*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[morkman100]

Originally posted by: catss
Hi running the P4P800 with 1GB Apacer PC3200, rockstable, no problems whatsoever. Price is about 80? / 512 MB. Would be nice for you morkman100

Is this what you're using?

"Apacer 512MB DDR PC3200 RAM 32X8 Samsung Original Chipset CL=3 - OEM
184-Pin, DDR400
Requires DDR supported Motherboard Model#: 77.10736.464 "

Thanks for your help.

morkman

 

[dwb122]

Isn't it better to get CL=2.5 RAM, as long as each module has the same CL speed?

 

[catss]

@morkman100: yes thats what I´m using, they are on the Asus compatibility list, with support for up to 4 modules.

@dwb122: Shure lower CL mean a bit more speed, but if I look at the price of Corsairs modules I guess I can stick with CL3, it´s really not such a huge difference. If you want to get the best out of your system and are going to overclock you have to spent more money.

 

[dwb122]

Are you saying a lower CL is better for overclocking? Gosh I'm a stupid newb.

 

[morkman100]

Cool. I was trying to find a vendor that had any of the memory from the Asus recommended list here in the U.S. and the Apacer RAM was one of the only one's I could find (that wasn't $150 a DIMM from Corsair).

Hopefully this works!

Thanks,

morkman

 

[noonhigher]

Originally posted by: morkman100
I'm gathering that most of the memory issues with the 865 chipset is with low latency memory and/or overclocking potential.

Any memory recommendations for the P4P800 Deluxe (P4 2.8GHz 800) system that will not be overclocked? Main concern is stability. Something in the $75-100 per 512 MB DIMM (1 GB total memory wanted)...

Thanks,

I'm running 1GB Corsair 2 x CMX512-3200C2 and were $95 a piece works like a charm!!!

 

[morkman100]

Originally posted by: noonhigher
I'm running 1GB Corsair 2 x CMX512-3200C2 and were $95 a piece works like a charm!!!

Just read from a Corsair rep that they tested and recommend this module for all Springdale motherboards.

Thanks for replying.

morkman

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: morkman100

Originally posted by: noonhigher
I'm running 1GB Corsair 2 x CMX512-3200C2 and were $95 a piece works like a charm!!!

Just read from a Corsair rep that they tested and recommend this module for all Springdale motherboards.

Thanks for replying.

morkman

They do NOT recommend PC3200 Corsair memory for this guy. RAM-GUY specifically stated that and PC3200 is NOT listed on ASUS website as recommended. Where did you read that information??

 

[LegionX]

hi

was looking at a comp store and found a asus p4p800 and a p4p800 deluxe and am wondering if the only difference btween the 2 is ide raid and firewire. is performance the same? it saves me over 30$ if i go for the non delux version and i dont use firewire and if i did i have it on my audigy and if i get 2 hard drives to raid they would be serial i think.

so basically am i giving up any performance or spectactular item by going the cheaper route?

here is the link to both boards i am considering - all prices are canadian so dont get shell shock

http://www.vibecomputers.com/index.cfm?loc=iview&if=n&vID=190220

http://www.vibecomputers.com/index.cfm?loc=iview&if=n&vID=190235

thanks for any help

 

[tommie]

yeah legionx, thats the only differance. im with you on the raid, ide raid is on the way out.i picked up yhr non delux version for $127, great board.

tommie j

 

[dwb122]

Originally posted by: donfm

Originally posted by: morkman100

Originally posted by: noonhigher
I'm running 1GB Corsair 2 x CMX512-3200C2 and were $95 a piece works like a charm!!!

Just read from a Corsair rep that they tested and recommend this module for all Springdale motherboards.

Thanks for replying.

morkman

They do NOT recommend PC3200 Corsair memory for this guy. RAM-GUY specifically stated that and PC3200 is NOT listed on ASUS website as recommended. Where did you read that information??

Eh? Are you saying I shouldn't use PC3200 RAM with this mobo?

