*** Official ASUS P5W DH Thread ***

[mkln]

Originally posted by: SavageThrash
Hey all, i haven't been up to date on this thread for a while. Any new bios updates (last i got was probably December or so) and also is it possible to run any memory faster then pc-6400? I may be able to get a deal on some pc-8000 stuff, is it gonna work fine with this mobo or am i best to stick with pc-6400?

Thnx Savage

unless you already have ram, go ahead and purchase it. if you already have 2GB of pc2-6400 ram, you will not see much, if any performance difference b/w 800MHz ram and 1000MHz ram unless you plan on OCing your FSB over 400MHz. if you happen to have an e6600, 400fsb is all you really need (with a 9x multi, it is possible for you to get an OC of 50% to 3.6GHz). also, if you already have 2GB of ram and are planning on using 4GB total, i feel i should just let you know that unless you are using a 64bit OS, although windows server 2003 and windows 2000 are capable, you will not be able to fully utilize the 4GB, even though it is theoretically possible. (2^32bits = 4GB)

in short, if you already have 2GB of ram, save your money for a more worthwhile upgrade.

hope that helps

 

[Pippo]

Thanks MKLN; by disabling the CPU Q-fan the temp were 5 degrees lower according to CoreTemp while Probe 2 showed the temp to be 60 and stayed like that most of the time so even higher than before; looks like probe isn't working well.
Furthermore if very often shows the power fan RPM to be 0 while the fan is moving.
Can anyone suggest me a more reliable utility to replace Probe 2?

1 more question; I have 3 ide devices (dvd reader, dvd burner and seagate disc) plus 1 SATA hard disk, what would it be the best way to connect them?

Totally agree with MKLM regarding the 4GB configuration being not worth the expenses; it could be addressed only theoretically since part of that ram is needed by other devices, what goes by shared memory in some video cards specification
Pietro

 

[imported_Michka]

Originally posted by: mkln

Originally posted by: Michka
Hello,
Decided to test the cpu qfan system on the mobo. It seems to me that the speed of the fan is not controlled by the cpu or core temp, but by the chipset temp instead. Which is very stupid in my view. Any idea on this? Am I wrong?

i have not noticed that. iirc, the stock CPU fan will rev up as the CPU temp goes up.

Which program do you use to check the fan speed? Speedfan for me.
Which BIOS version on your P5W DH? 2004 here.
High performance profile chosen for qfan.
And stock C2D E6600 CPU fan.

When switching from idle to full load (Orthos, blend of cpu and mem stressing) the CPU temp goes from 34 to 57 C, core temp from 40 to 65 C in a few minutes, but the chipset remains at 45 C for quite longer. The fan speed does not change.
However, after some tens of minutes the chipset raises to 47 C with no change in the CPU temps and then the fan goes gradually from around 2500 rpm to 3000 rpm.
Same thing happens when going back to idle, the cpu temps go back down very rapidly and the fan speed remains constant till the chipset starts very slowly to cool down.

In fact, this would be very understandable, although quite stupid, as the chipset temp sensor is always the same no matter which cpu (P4, C2D, etc) you use. Whereas the cpu temp specs and sensors vary from cpu to cpu. So, controlling the fan speed from the cpu temp would require a temp/speed relation profile depending on the cpu installed, wouldn't it?

Well, I will try tonight to control the cpu fan by Speedfan and see if that changes something. In Speedfan you can choose which temp sensor controls which fan, which is not the case with qfan.

 

[imported_Michka]

Originally posted by: Pippo
Thanks MKLN; by disabling the CPU Q-fan the temp were 5 degrees lower according to CoreTemp while Probe 2 showed the temp to be 60 and stayed like that most of the time so even higher than before; looks like probe isn't working well.
Furthermore if very often shows the power fan RPM to be 0 while the fan is moving.
Can anyone suggest me a more reliable utility to replace Probe 2?

1 more question; I have 3 ide devices (dvd reader, dvd burner and seagate disc) plus 1 SATA hard disk, what would it be the best way to connect them?

