*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: Kaama
How does the on board sound perform ?

I currently have a SB Live! value, will this be far better than what's on board ?
I understand that the on board sound is software based, so this will take up lots more cpu power then the SB Live! value, right ?

K

Sound is OK. The digital out works, which is my main thing since I use my receiver for computer speakers. It's something I'll upgrade, no doubt, but something that will keep until I can upgrade. I had stability issues from my SBLive on this board, btw. 3dMark03 would crash on the sound test.

 

[anxman69]

Just wanted to say that I have this board with the following hardware:

Asus P4P800
P4 2.4C
512 OCZ CL2 DDR3200
SB Audigy MP3+
Ultra100 TX2 [ATA133 Controller]

And the following hardware:

2xWD120JB, 2xWD180GB, Pioneer DVR104, LCDs, Mouse, Keyboard.

All running on Win2K3 and everything is running super fast and super stable.

-Ankur

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

Hey I just purchased this board. I already have 512MB of pc2700. SO i bought the same 512MB PC2700 cor 2x 512MB PC2700 for 1GB of RAM. That was the cheapest way i can do this because i feel my motherboard is bad.

I already have a 3.06ghz pentium 4. I have no plans of upgrading my processor anytime soon. I'm not gonna overclock because i need my system stable for what i do. So i figure pc2700 should be just fine.

Does anyone know for sure if i can run this async? 133FSBx166MEM ? - would it have been possible to do 133FSBx200Mem? I have Corsair XMS PC2700 btw. update: oh right yes i know i can't really run at 200MEM speed because i have pc2700, just wondering if i could have ran the FSB at 133 (533) and the memory at 200 (or 400). thats what i meant. thanks!

I did this for a reason. Getting NEW pc3200 RAM was WAY too expensive. it would have cost me 150 dollars for 512MB of PC3200, or spend 75 dollars and have 1GB of pc2700. I doubt i'll ever make use of pc3200 anyway.

I got this to get rid of my "end point format is invalid" error i get when i enable onboard USB and the onboard floppy controller at the same time. By themselves (one or the other enabled whle the other diisabled) they cause my ethernet, sound, and meyboard and mouse to stop working and i get "delay write failure" errors.

I'l be sure to post how it goes here! Looks promising though. No one seems to have any problems here!

I was gonna get the gigabyte board the new one with the 875 chipset the non-ultra one. but that was 230 dollars and this board here does the samething i want it to and it's 150! Huge difference in price and then i saved on getting slower ram.

 

[dwb122]

The P4P800 DX is looking very attractive to me (sexually, I might add), but as a newbie to this stuff I have a couple questions about it:

1. My father is telling me that he would normally shy away from a mobo that has something integrated into it that you would normally get separately -- in this board's case, the network adaptor. Any truth to this, or is he just full of hot air? Also, as someone who doesn't know diddly about networking hardware (me), it is a full network adaptor on the mobo (as in not needing a network card), correct?

2. This is looking kinda scary. A review I've read of the board says that the heatsink almost gets in the way of some AGP cards. Judging from the pictures, I'm not surprised. Is there really any danger to getting a videocard that might not fit because of that gigantic thing? My current card, which I will replace later this year, is a 64mb Geforce2 GTS. That will fit, right?

Thanks in advance.

 

[ChefJoe]

Dwb, it's a 3com chip on the PCI bus in the P4P800 Deluxe and the connector and LEDs appear on the motherboard backplate. It appears to the computer that there's a normal 3com nic stuck into a PCI slot. This is a much more universal solution than something like a generic no-name chip stuck on the motherboard (which is/was common with early onboard sound in particular....).

The motherboard itself has been redesigned. Instead of the heatsink looking like a diamond above the AGP slot, they've actually changed the wires used to hold the heatsink. The chip itself is mounted in that diamond/diagonal way but the heatsink is at a 45 degree angle to the chip, parallel to the AGP slot rather than having a tip pointing at it. The distance between the edge of the AGP slot and the edge of the northbridge heatsink is about 1 cm. Well, at least my P4P800 deluxe from googlegear (oops, originally said newegg) has this redesign. See pics of the newer version http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4284

Wow, MBM5 tells me my +12v is like +16.... I only hope that's not true.

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

great news chefjoe! cos thats what i got and thats where i got it!

and dwb:

Most of everything integrated on the board can be disabled anyway.
if it goes bad you can just disabled it and pop in your card. or disable it anyway and pop in your card.
Yes all network adapters work and function the same way.

Since every single board out there has integrated parts you really don't have much of a choice anyway! But they are fine for the
most part.

 

[noonhigher]

Dwb: Your dad isnt blow hot air just warm now. I would of told you the same thing a while back. Now days intergraded stuff is a good thing for the most part. A while back I would of said to anyone if your motherboard has on board sound disable it but nowdays its nice stuff especially on this board. I still would never go intergraded graphics but for some it good for them. For the most part mobo makers have came a long way in quality of there intergraded parts and it is a good thing for the most part just look at the mini-form PC's 3Ghz in a shoe box oh yeah!!