 

[Stryker]

Sorry, another newbie question....Would this RAM work? (Crucial 512MB DDR 3200). (2 of them). I don't plan on doing any overclocking, and it seems to have gotten a good write up here. Article says it would be good for the Canterwood chipset. Would it also work for the Springdale? If so, are there any disadvantages in using it? This is my first board upgrade, and for now I'm really just looking for something that I can plug in and forget about for the time being.

 

[dwb122]

Originally posted by: tommie
yeah legionx, thats the only differance. im with you on the raid, ide raid is on the way out.i picked up yhr non delux version for $127, great board.

tommie j

I dunno. I'm buying from newegg, and the Delux is only 20 dollars more. Is having Firewire worth $20?

 

[ChefJoe]

Corsair's recommending their XMS 512 mb PC3500 module... not the 512 mb PC3200.

http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e476baa2126ac4ab52c1a9c6182296c6&threadid=13287
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e476baa2126ac4ab52c1a9c6182296c6&threadid=13274
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e476baa2126ac4ab52c1a9c6182296c6&threadid=13202
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e476baa2126ac4ab52c1a9c6182296c6&threadid=13126

 

[LegionX]

Originally posted by: dwb122

Originally posted by: tommie
yeah legionx, thats the only differance. im with you on the raid, ide raid is on the way out.i picked up yhr non delux version for $127, great board.

tommie j

I dunno. I'm buying from newegg, and the Delux is only 20 dollars more. Is having Firewire worth $20?

i guess depending on wether you use it or not. if it was the new firewire i would go for it just incase but it is using the old standard. if ide raid and firewire are the only difference then i will buy the non delux since i am also going to buy a 1.7 celeron and a cheap stick of 333ddr for the board i am using now and use it as a secondary computer with a switch box.

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: dwb122

Originally posted by: donfm

Originally posted by: morkman100

Originally posted by: noonhigher
I'm running 1GB Corsair 2 x CMX512-3200C2 and were $95 a piece works like a charm!!!

Just read from a Corsair rep that they tested and recommend this module for all Springdale motherboards.

Thanks for replying.

morkman

They do NOT recommend PC3200 Corsair memory for this guy. RAM-GUY specifically stated that and PC3200 is NOT listed on ASUS website as recommended. Where did you read that information??

Eh? Are you saying I shouldn't use PC3200 RAM with this mobo?

Well it's not the PC3200 that is in question it's if the brand you buy will be compatible with the motherboard. If "Ram Guy" who is a Corsair memory representative doesn't recommend using Corsair PC3200 on the P4P800 then I'm thinking it would not be in your best interest to use Corsair PC3200 memory. Wouldn't you agree.

 

[dwb122]

So how do I know if, say, 256mb PC3200 Crucial modules are compatible with the P4P800? Does that advice only apply to Corsair? It's just that I've been reading up on this stuff for five days now and every day I find something on the internet that adds a new level of confusion to the matter.

Also, what advantages would there be to having PC3500 memory over PC3200?

 

[ChefJoe]

dwb, technically, PC3200 should be what's used in these boards, but it appears that a few manufacturers aren't meshing well (be it the memory or the motherboard manufacturers). I've watched what corsair says about their memory in these asus boards, and it's usually "for PC3200 bump the voltage, use timings of 2-3-3-6 or a little higher" and "for PC3500 - use 2-2-2-5 or 2-3-2-5 (cas to ras being 3)"... basically, defaults aren't working too well for corsair's larger (greater than 256 mb) modules.

Supposedly, the PC3500 means they're tested to operate above the memory bus of PC3200 (overclocking the memory bus). The trick is if you desire to overclock or even care about having tight memory timings (think of it as the delay between requesting info and then getting it back). Any PC3200 and PC3500 from corsair seems to work at 400 MHz provided one adjusts the voltages and timings higher than their memory is programmed at. Other manufacturers may be less hassle. So far, I've not read anything about Kingston modules being problematic in these boards, but I haven't looked for that.

