*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

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partha

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Did you notice any improvement in 3dmark scores or anything else after updating the driver? I have installed catalyst 3.5 but it's detecting at 4x. Is there anything else you did which could have changed the results. I'm wondering weather to worry about it or not.

I did not feel any difference in performance. And I don't think i did anything else to get the AGP 8X recognized. By the way, revision 00 in radeon 9500 pro represents revision 100 which is > than 30. So no need to worry for guys who have this 00 revision. I got this information from one post in abxzone. It is kind of baffling!! The millenium bug still haunts!!
 

bernse

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In my device manager, I have a yellow exclamation mark next to SM BUS CONTROLLER. I've updated to SP1 and its still there (it can't detect drivers). I downloaded the intel chipset drivers but as soon as I install them I get hard locks as soon as I start a 3D program (3dmark 2001 to be exact).

Does anyone else have this problem? Are they important?
 

spoondigity

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Yeah I don't know that the memory slots filled first really matters but I have seen the opposite reported and that the blues are running faster. Probably just goes to further that it makes no difference and results will vary. Blink, I did double check just so you didn't think I was blowing smoke and if you look in the P4P800's manual (newest english version anyway) the last line (#8) in section 2-11 says the blues are recommended.

I can comment on your other questions Blink but I may not have as much information as some others on this board.

1. I would recommend updating your bios. With that said, personally I do not use beta versions but others will take that chance. You will often tend to get more stability and options by updating your bios. I would also recommend going through the entire sequence of bios versions instead of skipping to the latest. Go through them all once and then if you ever have to reflash because you have a corrupt bios I would just flash the latest version that is usable from a corrupt bios.

2. When your machine posts (starts up and reports), you will see a dual channel message just before it reports the total amount of memory you have. If you do not see this message because it is happening too quickly, you can go into your bios and under the boot options (I think that is where it is if I remember correctly) there is an option to disable the asus splash screen. I would recommend doing this because it gives you a longer look at your post. If you still don't see the dual channel message, I would recommend first checking all of your important bios settings and making note of what they are. Then I would suggest going into the bios and hitting 'f5' to reset your bios to defaults. I have lost the dual channel message several times through overclocking or playing with my bios settings to the extreme. Everytime, reseting bios defaults has brought back the dual channel message. Then you can go on to 'tweak' you bios.

3. I am not sure on how to check for the agp8 status but someone else may be able to help you. My best guess would be to download a free copy of Sisoft's Sandra software as it has diagnostics that can tell you things you never ever knew about your computer. Believe me, it has EVERYTHING you can imagine. That program should tell you what your graphics card is running at.

4. One of the best places to check on corsair voltage settings for particular corsair memory is in the corsair forums under 'compatibility questions'. I know some of their memory for the Asus P4p800 has been recommended to be set at 2.75v. I run my corsair 3700 at this manually set voltage as advised by Ram Guy (corsair rep) but I am not 100% positive about the 3200's so you may double check on that forum.

5. As far as what else. You can try to overclock if you are comfortable with doing so. It can be a risk if not done correctly. Generally the simple way to begin is to manually increase the front side bus (fsb) above the standard settings for your chip (200 for the current p4's). I would advise reading up on everything involved with overclocking though since it almost an art form unto itself with many high end overclockers. If your system is up and running though, you are doing well already! If you want to know more about what your bios settings are then check out the optimization guide at this site http://www.rojakpot.com/

Good luck!
 

spoondigity

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Jul 9, 2003
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Bernse,

Someone else had the usb problem and I gave a description on page 14 of this thread as to how to fix that problem (the exclamation). Even if you get the intel inf to load you may still have the usb exclamation but I wrote up how to correct it if you want to check that page. As a side note. Asus juggled their usb drivers and I only found ones recommended specifically for winxp when I went to the U.S. page (instead of global) and checked under utilities instead of drivers (go figure they even call the link USB DRIVERS hehe).

