try eliminaying any o/c's you're running. What is your PSU btw? Your temps are OK, but it appears you're getting some heat from somewhere (the HDs?). I ended up removing one of my SCSI drives and I dropped 7C. Make sure your PCI/AGP busses are locked.

My power supply is a 430 watt PowMax aluminum one. So far the 3volts being off hasnt caused me any trouble, so I am just hoping it will be fine. I havent overclocked anything yet... purely default speeds.

my two maxtor hd's arent running very hot. Where is the sensor on the motherboard anyway? maybe I can figure out what's hot if I can find out where it is.

 

[Slammy1]

As I remember, it's a dangling diode (same as my last board). I put it up near my memory and vid card. The way you can check out you power distribution is to open the case, it should be listed right on the PSU. It should be more than adequate for your arrangement listed, you probably need to consider an RMA. I wouldn't trust a RAID to a faulty PSU, and your's is out of spec. I wouldn't ignore the problem at all, PSU problems come back to haunt you in strange and unexpected ways. You might also check to make sure you're not grounding somewhere (like an out of place stand-off). Wish I could help you more, but that's all I have.

EDIT: Here's a run down on the PSU:
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/guides/power_supply/page2.asp

HDs are on the 5V rail, not the 3 like I was remembering.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Some observations I have noticed with my P4P800 (maybe it will help someone).

I have the P4P800 non delux with a 2.6c and 2x XMS3200 Corsair 512MB sticks of memory.

At default settings (200FSB 400Mhz Memory and 2.6Ghz CPU) I can enable MAM and CPU-Z shows performance mode as ON. Anything overclocked (even 201Mhz) is off. I adjust settings like turning on Turbo and lowering timings and turning MAM to auto and enabled. It still shows PAt as disabled.

Now I did a few benchmarks with my setup to see what performance differences can be noticed at my 2 highest overclocked and stable settings. The first setting overclocks my memory to 430Mhz stable at 2.5-3-3-6 and my CPU is at 2.81Ghz while the board is at 215Mhz FSB. Note that even at 1:1 Memory ratio over a 200Mhz FSB automatically turns OFF PAT. I ran vcore at 1.50 and vdimm at 2.75 while turbo mode was on and MAM was on auto (no difference with MAM enabled).

my detailed specs are as follows

Enermax 430Watt PSU
P4P800 Mobo @ 215Mhz FSB 30c idle 32c load BIOS 1.008 final
2x XMS3200 512MB @ 430Mhz DDR
P4 2.6c @ 2.81Ghz 32c idle 36c load
Thermalright SLK900-U with Thermaltake Smart Fan 2 @ 4800RPM (AS3 used)
Radeon 9700Pro with 4x AA and no AF enabled in directx and OpenGL is 16X AF and 6x AA Vsync ON

benchmarks as follows
Sandra CPU Arith 8459/5210
Sandra CPU Multimedia 12760/20318
Sandra memory 4719/4700
Ut2k3 standard benchmark@1024x768 163FPS flyby 65fps botmatch
Quake3@1024x768 196.07FPS
Comanche4 benchmark@1024x768 51.22FPS

My next test was done with a higher CPU speed and lower memory speed. Same video settings. Complete details as follows.

Enermax 430Watt PSU
P4P800 Mobo @ 245Mhz 32c idle 35c load BIOS 1.008final
2x XMS3200 512MB @ 392Mhz
P4 2.6c @ 3.18Ghz 33c idle 37c load
Thermalright SLK900-U with Thermaltake Smartfan 2 @ 4800RPM (AS3 used)
Radeon9700 Pro with VSync on Directx has no AF and 4x AA and OpenGL has 16x AF and 6x AA

Sandra CPU Arith 9671/5951
Sandra CPU multimedia 14550/23145
Sandra memory 4982/5035
UT2k3 standard benchmark@1024x768 flyby 164FPS botmatch 72FPS
Quake3@1024x768 197FPS
Commanche4 benchmark@1024x768 57.49FPS

so we see that even with a lower memory speed with same CAS settings (2.5-3-3-6) there is a boost in performance in line with the CPU speed increase. Higher memory bandwidth from lower memory speed ratings because of the higher CPU speed. Higher scores across the board from faster CPU.