Now, if you want to ask questions about "What should I buy" that may be a general hardware sort of question but, if you can tell people how much you want to spend, how much memory you want, and any manufacturer preferences in a single post, then we might be able to answer your questions quickly (and not make this thread needlessly wandering).

 

[dwb122]

Sorry if I'm beginning to derail this thread. In asking "what should I buy", I really just wanted to know what isn't recommended to be used with this particular motherboard, and it's getting to be almost frustratingly confusing. The more I dig, the more "you shouldn't do this, do that!" I find.

Basically I'm looking to spend around $100-130, want nothing below PC3200, probably only want 512mb (two sticks), am almost certain I will want to overclock (I've heard 3200+ is recommended for overclockers), any reliable brand will do, and most of all, something that the "Ram Guy" wouldn't not recommend for the P4P800.

-edit-
thanks for the PC3500 explaination.

 

[Slammy1]

I read on the ABX forums lots of success with the HyperX 3500. I get a very stable o/c at 260 MHz on a 5:4. Seems in your price range. You might also consider a single DRAM of 512MB with a future upgrade to another. You won't get DCM, but I'm wondering how limiting 256MB will be.

 

[ChefJoe]

Well, for 512 mb total, I would purchase Corsair PC3500 modules or Kingston HyperX PC3500 or PC3200 modules. I'm sticking with brand names for this DDR400 stuff.

KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 256MB DDR400 (PC3200) 32X64 DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3200/256 - Newegg - $60
KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 256MB DDR433 (PC3500) DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3500/256- Limited Quantity Offer - Newegg $ 69 OOS currently
CORSAIRMEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 256MB 32MX8 PC-3500C2 With Heat Spreader - Newegg $74

I say this as the frustrated owner of a single 512 mb stick of Corsair XMS PC3200LL on this motherboard. I wanted to run with a gig of ram down the road, but not have really tiny sticks of memory around two years down the road. If I had my 'druthers, I'd have bought PC3500 Corsair XMS 512 mb or the kingston equiv., not messed with the Low Latency PC3200 stuff and just hoped for the best (slowing improving timings from what's default for the stick) in "underclocking" PC3500.

CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 512MB 32MX8 PC-3500C2 With Platinum - Silver Heat Spreader. - Newegg $134.60
KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 512MB DDR434 (PC3500) DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3500/512- - Newegg $122 Currently OOS

 

[poldi1]

Hi all,

I am a bit confused atm too. I was planning to get this board soon. I have two sticks of Corsair XMS3200 C2 for a total of 512 Mb running in my system now. So are this chips who will be making problems or not?
At what timings and volt will I have to run them? Sorry if I ask a question that has allready been answered but I am really not sure, since there are so many different Corsair modules around. Mine are almost 6 months old now...

On the other hand, I thought the performance of this board is best, when running the memory at BY SPD settings, is that correct? If I am not thinking wrong, the board chooses the settings , is that right? So why are talking about RAM timings, I must have missed something along the way). Thanks for clarification)

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: poldi1
Hi all,

I am a bit confused atm too. I was planning to get this board soon. I have two sticks of Corsair XMS3200 C2 for a total of 512 Mb running in my system now. So are this chips who will be making problems or not?
At what timings and volt will I have to run them? Sorry if I ask a question that has allready been answered but I am really not sure, since there are so many different Corsair modules around. Mine are almost 6 months old now...

On the other hand, I thought the performance of this board is best, when running the memory at BY SPD settings, is that correct? If I am not thinking wrong, the board chooses the settings , is that right? So why are talking about RAM timings, I must have missed something along the way). Thanks for clarification)

Corsair's official help forums - see compatability questions thread, start a new thread if you need to:
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=a5d61473377751620fb67d2e017a5456&forumid=128

Also, some reviewers say spd it best, but the 512 mb LL module I bought wouldn't boot and start loading windows stably at defaults.

 

[Styler2K]

Hey guys,

Just to confirm, the P4P800, like the P4C800 doesn't use the CSA bus for the LAN, right?

Thanks...

 

[poldi1]

gonna check it out! thanks for the info!