Also, it is a long shot but have you tried downloading the inf drivers directly off of intel's site and running them? I never used my asus disk for drivers. I think they are the same but it is worth a shot...
 

bernse

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Aug 29, 2000
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Actually, my problem isn't with the USB - that reads fine - its the SM BUS CONTROLLER.

Yeah, I've downloaded them from Intel and Asus and I still get lockups.

Should I be installing them before anything else maybe? IE - Before vid drivers, SP1, etc...
 

spoondigity

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Jul 9, 2003
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Bernes my general process was:

1. bios updates from 1005-1008 running each one.
2. WinXP
3. Intel inf
4. lan drivers
5. usb drivers
6. audio drivers
7. WinXP updates along with directX9a
8. Graphics drivers very last thing (I have seen my system hang in 3d programs before when these drivers were not last to be installed).

I think I got them all in there but that is about what I did.
 

spoondigity

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Also,

Bernes, have you tried resetting your bios defaults with 'f5' as well? I would try to get into the OS with as little changed from bios defaults as possible if the system is hanging in a program. I.e., get it to defaults, change the bare minimums to make sure it starts up and gets into the OS and then try to load the drivers from there. One setting in the bios being off can totally cause havoc. I ran into a case like this a few weeks back myself on an older system that was hanging in 3d applications. I finally found the one setting in the bios it didn't like and everything was gravy after that.
 

bernse

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OK - I'll try installing them first before anything else. I am at the stage of super-fresh install.

I'll let you know.
 

spoondigity

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Jul 9, 2003
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Once you get it up and running it should be worth the effort. I have been messing around for about a week on mine and I haven't even pushed the overclock limits yet. So far I am running stable at 233mhz fsb with retail heatsink/fan. I have several extra fans in my case though and I installed a fan on my chipset heatsink as well. If needed I will pick up an upgrade heatsink/fan but no reason yet as I have monitoring on everything and temps seem stable. I have run memtest86 completely through with the system overclocked at just under a 3.3ghz (chip is a 2.8c) and everthing passed with no problems.
 

Elvis2

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Can anyone tell me why I'm getting video artifacts while o/c'ing my P4P800 Deluxe eventhough I have the AGP/PCI Freqs. set at 66/33? Does this feature work. It's not too bad at 220 fsb but gets much worse@ 240 fsb.
System specs:

2.8C
P4P800 Deluxe
2x256 OCZ pc3700 Gold @ 2.75V 2,3,3,7,4
Hercules 9800 Pro with 3.6 cats
Antec 480 True Power
CPU Temp:
Idle 28C Load 33C
Mainboard Temp:
Idle 37C Load 42C

TIA
 

Flakk

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Dec 12, 2002
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I can't upgrade to 1009 because it doesn't recognize my raid drive anymore on the via controller. The new Via 1.20 version in 1009 doesnt seem to work with drives formed with the older 1.12(!) Does anyone know how to get around this problem without having to re-stripe? I do want to be able to upgrade my bios in the future.... :\
 

Slammy1

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Hmmm. To the person with the Raptor and IDE drive. I just installed my Raptor yesterday, and the only way I could get it to run as c: was to install the IDE drive on the RAID controller. I now have a serious conflict with the 3Com on-board and the VIA RAID, but I lose my data drive if I disable it. I've had problems with the VIA RAID controller since BIOS 1.008, where I noticed a huge drop in HD performance.

EDIT: I think you have to have either the primary or secondary IDE openso the S-ATA can map to that channel and can be used as a boot device. It's not supposed to do this according to the manual, only on legacy OS's and I'm running XP Home.
 

bernse

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Aug 29, 2000
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Got it running. Just had to install the chipset drivers before anything else.

Thanks!
 

b4u

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Originally posted by: spoondigity
Also, it is a long shot but have you tried downloading the inf drivers directly off of intel's site and running them? I never used my asus disk for drivers. I think they are the same but it is worth a shot...

[1] Did you download it from this intel support page (3. INF Update Utility (Zip Version) (1683KB) version:5.0 date:4/14/2003)?