Totally agree with MKLM regarding the 4GB configuration being not worth the expenses; it could be addressed only theoretically since part of that ram is needed by other devices, what goes by shared memory in some video cards specification
Pietro

Are you using the latest version of ProbeII? I had problems with all but the latest version of the prog (see on the Asus site for the latest version). This beeing said, I use Speedfan and have no problem with it. You have to configure it however because at installation it will show you something like temp1, temp2, ... speed1, speed2, ... fan1, fan2, ... etc. You have to find out which one is cpu, core0, etc.
Concerning the disks, if you wnat your S-ATA hdd to be the boot disk, you should connect it to the black sata connector from the ICH7. If not, I guess any red connector is OK. Remember also that Asus states that the JMicron P-ATA connector cannot control ATAPI (cd, dvd) drives. Although some people state the contrary. I would connect the two dvd to the ICH7 P-ATA connector and the P-ATA HDD to the JMicron one. But I have two S-ATA HDD and two P-ATA dvd, so I cannot test your config.

 

[mkln]

Originally posted by: Pippo
Thanks MKLN; by disabling the CPU Q-fan the temp were 5 degrees lower according to CoreTemp while Probe 2 showed the temp to be 60 and stayed like that most of the time so even higher than before; looks like probe isn't working well.
Furthermore if very often shows the power fan RPM to be 0 while the fan is moving.
Can anyone suggest me a more reliable utility to replace Probe 2?

1 more question; I have 3 ide devices (dvd reader, dvd burner and seagate disc) plus 1 SATA hard disk, what would it be the best way to connect them?

Totally agree with MKLM regarding the 4GB configuration being not worth the expenses; it could be addressed only theoretically since part of that ram is needed by other devices, what goes by shared memory in some video cards specification
Pietro

i use everest ultimate - it monitors just about everything. as for the connection of your ide devices, i would probably set the hard drive using the southbridge IDE connector, and use the JMicron IDE connector for your DVD drives...although i would recommend you replace the IDE HDD w/ a SATA HDD, and just have both the DVD drives on the southbridge IDE connector as i have heard problems with the JMicron.

 

[mkln]

Originally posted by: Michka

Which program do you use to check the fan speed? Speedfan for me.
Which BIOS version on your P5W DH? 2004 here.
High performance profile chosen for qfan.
And stock C2D E6600 CPU fan.

When switching from idle to full load (Orthos, blend of cpu and mem stressing) the CPU temp goes from 34 to 57 C, core temp from 40 to 65 C in a few minutes, but the chipset remains at 45 C for quite longer. The fan speed does not change.
However, after some tens of minutes the chipset raises to 47 C with no change in the CPU temps and then the fan goes gradually from around 2500 rpm to 3000 rpm.
Same thing happens when going back to idle, the cpu temps go back down very rapidly and the fan speed remains constant till the chipset starts very slowly to cool down.

In fact, this would be very understandable, although quite stupid, as the chipset temp sensor is always the same no matter which cpu (P4, C2D, etc) you use. Whereas the cpu temp specs and sensors vary from cpu to cpu. So, controlling the fan speed from the cpu temp would require a temp/speed relation profile depending on the cpu installed, wouldn't it?

Well, I will try tonight to control the cpu fan by Speedfan and see if that changes something. In Speedfan you can choose which temp sensor controls which fan, which is not the case with qfan.

i use everest for monitoring everything and use ATITool to control the fan speed of my video card.

bios version: 1707

as for q-fan, i would suggest you disable it altogether and allow the fan to rev up to its max speed. when i first got my system up and running, i had q-fan on the 'optimal' setting iirc, and had noticed that my temps were quite high. after i disabled q-fan, i had noticed a drop of about 5 degrees in core (coretemp) and IHS (which is what the bios monitors). noise wasnt a huge issue, but i decided for better cooling and got the tuniq.

one thing i noticed that was odd in your post is that you said that the fan can reach speeds of 3000RPM! i was not aware that was possible. i believe the max RPM is around 1700-1800.

i still believe that the temp sensor that controls the fan is the BIOS CPU temp and not the mobo/chipset temp, although the only proof i actually have/had was my observation when i had qfan enabled with the stock cooler.