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: ChefJoe

Wow, MBM5 tells me my +12v is like +16.... I only hope that's not true.

Mine's done this in spurts, as you can see I've had some Asus probe problems. Still, the probe works great now after numerous mis-starts.

 

[ADP3000]

The motherboard itself has been redesigned. Instead of the heatsink looking like a diamond above the AGP slot, they've actually changed the wires used to hold the heatsink. The chip itself is mounted in that diamond/diagonal way but the heatsink is at a 45 degree angle to the chip, parallel to the AGP slot rather than having a tip pointing at it. The distance between the edge of the AGP slot and the edge of the northbridge heatsink is about 1 cm. Well, at least my P4P800 deluxe from newegg has this redesign.

The Motherboard that I received is also one of these redesigns. I posted the information about the redesign of the heatsink earlier on in this forum and someone suggested that I might have an immitaton board.

Anyway, I built my system with this board and a P4 2.4C processor along with 2 512MB Geil DDR400 chips and the system has run smoothly with no problems whatsoever.

 

[mngisdood]

Any notable overclocking feats with this board?

 

[Stryker]

Sorry if this is in the wrong place... this is my first motherboard purchase, my apologies if my questions seem a little simple.

I currently have a P4 1.7. I was planning on upgrading the RDRAM in my system, but a friend pointed out to me, that since RDRAM is so expensive, for only a little more $$, I can change my motherboard and switch to DDR RAM, and get more of it in the process. I looked around, and came across the P4P800 Deluxe. I like to upgrade parts here and there, but it's usually just a PCI card or HD. This board seems like it will give me room to expand in the future (SATA, 800 MHz FSB), while still allow me to use my current chip for the time being (can't afford to upgrade all of it right now).

My question boils down to this. Reading this forum, I'm more than a _bit_ confused about the RAM. I never knew there was so much to picking the correct chip. I don't plan on overclocking (at least not now, wouldn't know how to anyway), and I'd like to have 512MB or 1 GB RAM. I thought that I'd go with the fastest the board will support, even though the 1.7 chip won't take advantage of it at this time. (PC3200? higher?) I use the system for web design, with a database on this machine for testing, so the more RAM I have the better. I'm also a gamer, but nothing hardcore. UO, WarCraft III, Sim City 4, Castle Wolfenstein, Star Wars Galaxies beta.

If all I want is a nice, quick, stable system, to just be able to plug the RAM in and go, what do you recommend?

And can anyone direct me to a newbie or beginners site for system tweaking? I'd like to actually learn what all of those ratings mean.

Thanks!


Don't know if it matters, but this is what I've currently got installed:

P4 1.7
256MB RDRAM (4 x 64MB RIMMS)
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro
Samsung DVD-ROM
NEC CD-RW
Maxtor 80 GB ATA133 HD
Western Digital 20 GB ATA100 HD
Antec 350W power supply
USB Zip drive
Floppy Drive

 

[ChefJoe]

Stryker, If I were you, I'd just sell my old RDRAM on the FS/FT forum and pick up a pair of 128 (if selling two) or 256 (if selling all 4) RDRAM modules (maybe even from the FS/FT forum).

While I agree that having a new motherboard would provide upgradeability, this P4P800 isn't that useful for people without the new intel CPUs. Sure, you've got some room overhead, but this motherboard is 1st generation SATA, it's not CSA, and these two features would probably be "updated" within a year (my guess) with a newer ASUS motherboard.

I believe proper Dual Channel DDR with PAT is only a little bit above RDRAM in terms of memory tests and really, a switch to a new motherboard and new RAM type all for the sake of adding some more memory just isn't worth the time it would take you to do.

Unless you're really planning on upgrading to a new CPU within the next 4-6 months or so, I think you'd be better off saving up, waiting for second generation SATA motherboards, better CSA implementation (while saturation by gigabit is an issue, offloading the 100 mbit connection will still help the PCI bus), and, by then, maybe memory makers will be selling Low Latency modules which work properly with these new intel chipsets.

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

becareful who you listen to ...

but i'm gonna be frank with ya ...

RDRAM is dead. Intel has dropped production for support of this RAM. AMD has never used RDRAM. So RDRAM is dead. Upgrading and spending money on dead technology is more foolish then spending money on first generation hardware.

Also chef is wrong ... dual channel ddr is infact faster than rdram.

using pc3200 in dual channel offers 6.4GB/second bandwidth while dual channel rdram offers at most 4.2GB/sec and thats pc1200. that stuff is expensive. DDR also has much lower latency. RDRAM has 45NS latency while PC3200 has 5NS latency. DDR not only has a higher bandwidth than RDRAM but it also has a much less latency. Therefore dual channel ddr is a lot faster than RDRAM. This is why Intel dropped RDRAM support. DDR is also a lot more popular and easier to find.