[2] What driver does it substitutes? The VIA RAID driver V1.20 for Windows 95/98/NT40/ME/2000/XP on ASUS download page?

[3] You install the other drivers from the ASUS page? (3com Gigabit LOM (3C940) WHQL Driver V1.00.00.0044 and the SoundMAX Audio Driver version 5.12.01.3630 WHQL driver)

[4] I can see the following links on ASUS download page:
- USB 2.0 Driver for Windows 98/ME (OS: Win98SE / WinME # version: 1.1.0.2)
- USB 2.0 Driver for Windows 2000 (OS: Win2K / WinXP # version: 1.00)
My questions: For Windows XP should I install the second one (version 1.00)? Shouldn't WinXP Pro autodetect USB 2.0 ports? Which one you installed?


Thanks
 

spoondigity

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Great to hear it is working bernse.

b4u,

Intel's site layout has changed since then but yes, that is what I picked up. The latest version of their inf update utilty.

I didn't want the via ide raid or firewire (already have firewire) so I just got the non deluxe P4P800 (not a big fan of via chipsets myself and didn't have the need). Since the via chipset is not on my board I haven't looked but I would guess you need to get the via drivers seperately to make sure as it is an entirely different chip on the board. I would definitely not install them before you have installed the intel inf files. The intel drivers are specifically for their 865 chipset while the via drivers are specifically for their ide raid chip although it is possible that they could be bundled in the inf (but not likely).

I did not install the WHQL drivers from 3com. They had a much smaller 3com driver package out on the Asus page that gets your lan going without the need for that larger set. I did install the smaller 3com lan drivers, then the usb 2.0 drivers, and then my audigy sound drivers (I do not use onboard sound so I did not install them). I just tend to be very particular about my driver installations. I like to have individual basic driver files for each item I am working on.

For the usb, I went to this page http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4P800 and then hit utilities. The last file listed is what I used for WinXP. I think it depends on how you do your driver installs as to whether or not they auto install. Windows auto update probably will pick it up and do it for you (Again, I did not check because I don't install drivers this way unless I can't find a copy of them individually to begin with). Some people going through different processes will not have the usb drivers installed and a question was posted about it earlier. My advice was to do the individual install since this was the easiest most sure fire way to get the problem resolved.

Hope it helps...

 

friendofp

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Originally posted by: bernse
Got it running. Just had to install the chipset drivers before anything else.

Thanks!

When you installed the chipset drivers did the SM Bus exclamation go away? I've got that one on my pc, but its been running fine the whole time.
Thanks!
 

bernse

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Aug 29, 2000
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Yep.

The problem is that I was installing the chipset drivers last before. While that made the SM BUS exclamation go away too, it cause my system to hang.

So, all I did was install it before I did any other driver/SP installs. The mark went away then too. I am *guessing* its actually only important they are installed before the vid drivers, but thats just a guess.

My PC ran "fine" with it there too, but I noticed about a 10% or so increase in 3dmark 2001 with them installed. Definetly something a person *should* have, but not apparently not critical.
 

ScottDoom

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Jul 18, 2003
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Help!

I just bought this motherboard today at a local store. I bought the P4P800-VM (mini-ATX) form. The only other one they had was the Deluxe version, and I didn't really need the extra features and overclocking abilities. I never overclock or tweak stuff.

I set the motherboard up and plugged in everything except the CD1 sound thing. My 4-pin connecter is smaller than the 4-pin connector on the motherboard. What is up with that? Can I get an adapter?

Anyway, I started up the PC and it showed the Asus screen. I can go into the BIOS set up from there if I want. After that, it shows a black screen with a blinking underscore. Then it shows an error screen from Windows that says Windows cannot load and it may be caused "by new hardware." It gives me the option to run it in safe mode and that doesn't work either. I'm using 512MB PC2100 Elixir RAM from crucial.com.

I went out and spent my money on the best graphics card (ATI 9800 Pro 128MB) and a really good motherboard and neither of them work.
 