 

[imported_Michka]

Well, two weeks ago the weather was quite hot here and the so-called mobo temp was up to 49 C. At that time, the cpu fan went up in the 3200 rpm. Stock cooler that is. I know, it is higher than what is written in the Intel specs.
But this was with performance profile, not optimal.
As I said, I will try to control the fan speed with something else than qfan. And will report here.

 

[SavageThrash]

Much appreciated mkln

Im also only going to use 2gb of ram now anyways, maybe use 4gb when i move over to the 64bit vista sitting in my desk for dx10 games.

 

[Pippo]

Thnks everyone! I have the 2 dvd in the ICH7, the PATA in JMicron and the SATA (boot drive) in SATA 1 which is what the manual suggested for this configuration; the problem is that JMicron raid applicaton crashes in startup and actually i didn't mean to do a RAID configuration. In the weekend I will check the jumper settings or bios settings regarding the JMicron.
Will dl speedfan and see what readings I get.
BTW PROBE 2 is ver. 1.04.12
ciao
P.

 

[MJDykas]

Hey Guy's.... great forum here, very informative, one of the best I seen so far. I just built a new PC with this board, everything is up and running. I flashed to the latest BIOS 2004, have all my updates and so far all is well. I have Corsair TwinXMS 6400pro # Tested at 5-5-5-12-T1 latency settings at 1.9V # SPD programmed at 5-5-5-12-T1 values for memory.
My system is liquid cooled CPU, 2 X GPU's I have a E6700 and 2xz ATI 1950's in crossfire mode.
I'm totally brain dead when it come to overclocking. I've read most of the post but there still is some things I'm not sure of. I know I can set my FSB to 333, I know how to do that..
I've tweaked my BIOS, by disabling all that needs to be for better performance. At first my DDR2 800 wasn't showing up as it should but I put in the right spec's above and thats all fine and dandy now. So I guess my questions are, Should I leave the multipier at 10 X 333 ?
I know this will change my memory timings, should I put them back to the above specs or leave them what they get set to after entering the new FSB # 266 to 333. I'm not interested to pushing the CPU to the max, just kind of want a tad more out of it, and keeping it stable too.

Also whats a good number for the 5th # in the manual mem settings....I'm at a loss at what it's called. Does the T1 value mean stock ? as is ?

Thanks in advance for any info

Mike

 

[mkln]

Originally posted by: SavageThrash
Much appreciated mkln

Im also only going to use 2gb of ram now anyways, maybe use 4gb when i move over to the 64bit vista sitting in my desk for dx10 games.

np , 2GB of ram is plenty anyways for todays games. the extra money is better spend on a higher end vid card if the main purpose is gaming.

Originally posted by: MJDykas
Hey Guy's.... great forum here, very informative, one of the best I seen so far. I just built a new PC with this board, everything is up and running. I flashed to the latest BIOS 2004, have all my updates and so far all is well. I have Corsair TwinXMS 6400pro # Tested at 5-5-5-12-T1 latency settings at 1.9V # SPD programmed at 5-5-5-12-T1 values for memory.
My system is liquid cooled CPU, 2 X GPU's I have a E6700 and 2xz ATI 1950's in crossfire mode.
I'm totally brain dead when it come to overclocking. I've read most of the post but there still is some things I'm not sure of. I know I can set my FSB to 333, I know how to do that..
I've tweaked my BIOS, by disabling all that needs to be for better performance. At first my DDR2 800 wasn't showing up as it should but I put in the right spec's above and thats all fine and dandy now. So I guess my questions are, Should I leave the multipier at 10 X 333 ?
I know this will change my memory timings, should I put them back to the above specs or leave them what they get set to after entering the new FSB # 266 to 333. I'm not interested to pushing the CPU to the max, just kind of want a tad more out of it, and keeping it stable too.