I personally think buying RDRAM is a waste of your money and you should infact save up for Dual Channel DDR technology based boards would be the wiser thing to do and save you money since RDRAM is dead.

Thats stupid to buy dead technology don't u think?

Most of the RAM problems people have here is because everyone is trying to overclock on this forum at the sametime try to overclock the RAM too and then wonder why it isn't booting lol! *so i got it up to 1200MHZ FSB but it keeps crashing!* DUH!!! stop overclocking!

anyway - becareful who you listen to! research it yourself.

 

[Kaama]

So, are you saying RDRAM is dead ?

I would be inclined to agree that, if the cost is about the same, it would be worth going the P4/DDR route, although not necessarily for the same reasons.

I'm sure it has been said lots before about hardware; you can always wait for the 'next best thing'. In a year or 2 you might have 2nd gen SATA but there will probably be first gen something else, or at least something else just around the corner.

Though I would say if you don't really need it right now, put off the purchase for as long as possible, prices will drop a bit, but there will always, always be something else on the horizon. So don't worry baout it, just get it when you really need it.

Just my opinion.
K

 

[donfm]

I am returning my MSI NEO-LSR board which is a piece of c**p. I want to get the P4P800 Deluxe but now I see that it doesn't like Corsair TWINX512-3200LLPT memory. Damn! I'm, stuck with this memory and I need Corsair PC3500 memory.

 

[ChefJoe]

Don, I've been able to run my single 512 mb stick of XMS PC3200LL at default voltage but with 2-3-2-6 times (3 being the CAS to RAS value). I think either will suit your needs, mainly becuase I believe the only difference between PC3500 and the 3200LL is how they qualify it and then burn in the appropriate SPD settings.

dwb (below), I think the current bios supports as high as 3.7 (based on a hardware info program I tried earlier... not sure which it was). They include a custom backplate (it's meant to be snapped into the spot left after removing your old backplate) to address the extra connectors back there.

 

[dwb122]

I'm going to be getting this mobo, but I have a question about the casing. Looking at a picture of the back of the P4P800, how are all the ports going to fit through the back of a case? Won't some of them be covered up? Or am I missing something here?

Another Q: what is the highest CPU speed the P4P800 can take?

 

[stardust]

3.2ghz canterwood and above...i guess as long as its 800fsb and a sprindale, the mobo can handle it
i jus bought the mobo, working great with kingston hyperX pc3500 @ 2-5-2-2 i dun see how u ppls have so many memory problems...of the 6 pcs i've built i've never realli had memory problems esp. timing issues...hmm but then again i always use 2.8v

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: dwb122
I'm going to be getting this mobo, but I have a question about the casing. Looking at a picture of the back of the P4P800, how are all the ports going to fit through the back of a case? Won't some of them be covered up? Or am I missing something here?

Another Q: what is the highest CPU speed the P4P800 can take?

It comes with a back plate so you won't lose anything.

It'll run any 800/533/400 FSB CPU that's Socket 478 as far as I know.

@Stardust: Did you Benchmark between memory timings? I run the same MB/Memory combo and saw a sizable drop in performance at 2-5-2-2. I think I ran PAT and Turbo but no o/c at the time.

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

Originally posted by: donfm
I am returning my MSI NEO-LSR board which is a piece of c**p. I want to get the P4P800 Deluxe but now I see that it doesn't like Corsair TWINX512-3200LLPT memory. Damn! I'm, stuck with this memory and I need Corsair PC3500 memory.

you should be fine. Corsair right now is recommending 2-3-3-6 timings for pc3200 because the bios is still new. Might even need a board revision to fix it. I hihgly doubt you will notice the difference. The only way is by benchmarking.

 

[anomaly]

What would the performance difference be between the P4P800 and the Abit IC7?

 

[dwb122]

Originally posted by: anomaly
What would the performance difference be between the P4P800 and the Abit IC7?

Tomshardware benchmarked the P4P800 against a few other boards, including the IC7-G. Don't know what the difference between the IC7 and the IC7-G is, though.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030521/800fsb-18.html

 

[morkman100]

I'm gathering that most of the memory issues with the 865 chipset is with low latency memory and/or overclocking potential.

Any memory recommendations for the P4P800 Deluxe (P4 2.8GHz 800) system that will not be overclocked? Main concern is stability. Something in the $75-100 per 512 MB DIMM (1 GB total memory wanted)...

Thanks,

 

[catss]

Hi running the P4P800 with 1GB Apacer PC3200, rockstable, no problems whatsoever. Price is about 80? / 512 MB. Would be nice for you morkman100

 

[dwb122]

Is Apacer considered to be a really good memory brand? Basically I want two PC3200 256mb sticks for my P4P800DX, don't know if I want to overclock. What would be the best, most reliable brand to get?