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maniacalpha1-1

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The problem with snipers was too many of them. Giving them CQC abilities isn't a proper solution, the solution should invove less people using the class.
 

Demo24

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I always felt there were too many medics not too many snipers. Snipers tend to be fairly easy to deal with, but a pack of medics laying down 100-200rounds and reviving themselves as they go was rough.
 

bunnyfubbles

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The problem with snipers was too many of them. Giving them CQC abilities isn't a proper solution, the solution should invove less people using the class.

and the reason for any game having too many snipers is the inherent nature of the position to stay away from danger and the glamorous appeal of delivering death from afar (ie super attractive to the cowards and the KDR whores, which encompasses the vast majority of gamers)

if we truly want to reduce sniper population, nerfing needs to be done to the long range abilities, not close quarters where the player actually has to be close to the action and at far greater risk, albeit far better able to help accomplish team objectives
 

maniacalpha1-1

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and the reason for any game having too many snipers is the inherent nature of the position to stay away from danger and the glamorous appeal of delivering death from afar (ie super attractive to the cowards and the KDR whores, which encompasses the vast majority of gamers)

if we truly want to reduce sniper population, nerfing needs to be done to the long range abilities, not close quarters where the player actually has to be close to the action and at far greater risk, albeit far better able to help accomplish team objectives

Then the question must be asked, why have the class at all if you are going to nerf long range abilities? Are you that gung ho for sniper CQC that you'd sacrifice so much for 1 hit kills? Why not play a class that's actually intended for CQC then?
 

bunnyfubbles

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Then the question must be asked, why have the class at all if you are going to nerf long range abilities? Are you that gung ho for sniper CQC that you'd sacrifice so much for 1 hit kills? Why not play a class that's actually intended for CQC then?

you said it yourself, what is real doesn't always equate to what is fun
 

maevinj

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Think the solution is already present on some servers, class limits.

I really hate class limits. What if the only class left is the class you suck worst at? Then at that point aren't you just hurting your own team?
 

maniacalpha1-1

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I really hate class limits. What if the only class left is the class you suck worst at? Then at that point aren't you just hurting your own team?

I've actually never seen a class limits server but from what I've heard they probably just limit snipers, with no limit on other classes. The only other class that makes sense to limit is Engineer.
 

minmaster

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make sniping require more skill and it will drastically cut down on half the team going sniper. BF2/2142 sniping was much tougher and in turn you didn't have half the team staying back and sniping.

since they are supposedly introducing hold breath for sniping, i'm guessing the scope will constantly sway when not holding breath.
 

maevinj

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I've actually never seen a class limits server but from what I've heard they probably just limit snipers, with no limit on other classes. The only other class that makes sense to limit is Engineer.

I too have only seem sniper limit servers, but I'm waiting for them to limit medics too.
I just keep having flash backs to DoD, where all the "good" classes were limited and the then worst class was unlimited.
 

JTsyo

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I too have only seem sniper limit servers, but I'm waiting for them to limit medics too.
I just keep having flash backs to DoD, where all the "good" classes were limited and the then worst class was unlimited.

One actually had the limit of sniper rifles. So you could still play recon but not equip a rifle. What sucked was that it didn't give you a warning and just killed you.
 

maniacalpha1-1

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I too have only seem sniper limit servers, but I'm waiting for them to limit medics too.
I just keep having flash backs to DoD, where all the "good" classes were limited and the then worst class was unlimited.

Fortunately BF3 seems like it's going to implement some nice revive reform, so medic limits won't be necessary. If anything it's engineers because engineers have their automatic weapons as 99% as good as Assault, so there's no tradeoff for all 32 players spawning AT. Well, that's not quite true, then you'd have no medics. So let's say...24 engineers and 8 medics.

One actually had the limit of sniper rifles. So you could still play recon but not equip a rifle. What sucked was that it didn't give you a warning and just killed you.

LOL, I downloaded the steam Black Ops trial and, time being short, all I could do was just randomly pick servers to play on. Found some servers that kicked you for using the Second Chance perk, only thing is, that perk was on by default and I didn't know how to turn it off lol.
 

Zargon

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I've actually never seen a class limits server but from what I've heard they probably just limit snipers, with no limit on other classes. The only other class that makes sense to limit is Engineer.

yeah, the ones I've played on were 1 recon per squad limits.

its annoying though, on heavy metal, when all your recon slots are full of losers that cant snipe to save their life and you keep getting sniped/mortard trying to cap b

and you cant retaliate
 

maniacalpha1-1

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yeah, the ones I've played on were 1 recon per squad limits.

its annoying though, on heavy metal, when all your recon slots are full of losers that cant snipe to save their life and you keep getting sniped/mortard trying to cap b

and you cant retaliate

I have to say, one thing I hate about Heavy Metal is when you own B and you spawn there, you spawn like on the backside like 40 yards out of B on the way back to your own main. I understand doing that on small maps where if you don't, you'll spawn right into shooting but Heavy Metal is a big map and that bull just causes you to have to run that much farther to get after the next flag.
 

Bill Brasky

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One actually had the limit of sniper rifles. So you could still play recon but not equip a rifle. What sucked was that it didn't give you a warning and just killed you.

I must find this server. Pretty genius idea, I think.
 

maniacalpha1-1

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Yes that sounds like an excellent solution. Because ultimately i just want the sniper class for the ghuillie suite... mmmm saiga and the ghuillie

No ghillie suit in BF3! So we need a new name for camping snipers since wookiee won't technically be correct anymore.
 

Zargon

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I have to say, one thing I hate about Heavy Metal is when you own B and you spawn there, you spawn like on the backside like 40 yards out of B on the way back to your own main. I understand doing that on small maps where if you don't, you'll spawn right into shooting but Heavy Metal is a big map and that bull just causes you to have to run that much farther to get after the next flag.

yup its kinda annoying, especially when it dumps you way back behind the tank and humvee spawn in a field. sniper fodder
 

maevinj

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No ghillie suit in BF3! So we need a new name for camping snipers since wookiee won't technically be correct anymore.

What? When did they annouce that? That's one of my favorite things to do in BC2 is to sit in the bushes and watch people walk by me.
 

Demo24

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What? When did they annouce that? That's one of my favorite things to do in BC2 is to sit in the bushes and watch people walk by me.


I don't think it's been announced, but there was a pic from a magazine scan on the last page or 2 that showed recon in normal clothes. Who knows, perhaps the appearances might change depending on urban or 'rural' maps.
 

maevinj

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I don't think it's been announced, but there was a pic from a magazine scan on the last page or 2 that showed recon in normal clothes. Who knows, perhaps the appearances might change depending on urban or 'rural' maps.

I can handle all of the other changes they are talking about, but no ghillie suit on recon...that's pure insanity
 

minmaster

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some of the playtesters who played at that one event after E3 said the snipers don't have ghillie suits.
 
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