Also whats a good number for the 5th # in the manual mem settings....I'm at a loss at what it's called. Does the T1 value mean stock ? as is ?

Thanks in advance for any info

Mike

sorry, but i kind of found it funny that you are running a water-cooled setup and said that you are "totally brain dead when it come to overclocking" .

anyways, there is supposed to be a bit of performance increase when you run your ram:fsb ratio is 1:1, however, i wouldn't worry about that as you will not notice any real world difference. just set your ram as close to ddr 800 if you can, just so as to not run it out of spec where it can cause errors.

dont worry too much about the 5th value, in fact, you should not worry too much about any of the timings as intel chipsets tend to notice more of a performance increase in memory bandwidth instead. but since you asked, heres a pretty good link on memory timings:

http://www.maxitmag.com/mag-guides/articles/the-memory-bible/

hope that helps

 

[imported_Michka]

OK, so I used Speedfan to control the cpu fan. And indeed it behaves completely differently than when using the Asus qfan. I am now clearly convinced that qfan changes the cpu fan speed acording to the mobo temp.
However, Speedfan unfortunately has only one turning temp point: below the given temp it runs the fan at the lowest speed, and above the temp it increases the speed to the max. Kind of an on/off switch.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Michka
Well, two weeks ago the weather was quite hot here and the so-called mobo temp was up to 49 C. At that time, the cpu fan went up in the 3200 rpm. Stock cooler that is. I know, it is higher than what is written in the Intel specs.
But this was with performance profile, not optimal.
As I said, I will try to control the fan speed with something else than qfan. And will report here.

This mobo can have a safe upper limit of 65c - at least so says Asus:

http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe


"It should be normal if the motherboard temperature is within the range of 40~65 degrees Celsius.
The motherboard temperature sensor has been placed between ICH7R Silicon Image 4723.
This is the second hottest place on the motherboard apart from the CPU, also at the airway of chassis fan, to ensure Q'Fan2 is capable of managing chassis fans in the most efficient manner.
Hence, it means the motherboard temperature reading on this board may be quite hot as compared to other motherboards when its overall temperature is not really that much hotter.
Your system should be OK if it is within this temperature range. "

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: MJDykas
Hey Guy's.... great forum here, very informative, one of the best I seen so far. I just built a new PC with this board, everything is up and running. I flashed to the latest BIOS 2004, have all my updates and so far all is well. I have Corsair TwinXMS 6400pro # Tested at 5-5-5-12-T1 latency settings at 1.9V # SPD programmed at 5-5-5-12-T1 values for memory.
My system is liquid cooled CPU, 2 X GPU's I have a E6700 and 2xz ATI 1950's in crossfire mode.
I'm totally brain dead when it come to overclocking. I've read most of the post but there still is some things I'm not sure of. I know I can set my FSB to 333, I know how to do that..
I've tweaked my BIOS, by disabling all that needs to be for better performance. At first my DDR2 800 wasn't showing up as it should but I put in the right spec's above and thats all fine and dandy now. So I guess my questions are, Should I leave the multipier at 10 X 333 ?
I know this will change my memory timings, should I put them back to the above specs or leave them what they get set to after entering the new FSB # 266 to 333. I'm not interested to pushing the CPU to the max, just kind of want a tad more out of it, and keeping it stable too.

Also whats a good number for the 5th # in the manual mem settings....I'm at a loss at what it's called. Does the T1 value mean stock ? as is ?

Thanks in advance for any info

Mike

Phile posted some info on making moderate OC on this mobo earlier in the thread (3rd post down):

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...STARTPAGE=87&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear


There is also this step-by-step thread from another forum:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware...erclocking-Guide-v1-ftopict197995.html

This was interesting too:
http://www.motherboardpoint.com/t160797...cking-e6600-on-asus-p5w-dh-deluxe.html

I just OC'ed for first time this week. Got it to 3.0 pretty easily. It makes a noticable difference too but usually I am not doing anything that intense so I didn't leave it OC'ed.