So you can clearly see that dual DDR even below 400Mhz, although still fast at 392Mhz is feeding the P4 quite well. The faster CPu in my second test was not hindered by the lower memory speed and the memory is actually faster at lower settings with a faster CPU. This is exactly what I expected to see. I was curious as to how much of a difference a lower memory clock would make with a faster CPu if it asked for more bandwidth. We can see it is not a problem at all.

These were just my observations and as always your mileage may vary. I'd also like to point out that these were the highest 100% rock solid stable speeds which I could obtain with my setup. Be it a memory, CPU, Mobo, PSU, or whatever other factor I could not go past 430Mhz Memory and be stable. Likewise 3.18Ghz is the highest my CPU would do stable. Even with my cooling solution which is very very extreme for air cooling. The SLK-900U is 100% copper with micro fins and the Smartfan 2 pushes 75.5CFM at it's current speed of 4800RPM.

This info may be useful to people deciding on a happy medium in the CPU and memory speeds on their overclocked boards.

Do remember all tests at turbo mode with MAM being disabled (over 200Mhz FSB turns it off by default) and cas 2.5-3-3-6 using the latest bios from asus which happens to be 1.008. No video card overclocking as it did not provide significantly better results in my configuration.

-DREDD

edit: at 245Mhz FSB and DDR392 I can get 2-2-3-6 to run fine with turbo mode enabled. Turbo doesn't see to lower timings any for me like has been thought in past posts. At least CPU-z doesn't say timings change from standard to turbo mode.

if anyone has questions they can PM me and I'll be happy to answer any questions regarding my setup or my tests.

 

[anomaly]

Well I hooked up my P4P yesterday, and it fried ALL (Sapphire 9800 PRO, 1GB XMS PC3500, 2.4C, Antec Tru550) of my components. ASUS is giving me the run around as far as replacement. It ALL worked with my IC7, but I kept hearing great things about the P4P. If I end up loosing $1200 worth of components, im going to be one very vocal very angry customer.

 

[SleepyGreggy]

How did you fry it so I dont do the same..

 

[gramboh]

Hey where in cpuZ does it show if performance mode/MAM is on for the P4P800? I've got he newest cpuZ but I can't find it.

I did notice that performance (memory in Sandra) is way worse at 201 fsb than 200.

 

[Creole81]

Has anyone has stability problems when enabling Tourbo mode? It seems that when I enable tourbo mode Internet Explorer crashes a lot and also my games crash. i can run fine with just memory acceleration enabled but not Tourbo mode.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I run turbo without problems.

 

[cmdrdredd]

CPU-Z 1.18c

http://forum.abit-usa.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=105895

 

[anomaly]

Originally posted by: SleepyGreggy
How did you fry it so I dont do the same..

Not a clue. The motherboard was JUST BAD. I've built probibly 80 computers from scratch. Never had this kinda problem. This is the email im sending out to pretty much major computer website I can find.
System specs:
2.4C, Antec Tru550, 2x512mb Corsair XMS PC3500, Sapphire Tech. Radeon 9800 Pro
So I got a P4P800 because my IC7 had a broken sound processor on arrival, and I figured it would be a better board all around. Pulled it out of the box, unplugged the computer, let the mobo sit in the room air for ~45 minutes in the anti-static bag, strapped on my anti-static wristband, pulled the IC7 out, put the P4P800 in. Boot it up, and about a quarter second of on, then everything powers down. Check over all connections, unplug, replug in, same thing. Unplug the hd's, same. Then the 2nd stick of ram, same. Then the vid card, same. Pull everything out, put it all back in. Does the same. Put IC7 back in and IT DOES THE SAME 1/4th SECOND BOOT. Plug in another stick of ram, same. Plug in another video card, same. Plug in another psu, it stays on. Says CPU is unrecognizable. Put the first ram back in, says the same as CPU. So as it stands, it appears the P4P800 fried CPU, ram, Video card, and PSU. Asus says they are not responsible for 3rd party hardware that is plugged into their board. Corsair says that Asus should foot the bill as the ram has been working for months, Sapphire says the Radeon could be replaced but again, Asus should do it. I've been building computers for 6 years. This is by far the worst time I've had. If you feel up to it, post this on your site. People should know what Asus is about.
Sincerely,
Nathan Shimek