ScottDoom

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Jul 18, 2003
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Phew. Nevermind. I just reinstalled Windows XP. It's all good now. I'm putting in the ATI 9800 Pro 128MB to see if it works...
 

ChefJoe

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Originally posted by: asadovsky
If you aren't planning to do serious overclocking, I would recommend some Corsair XMS 3200 RAM. If you want a little fast RAM, you can go for the low-latency modules, but those cost a little more. You can also get higher speed (3500 or 3700) RAM but unless you plan to overclock, 3200 will be perfect for your needs.

http://www.corsairmemory.com/xms/buyers_guide_jun-2003b.pdf Corsair doesn't recommend 3200 for anything other than 2*256 configs.
 

cineb313

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Re all the memory questions, believe the AnandTech article for the 865PE motherboards was excellent. In the end, I decided to put two 512 Crucial DDR 3200 chips in the P4P800D and would like to report that all is working well for the past two weeks. Tweaked it to 2.5-3-2-5 per the article -- fast and stable. Unless one is into extreme overclocking, I would agree with the article that says this RAM is the best bang for the buck -- $90 for one 512 stick. Memory was certainly my first concern for the motherboard -- works great with video editing. Chrs, ptb
 

VoodooAlien

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Jul 8, 2003
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Help! I think I screwed up...

I've got a pretty similar rig as a few of you:

P4P800 Deluxe (BIOS 1008.004)
P4 2.8C
Antec Sonata case (380W PSU)
Maxtor DiamondMAX +9 120GB 8MB
and then the kicker...
1GB (matched) GeIL Golden Dragon PC3500 Dual Channel

I'm having major issues gettin this ram to work at ALL...even non-OCing.

Both sticks worked in blue slot about a week...long enough for me NOT to be able to RMA them back to newegg...now I can't get the system to even POST. Ever. Even with one stick...in any slot.

I'm not OCing...just running defaults...200FSB, timings at C2.5-4-4-8. Well, I would be running defaults if it would come up...


 

ChefJoe

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Just an FYI, in line with what AT news reported about Prescott support, Asus has edited their website (yes, the specs page I linked to as #27 http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=20040&ATVAR_START=21&p=2 originally said prescott support) so that their boards no longer indicate prescott support. I noticed this while seeing that the 1009-006 bios is out http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4P800%20Deluxe that the specs page on the .de site had no Prescott name. Changing to the US server showed the similar removal http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4P800%20Deluxe&langs=09#.

Now, AT-Motherboards, who has saved or scanned a copy of the original page stating prescott support and would be willing to send it (zip file of all - with pics) to me ? I'd be willing to host it. UPDATE: Found a copy on one of my home machines: My hosting of the P4P800-Deluxe specs page - cache from 7-13-2003

If you haven't yet visited the updated asus page, you may still have it in your computer's cache. This one doesn't anymore. Steps to take in IE 6.0: Go Offline, then type in your address bar: usa.asus.com, push the down arrow to see history for an item that looks like http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4P800%20Deluxe&langs=09 (usa , langs fields may be different) , then highlight, push enter, the page may load from cache or it'll tell you that it needs to connect to get the page (staying offline keeps you from updating the cache).... save web page, complete.

Hehehe.... even more fun for the P4C800 as things haven't fully propagated yet. http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4C800%20Deluxe&langs=09 vs langs=01 version http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4C800%20Deluxe&langs=01

I'm kind of peeved that the information we've been getting about a shipping product has been incorrect for almost two months and the company is changing things and sweeping it under the rug without ever officially acknowledging that they goofed. I'd be fine if the prescott support was something we all assumed because the chipset supports it but the issue is that Asus advertised this as a major selling point and put it in their press releases for these products... an official statement and perhaps a solution is called for.

EDIT: Prescott support is now indicated (after being indicated at launch, disappearing for a few days, and now being re-added) on the asus website. They did remove a few exclaimation points from the statement in this revision though.
 
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