 

[imported_Michka]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Michka
Well, two weeks ago the weather was quite hot here and the so-called mobo temp was up to 49 C. At that time, the cpu fan went up in the 3200 rpm. Stock cooler that is. I know, it is higher than what is written in the Intel specs.
But this was with performance profile, not optimal.
As I said, I will try to control the fan speed with something else than qfan. And will report here.

This mobo can have a safe upper limit of 65c - at least so says Asus:

http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe


"It should be normal if the motherboard temperature is within the range of 40~65 degrees Celsius.
The motherboard temperature sensor has been placed between ICH7R Silicon Image 4723.
This is the second hottest place on the motherboard apart from the CPU, also at the airway of chassis fan, to ensure Q'Fan2 is capable of managing chassis fans in the most efficient manner.
Hence, it means the motherboard temperature reading on this board may be quite hot as compared to other motherboards when its overall temperature is not really that much hotter.
Your system should be OK if it is within this temperature range. "

What I mentionned was that the Intel specs state that the max speed of the stock fan is 2800 rpm. But I saw it running at 3200 rpm (at least that's what Speedfan told me).
I know that 49 C for the "mobo" temp is OK.
Anyway, from my trials, it is quite obvious (to me at least) that qfan regulates the cpu fan speed based on the "mobo" temp, not from the cpu or the core temps.

 

[imgeorgelin]

I just added an extra hard drive using the Jmicron connector because all the other ones are used. But I can't format the drive to FAT and only NTFS is available. Is there a fix for this? Thanks!

 

[Pippo]

I added an IDE drive to jmicron but i have the jmicron raid application crash; did you experience such a situation?
ciao,
P.

 

[imgeorgelin]

It didn't crash on me. I fixed the problem by installing the "Standard IDE Controller" in windows by updating the driver of "JMIcron Raid ...Controller" (forgot the exact name). Then both sata and IDE works. I didn't try the raid cause I set jmicron to "basic" or "ahci" in Bios

Originally posted by: Pippo
I added an IDE drive to jmicron but i have the jmicron raid application crash; did you experience such a situation?
ciao,
P.

 

[cherrypik]

I still can not get S3 to work. Is this is MB issue, Ms issue or GPU?

 

[Strebor]

Is my q6600 a dud or is there something I'm missing. For the life of me I cant get it to boot over 2.5 (277fsb), Details

 

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: Strebor
Is my q6600 a dud or is there something I'm missing. For the life of me I cant get it to boot over 2.5 (277fsb), Details

You don't mention your memory at all, it's not running at 1.8-1.9V by any chance? If so then it's flaking out hence the stability issues. Also some memory won't like HyperPath3 enabled in the BIOS.

I'm running the QX6700 on this board on a 333MHz FSB so it's not the board but rather a setting you have in the BIOS.

 

[Strebor]

Its the G.Skill 2GBHZ 6400 2x1 GB kit mentioned in my other post. I've had it manually set to 2-2.1. I've also tried under and overclocking it, and turned HP3 on and off.

Played around with it some more, and noticed that cpuz reports a Trc of 20 or 21 depending on the other settings, and the memory is supposed to run at a Trc of 36.

What can I check the memory voltage with in windows?

 

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: Strebor
Its the G.Skill 2GBHZ 6400 2x1 GB kit mentioned in my other post. I've had it manually set to 2-2.1. I've also tried under and overclocking it, and turned HP3 on and off.

Played around with it some more, and noticed that cpuz reports a Trc of 20 or 21 depending on the other settings, and the memory is supposed to run at a Trc of 36.

What can I check the memory voltage with in windows?

Could you make some photos of the important BIOS option screens and post them somewhere?

This would help us debug your issue a lot.

 

[Strebor]

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[mkln]

wow...the first thing i noticed was that vcore was incredibly low @ 1.208. most likely that is your problem.

i currently have mine set @ 1.3 in the BIOS, but it is closer to 1.28-1.29 b/c of vdroop perhaps, and have it running @ 333FSB * 9multi ( = about 3GHz).

hope that helps.