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Termie

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Lack of destruction worked for BF2. The map designs were open and yet were made to channel you down several paths, and without destruction, the maps flows in a nice way.

The loadout options were great. Nothing was overpowered (except possibly the medic), and any change was merely a side grade. Every class had their role, and they stick to it. A death never felt cheap because you knew exactly what everyone's fighting ability was.

Strategy was made from the squads. You have 6 spots, and you can only spawn on the leader. Leader tends to be a medic or a sniper so that they can stay back or support. You need one support to get ammunition. One spec ops to destroy assets and possibly tanks, AT or two for tank work. Assaults are nice because they get sole use of smoke grenades.

The limited loadouts forced you to work toward your role. An AT is never able to beat a spec ops at long range unless the spec ops doesn't see him first, because his gun is so ineffective at longer than short ranges, on the other hand. The Assault can beat spec ops because his armor reduces damage by a ton and the G3 has good force projection out to medium long ranges.

The sniper rifle was NEVER cheap. You had a choice between semi auto or m95 bolt. One shot doesn't kill unless you hit them in the head. There was none of this combat sniper stuff.

This causes strategies to form around the classes. There was none of this explosions everywhere (except for grenades or artillery). So the game was slower. Lack of destruction meant that proper fire lanes formed. The AT was all about skill because it had 0 splash. It was a direct hit or nothing.

I don't know, I sometimes think destruction is a bit detrimental to BF3. It forces you to always be running around instead of giving you the chance to fuck behind a car and start shooting back in a calm way.

Not saying that BF3 is bad, its fun in it's own chaotic way, but I like nostalgia'ing about simpler days where things seemed so much more fair.

I hear you on squad strategy and playing class roles. That's definitely taken a step back in BF3. Destruction, on the other hand, is an improvement. No more sitting behind a wall taken pot shots at tank gunners.

By the way, I have a feeling you didn't mean quite what you said there.
 

Exterous

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I got 60+ kills in that video, and when I used to gun for expandas 50 to 70 kills was normal.

Man - he probably was sadpanda when I was gunning for him and didn't get nearly as many kills...

Also, pet peeve... If I hop in your tank, man the machine gun for you, and hop out to repair you after battles with other tanks, don't just f#cking leave me there and drive off, you inconsiderate douche.

I hate that too. I will admit that I have done it on occasion though. Usually I am trying to fight 2+ vehicles at once and I dont even notice I am being repaired

Anyone else taken a trip down memory lane lately?

The thing that gets me is really the destruction. Can't hide behind the invulnerable building wall now. I love the fact that I have to decide between hiding behind the wall from bullets or risking bullets and staying away from the wall so a rocket doesn't kill me. And I get a lot of satisfaction when I see someone hiding behind a wall and then blow up the wall with a rocket killing them. IMO this was a huge FPS advance

Dont notice as much about the graphics - well until maybe tomorrow night
 

Exterous

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I don't know, I sometimes think destruction is a bit detrimental to BF3. It forces you to always be running around instead of giving you the chance to fuck behind a car and start shooting back in a calm way.

Well - you can still fuck behind a car - just make sure its blowed up first. I made that mistake more than a couple of times before I learned.
'I'll go hide over...wait - nope. That vehicle is a bomb waiting to go off in my face'

The destruction might just take a while to get used to - there are still places you can hide behind you just have to be smarter about it now

The one thing that really bugs me is how long it takes to get up from prone - esp when revived. Can we get a 'roll to the side' button?

One time I went prone to avoid enemy fire and accidentally layed down in a fire. I frantically tried to get my character up but by the time he was standing and could move I died of 'bad luck'
 

Termie

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Dont notice as much about the graphics - well until maybe tomorrow night

Come back and tell us what you really think once you have that little upgrade installed, ok?

Well - you can still fuck behind a car - just make sure its blowed up first. I made that mistake more than a couple of times before I learned.
'I'll go hide over...wait - nope. That vehicle is a bomb waiting to go off in my face'

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So you think he meant to say that?!?
 

Childs

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Man - he probably was sadpanda when I was gunning for him and didn't get nearly as many kills...

I'm not going to say I overstated it, but when you have two gunners and a repair guy its not too hard to do. Its easier to do it in the bus than it is with a regular gun. One time I was banned when I hit 50 kills with 200 tickets to go. When you have an AT squad everyone usually works together to keep the bus in the air, so you just stay up in the air and rack up the kills/points. For the most part its just shooting fish in a barrel. Some of it depends on the other team....if panda is constantly trying to break locks or there is a good jet pilot, you dont get enough looks to put up the numbers. But to be fair I havent played in awhile, so maybe its not that easy to do now if everyone has all the vehicle unlocks.

I think I still might have a game capture where Vulgar, Expandas, Roadkill and I combined for like 200 kills, without the bus, on Caspian, and we still lost! lol Imagine if we had the bus...its like getting the AC130 in COD.
 

OptimumSlinky

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I get really bad chuggling on map changes with xfire.



I'm guessing it wasnt, I have no idea what his battlog ID is though, but thats a huge pet peeve of mine as well

No, no, my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, especially not from this forum. I just played one long conquest game last night, and literally had three separate drivers do this to me while I'm trying to support them, and all three times I got picked off by a sniper immediately after.

Termie, I think you mentioned the RAM thing before. I have 6GB of PC1333 RAM. It just boggles my mind that this game would eat through 6GB of system memory, and then 2GB of video memory (in CrossFire), and still want more, especially since I keep my systems very clean and don't multitask...ever.
 
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Exterous

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Come back and tell us what you really think once you have that little upgrade installed, ok?

I have already informed my wife that she will be on her own for entertainment this Friday night. She didn't seem to mind. She said Ted was taking her dinner anyway. She sure does hang out with Ted a lot. Maybe I should be suspicious? Hmmm....I'll check her email after I check mine for a tracking update.

Damn you UPS! Update your tracking! Now -what was I talking about? :hmm: Well - probably wasn't important...

(Heh - this post of mine was post #6950)
So you think he meant to say that?!?

I make no judgements about what he chooses to do with other male game characters behind a car

I'm not going to say I overstated it, but when you have two gunners and a repair guy its not too hard to do. Its easier to do it in the bus than it is with a regular gun.

I still have a hard time hitting infantry with the minigun. I'm getting better but there is still room for improvement
 

Termie

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Termie, I think you mentioned the RAM thing before. I have 6GB of PC1333 RAM. It just boggles my mind that this game would eat through 6GB of system memory, and then 2GB of video memory (in CrossFire), and still want more, especially since I keep my systems very clean and don't multitask...ever.

Ok, a few tips. First, are you you on 1156 or 1366? If you're on 1156, that means you're running a mixed set of memory sticks, and that was a big no-no for me when I installed crossfire. It actually flat-out didn't work (wouldn't load cleanly into Windows).

Second, BF3 with crossfire uses more than 6GB. Your hitching is caused by your page file being hit. I can promise you that if you simply upgrade to 8GB (which would be easy and cheap if you're on 1156), your problems will disappear. If you're on 1366, it's still not that expensive to go to 12GB.

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Damn you UPS! Update your tracking! Now -what was I talking about? :hmm: Well - probably wasn't important...

(Heh - this post of mine was post #6950)

The gods are on your side. I predict a gift will be coming down from the heavens today to bestow you with the power to see the (BF3) world in a whole new light...
 
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dfuze

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Just out of curiousity what does everyone use for voice chat in the game? I meet up often with a coworker and to get around the lack of in game chat (miss that about BF2) we use xfire.
 

OptimumSlinky

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Ok, a few tips. First, are you you on 1156 or 1366? If you're on 1156, that means you're running a mixed set of memory sticks, and that was a big no-no for me when I installed crossfire. It actually flat-out didn't work (wouldn't load cleanly into Windows).

Second, BF3 with crossfire uses more than 6GB. Your hitching is caused by your page file being hit. I can promise you that if you simply upgrade to 8GB (which would be easy and cheap if you're on 1156), your problems will disappear. If you're on 1366, it's still not that expensive to go to 12GB.

Running an i7-930, which is Bloomfield/1366. I'll probably end up jumping up to 12GB in the near future, but it just seems like such ridiculous overkill for what I do on that computer.
 

GullyFoyle

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Just out of curiousity what does everyone use for voice chat in the game? I meet up often with a coworker and to get around the lack of in game chat (miss that about BF2) we use xfire.

TS3 (I belong to a group that rents a server), or that Battlelog Party functionality.
 

dfuze

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TS3 (I belong to a group that rents a server), or that Battlelog Party functionality.
??? Really? Battlelog does work as a chat? If I knew that I wouldn't have bothered working on xfire. I think I'll have to look into using the battlelog party function tonight.
 

maniacalpha1-1

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I hear you on squad strategy and playing class roles. That's definitely taken a step back in BF3. Destruction, on the other hand, is an improvement. No more sitting behind a wall taken pot shots at tank gunners.

By the way, I have a feeling you didn't mean quite what you said there.

Not quite. There are plenty of places where destruction does not apply. And that goes double for Back to Karkand and triple for Karkand itself, there are a lot of indestructible buildings. Hell, on Karkand there are a few buildings that can't even be damaged at all.
 

Termie

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Running an i7-930, which is Bloomfield/1366. I'll probably end up jumping up to 12GB in the near future, but it just seems like such ridiculous overkill for what I do on that computer.

Overkill for what you do? Uh, you play BF3 on a crossfire setup, and therefore by definition, more than 6GB is not overkill, it is practically mandatory.
 
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Not quite. There are plenty of places where destruction does not apply. And that goes double for Back to Karkand and triple for Karkand itself, there are a lot of indestructible buildings. Hell, on Karkand there are a few buildings that can't even be damaged at all.
Actually, that's been annoying me too. Unless you've played for a while, you have no idea whats destructible and what isn't.

Been wasting tons of rocket ammo shooting at walls to see if I can blow them down. Even as a tank, I go at a wall, shoot it because I can't go over it, and it turns out its invulnerable.
 

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I have unlocked everything for attack choppers, but cannot see the below radar perk anywhere in customization.
 

Childs

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I love Metro to no end, Damavand Peak, Seine Crossing, and Grand Bazaar

You may not like the B2K maps then, as they are more open and vehicle heavy vs the infantry gun on gun stuff in the maps above. But $15 wont kill ya, and lots of people play the B2K maps.
 

GoStumpy

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Thanks for the BF3 stats link in your sig, didn't know how to check my stats when not at home!

My one stat that I deem impressive:

Headshots / Kill percentage: 39.83%, top 2%, rank 9276
 
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